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		By: cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2015 19:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-disaster/#comment-85762&quot;&gt;Old Surfer Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

HI Old Surfer Dude, Indeed he is the one and only diminutive one, he of the small head and other small body parts, he the &quot;let him die&quot; Miscavige, none other than.

Can&#039;t wait to party at your place when the house of cards crumbles.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-disaster/#comment-85762">Old Surfer Dude</a>.</p>
<p>HI Old Surfer Dude, Indeed he is the one and only diminutive one, he of the small head and other small body parts, he the &#8220;let him die&#8221; Miscavige, none other than.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t wait to party at your place when the house of cards crumbles.</p>
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		By: cindy		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-disaster/#comment-85830</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cindy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2015 17:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-disaster/#comment-85726&quot;&gt;Pepper&lt;/a&gt;.

Well said Pepper.   They have to have a game or the game will be getting you.  And he made the game of accumulating real estate that is then his own personal asset to cash in anytime he needs cash.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-disaster/#comment-85726">Pepper</a>.</p>
<p>Well said Pepper.   They have to have a game or the game will be getting you.  And he made the game of accumulating real estate that is then his own personal asset to cash in anytime he needs cash.</p>
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		By: Roger Hornaday		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-disaster/#comment-85792</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2015 14:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-disaster/#comment-85780&quot;&gt;Chuck Beatty&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Enlightenment&quot; or &quot;moksha&quot;, &quot;nirvana&quot;, &quot;satori&quot; etc. are terms that refer to the same liberating realization that has set people free from suffering since time immemorial. Hubbard&#039;s &quot;OT&quot; is another creature entirely and resembles the legendary &quot;siddi&quot; powers of advanced yogis. Such powers have never been demonstrated as anything but clever magic acts. Nobody has ever demonstrated that &quot;postulates&quot; make things happen without the muscle of physical action involved. Hubbard left God out of his cosmology and was therefore forced to ascribe creatorship to individual entities. This means the entities had to have the ability at one time to pull it off. There is no evidence that we possess even a remnant of such ability. But individual entities don&#039;t need such power in a cosmology that employs the creator-God concept. Even science employs the creator-God concept. They do it unwittingly of course as they search for the unified theory.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-disaster/#comment-85780">Chuck Beatty</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Enlightenment&#8221; or &#8220;moksha&#8221;, &#8220;nirvana&#8221;, &#8220;satori&#8221; etc. are terms that refer to the same liberating realization that has set people free from suffering since time immemorial. Hubbard&#8217;s &#8220;OT&#8221; is another creature entirely and resembles the legendary &#8220;siddi&#8221; powers of advanced yogis. Such powers have never been demonstrated as anything but clever magic acts. Nobody has ever demonstrated that &#8220;postulates&#8221; make things happen without the muscle of physical action involved. Hubbard left God out of his cosmology and was therefore forced to ascribe creatorship to individual entities. This means the entities had to have the ability at one time to pull it off. There is no evidence that we possess even a remnant of such ability. But individual entities don&#8217;t need such power in a cosmology that employs the creator-God concept. Even science employs the creator-God concept. They do it unwittingly of course as they search for the unified theory.</p>
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		By: Gary		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-disaster/#comment-85782</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-disaster/#comment-85698&quot;&gt;1984&lt;/a&gt;.

Whyb1984? Because he told the truth about l. Ron Hubard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-disaster/#comment-85698">1984</a>.</p>
<p>Whyb1984? Because he told the truth about l. Ron Hubard.</p>
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		By: RolandRB		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-disaster/#comment-85758&quot;&gt;J. Swift&lt;/a&gt;.

The Church of Scientology would love it if they could spend their money to help the poor, but they are not allowed to do this due to their doctrine of &quot;exchange&quot; and their doctrine that there are &quot;degraded beings&quot; who pull in their own calamitous situations through their own &quot;overts&quot;. Scientology is a religion that rewards the &quot;up-stats&quot; and makes the able more able.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-disaster/#comment-85758">J. Swift</a>.</p>
<p>The Church of Scientology would love it if they could spend their money to help the poor, but they are not allowed to do this due to their doctrine of &#8220;exchange&#8221; and their doctrine that there are &#8220;degraded beings&#8221; who pull in their own calamitous situations through their own &#8220;overts&#8221;. Scientology is a religion that rewards the &#8220;up-stats&#8221; and makes the able more able.</p>
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		By: Chuck Beatty		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2015 11:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a bitter pill to finally realize that Scientology&#039;s Bridge to Total Freedom, the whole shebang, is not and never has produced &quot;Full OT&quot; people.

Despite all of the side reasons and criticisms why &quot;Full OT&quot; people were not made, there still are NO &quot;Full OT&quot; people.

The bigger picture is no other group in human history ever produced &quot;Full OT&quot; people (nor will they ever either).

Scientology&#039;s just selling the same big fantasy hope.

The only EP you get in the end, should be, the &quot;Eat Crow&quot; ability.

