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		By: In Dog I Trust		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-demolition/#comment-78531</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[In Dog I Trust]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2015 04:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-demolition/#comment-78337&quot;&gt;Gary Johnson&lt;/a&gt;.

To Gary Johnson - I loved that &quot;buy this, buy that&quot; post you wrote. It says SO MUCH with such few words. I completely agree with Newcomer&#039;s reply to you. Someone liked it so much they re-posted it in the Underground Bunker that same day. It got 26 likes!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-demolition/#comment-78337">Gary Johnson</a>.</p>
<p>To Gary Johnson &#8211; I loved that &#8220;buy this, buy that&#8221; post you wrote. It says SO MUCH with such few words. I completely agree with Newcomer&#8217;s reply to you. Someone liked it so much they re-posted it in the Underground Bunker that same day. It got 26 likes!</p>
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		By: thetapotata		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-demolition/#comment-78516</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2015 01:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-demolition/#comment-78314&quot;&gt;Steph&lt;/a&gt;.

Man, you said it. More batshit crazy from a faithful lemming.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-demolition/#comment-78314">Steph</a>.</p>
<p>Man, you said it. More batshit crazy from a faithful lemming.</p>
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		By: TJ		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-demolition/#comment-78504</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2015 21:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[hmmm... I commented immediately after reading the original post, without reading other comments first. I&#039;ve now gone back and see that everything I talked about has already been discussed, better and in more detail. So my comments don&#039;t really add anything to the discussion. Feel free to delete my post if you like. *note to self: from now on, read posts first, then comment. lol. :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm&#8230; I commented immediately after reading the original post, without reading other comments first. I&#8217;ve now gone back and see that everything I talked about has already been discussed, better and in more detail. So my comments don&#8217;t really add anything to the discussion. Feel free to delete my post if you like. *note to self: from now on, read posts first, then comment. lol. 🙂</p>
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		By: TJ		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-demolition/#comment-78502</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2015 21:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are so many things wrong with this. Start with the requests for donations from regular members (not church management or reserves) to fund the demolition, (not even the building of a new structure yet) then there will be more money needed to build, to renovate, etc., to fund the mythical hordes that will supposedly be driven in. First, I&#039;d consider it the responsibility of the church to fund the actual demolition and building, not the members. Secondly, I could understand a request to fund some beginning services for new people to get them started - that might indeed bring in more members, but that doesn&#039;t happen. Thirdly, I disagree with the statement that new members need to be serviced in an &quot;ideal org&quot;. From what I hear of he early days when the church was booming, they did Scientology anywhere, old homes and buildings, etc., and people enjoyed it and got benefits. I think the new buildings are too sterile, too officious, too... empty. Where are all the people that were supposed to come into the new ideal orgs built 5, 6 or 10 years ago? Why build more, when the existing ones sit empty? I just don&#039;t buy it. (literally and figuratively).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are so many things wrong with this. Start with the requests for donations from regular members (not church management or reserves) to fund the demolition, (not even the building of a new structure yet) then there will be more money needed to build, to renovate, etc., to fund the mythical hordes that will supposedly be driven in. First, I&#8217;d consider it the responsibility of the church to fund the actual demolition and building, not the members. Secondly, I could understand a request to fund some beginning services for new people to get them started &#8211; that might indeed bring in more members, but that doesn&#8217;t happen. Thirdly, I disagree with the statement that new members need to be serviced in an &#8220;ideal org&#8221;. From what I hear of he early days when the church was booming, they did Scientology anywhere, old homes and buildings, etc., and people enjoyed it and got benefits. I think the new buildings are too sterile, too officious, too&#8230; empty. Where are all the people that were supposed to come into the new ideal orgs built 5, 6 or 10 years ago? Why build more, when the existing ones sit empty? I just don&#8217;t buy it. (literally and figuratively).</p>
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		By: Odd Thomas		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-demolition/#comment-78494</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2015 20:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-demolition/#comment-78407&quot;&gt;Cat Daddy&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey Cat Daddy -- interesting quote!

To be honest, I&#039;m not 100% certain that is a Willie Benitez quote - it may very well be. Something about it doesn&#039;t quite fit, but it may be me ... 

I met Willie back in 1973 at Narconon US. He was a very intense but thoughtful person, who had the appearance of having made it out alive from a place where many people did not. Not just physically but spiritually as well. Narconon started around 1966 in AZ State Prison I believe, where Willie was serving time. He took some LRH books, put some things together and people came. It was that simple. It was about responsibility. It was about being able to communicate one&#039;s thoughts, hear them spoken out loud, understand what they meant and how they may have contributed to your own downfall. Narconon started simple, grew more complicated as the church brought it under its wings and eventually devolved into something base and money motivated.

Truth be told though, back in the early 70s Narconon worked. It was simple enough and honest enough, that the lifeline it offered to those in need, held tight and saved quite a few. I saw it. i was part of it. 

Just saying ...

Odd]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-demolition/#comment-78407">Cat Daddy</a>.</p>
<p>Hey Cat Daddy &#8212; interesting quote!</p>
<p>To be honest, I&#8217;m not 100% certain that is a Willie Benitez quote &#8211; it may very well be. Something about it doesn&#8217;t quite fit, but it may be me &#8230; </p>
<p>I met Willie back in 1973 at Narconon US. He was a very intense but thoughtful person, who had the appearance of having made it out alive from a place where many people did not. Not just physically but spiritually as well. Narconon started around 1966 in AZ State Prison I believe, where Willie was serving time. He took some LRH books, put some things together and people came. It was that simple. It was about responsibility. It was about being able to communicate one&#8217;s thoughts, hear them spoken out loud, understand what they meant and how they may have contributed to your own downfall. Narconon started simple, grew more complicated as the church brought it under its wings and eventually devolved into something base and money motivated.</p>
<p>Truth be told though, back in the early 70s Narconon worked. It was simple enough and honest enough, that the lifeline it offered to those in need, held tight and saved quite a few. I saw it. i was part of it. </p>
<p>Just saying &#8230;</p>
<p>Odd</p>
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		By: Odd Thomas		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2015 19:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-demolition/#comment-78399&quot;&gt;Hallie Jane&lt;/a&gt;.

+1 :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-demolition/#comment-78399">Hallie Jane</a>.</p>
<p>+1 🙂</p>
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		By: Odd Thomas		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-demolition/#comment-78489</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2015 19:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-demolition/#comment-78310&quot;&gt;Dan Locke&lt;/a&gt;.

Valid questions Dan and points to the bowl-of-spaghetti like decision making process that all ideal Org purchases go through.

Reminds me of a time --- (here comes a story)

Back in 1979, San Francisco, &quot;management&quot; (a collection of inexperienced personnel, gathered together, to discuss high-level business practices while possessing absolutely zero expertise on the subject ) decided that the Mason Street building where SF Org had been located for years - just wasn&#039;t good enough. Bright idea - move it to the &quot;tenderloin&quot; area of SF, where it would be quietly nestled among the street missions, abandoned buildings and urine-stained public fountains, where only transients, Haight Ashbury burn-outs and other poor souls congregated, while trying desperately to catch the next train back to Reality.

Management ended up zeroing in on a 75 year old building, built right after the dust settled, post 1906 earthquake. The plumbing didn&#039;t work. The electrical was &#039;shocking,&#039; and the elevator, though quaint, was new when Fatty Arbuckle was still in diapers. 

Keep in mind that the Mason Street building was right off of Geary Street (theater district) where thousands of people walked within 100 feet of the door every hour. It was a hub. It was centrally located. It worked. Which is why management chose to change it. 

I communicated up-lines that this was not the place to move to. That it was off the key traffic areas and in a still dangerous neighborhood. I guess when management compared the McAllister property with a) a burned -out building, b) a third building south of Market next to 24 hour liquor stores and c) a fourth property that I believe was so ill-suited for our purposes (like converting a 100 sq. foot kiosk into a Macys) that even the &#039;brass&#039; at Flag Management were hesitant to pull the trigger, I guess McAllister seemed ideal in comparison. Amazing what gets counted as IDEAL when compared to other items that are so incorrectly included as to render the whole exercise pointless.

Forty years later, forty years of potential learning, seems to have done little to prepare anyone to do a better job. Shame on you guys. Penance - two lifetimes as a sea urchin stuck to the bowels of the HMS Titanic. Start.

Odd]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-demolition/#comment-78310">Dan Locke</a>.</p>
<p>Valid questions Dan and points to the bowl-of-spaghetti like decision making process that all ideal Org purchases go through.</p>
<p>Reminds me of a time &#8212; (here comes a story)</p>
<p>Back in 1979, San Francisco, &#8220;management&#8221; (a collection of inexperienced personnel, gathered together, to discuss high-level business practices while possessing absolutely zero expertise on the subject ) decided that the Mason Street building where SF Org had been located for years &#8211; just wasn&#8217;t good enough. Bright idea &#8211; move it to the &#8220;tenderloin&#8221; area of SF, where it would be quietly nestled among the street missions, abandoned buildings and urine-stained public fountains, where only transients, Haight Ashbury burn-outs and other poor souls congregated, while trying desperately to catch the next train back to Reality.</p>
<p>Management ended up zeroing in on a 75 year old building, built right after the dust settled, post 1906 earthquake. The plumbing didn&#8217;t work. The electrical was &#8216;shocking,&#8217; and the elevator, though quaint, was new when Fatty Arbuckle was still in diapers. </p>
<p>Keep in mind that the Mason Street building was right off of Geary Street (theater district) where thousands of people walked within 100 feet of the door every hour. It was a hub. It was centrally located. It worked. Which is why management chose to change it. </p>
<p>I communicated up-lines that this was not the place to move to. That it was off the key traffic areas and in a still dangerous neighborhood. I guess when management compared the McAllister property with a) a burned -out building, b) a third building south of Market next to 24 hour liquor stores and c) a fourth property that I believe was so ill-suited for our purposes (like converting a 100 sq. foot kiosk into a Macys) that even the &#8216;brass&#8217; at Flag Management were hesitant to pull the trigger, I guess McAllister seemed ideal in comparison. Amazing what gets counted as IDEAL when compared to other items that are so incorrectly included as to render the whole exercise pointless.</p>
<p>Forty years later, forty years of potential learning, seems to have done little to prepare anyone to do a better job. Shame on you guys. Penance &#8211; two lifetimes as a sea urchin stuck to the bowels of the HMS Titanic. Start.</p>
<p>Odd</p>
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		By: rhinomom		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2015 17:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[jesus christ, your are right on; this has to be one of the most absurd comms you have posted from the bubble. What else is there to say?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jesus christ, your are right on; this has to be one of the most absurd comms you have posted from the bubble. What else is there to say?</p>
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		By: Scott Campbell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott Campbell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2015 17:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[These guys are Pikers. No matter what they do, the C of S will never surpass Mike Rinder&#039;s Ideal Org demolition stats - and he didn&#039;t even need to use an excavator, he just tells the truth!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These guys are Pikers. No matter what they do, the C of S will never surpass Mike Rinder&#8217;s Ideal Org demolition stats &#8211; and he didn&#8217;t even need to use an excavator, he just tells the truth!</p>
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		By: Joe Pendleton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Pendleton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2015 08:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Demolishing in this case just means replacing the bathrooms with ones that don&#039;t need toilet paper. (No toilet paper and central files projects ... some things in Scientology NEVER change.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Demolishing in this case just means replacing the bathrooms with ones that don&#8217;t need toilet paper. (No toilet paper and central files projects &#8230; some things in Scientology NEVER change.)</p>
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