Realize it&#039;s all fantasy, and humbly learn to display honorable/humorous &quot;Eat Crow&quot; ability.   

The day I first read Hubbard&#039;s &quot;One Was Stubborn&quot; sci fi story, I almost had a mental meltdown, and I should have quit on the spot.   That fiction story did more than Scientology had ever done, and it was so clearly fiction, but the reality of Scientology will never match that fiction.   

All the Ideal Orgs in the world don&#039;t lead to making &quot;Full OT&quot; people, it just makes a group of well wishing and well intending people at best, but it can&#039;t even do that due to all the bad other parts of Scientology.  

Quit Fast.   Eat Crow humbly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a bitter pill to finally realize that Scientology&#8217;s Bridge to Total Freedom, the whole shebang, is not and never has produced &#8220;Full OT&#8221; people.</p>
<p>Despite all of the side reasons and criticisms why &#8220;Full OT&#8221; people were not made, there still are NO &#8220;Full OT&#8221; people.</p>
<p>The bigger picture is no other group in human history ever produced &#8220;Full OT&#8221; people (nor will they ever either).</p>
<p>Scientology&#8217;s just selling the same big fantasy hope.</p>
<p>The only EP you get in the end, should be, the &#8220;Eat Crow&#8221; ability.</p>
<p>Realize it&#8217;s all fantasy, and humbly learn to display honorable/humorous &#8220;Eat Crow&#8221; ability.   </p>
<p>The day I first read Hubbard&#8217;s &#8220;One Was Stubborn&#8221; sci fi story, I almost had a mental meltdown, and I should have quit on the spot.   That fiction story did more than Scientology had ever done, and it was so clearly fiction, but the reality of Scientology will never match that fiction.   </p>
<p>All the Ideal Orgs in the world don&#8217;t lead to making &#8220;Full OT&#8221; people, it just makes a group of well wishing and well intending people at best, but it can&#8217;t even do that due to all the bad other parts of Scientology.  </p>
<p>Quit Fast.   Eat Crow humbly.</p>
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		By: Roger Hornaday		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2015 10:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-disaster/#comment-85764&quot;&gt;JennyAtLAX&lt;/a&gt;.

LOL! &quot;I&#039;m an anti-scientologist leave me alone!&quot;  LOL!   No point in getting into some kind of games condition is there?  May as well get straight to the point!  Interesting how the truth provides its own tone 40.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-disaster/#comment-85764">JennyAtLAX</a>.</p>
<p>LOL! &#8220;I&#8217;m an anti-scientologist leave me alone!&#8221;  LOL!   No point in getting into some kind of games condition is there?  May as well get straight to the point!  Interesting how the truth provides its own tone 40.</p>
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		By: Roger From Switzerland Thought		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-disaster/#comment-85778</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger From Switzerland Thought]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2015 06:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-disaster/#comment-85720&quot;&gt;zemooo&lt;/a&gt;.

Basel Org will open on 25 April but I&#039;m 100% certain,there will be no DM there, as they didn&#039;t get the permission to use the streets by the front entrance. 
Basel would never aloud their beloved green tramways to not circulate, So they can use the street near the backyard. DM in the Backyard ? No way ! :)

Also there will be a protest by the locals from 13:00 to 18:00 just over the street by the front entrance. They&#039;ll have 3 megaphones and will be making lots of noise for 5 minutes each hour. And perhaps there will be some other surprises !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-disaster/#comment-85720">zemooo</a>.</p>
<p>Basel Org will open on 25 April but I&#8217;m 100% certain,there will be no DM there, as they didn&#8217;t get the permission to use the streets by the front entrance.<br />
Basel would never aloud their beloved green tramways to not circulate, So they can use the street near the backyard. DM in the Backyard ? No way ! 🙂</p>
<p>Also there will be a protest by the locals from 13:00 to 18:00 just over the street by the front entrance. They&#8217;ll have 3 megaphones and will be making lots of noise for 5 minutes each hour. And perhaps there will be some other surprises !</p>
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		By: Cece		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-disaster/#comment-85777</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cece]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2015 04:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What the heck are these guys having to pay for Planning and Construction documents?  I once say designs paid for something like 20,000 that all went to the Landlords office where it&#039;s all done in-house.

And do they realize that when the building is in-use they have to pay rent to BIC?  AOLAs was around 3500 a week and yes, AOLA paid in full it&#039;s share of the Complex.  I forget what BIC means Building Investment Committee?   

I would hate like hell to have to travel thru the churches finances and track it all like the IRS should do.  I was told that with the IRS win in 93 that there would be regular inspections done by a CPA firm.  I was the FBO AOLA at the time.

Crazy that the persons being duped out of their money, taking out loans do not demand to see the budget and know what the millions are for prior to paying.  It is also crazy that the church encourages loans when it is strictly forbidden in HCOPLs concerning finance policies.  In the very first page of one of the Admin volumes there is a short PL that the Policies for the orgs also apply to individuals.  

All this uncovered will likely go down as the Greatest Con in History - good going LRH and DM and all your blinded followers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the heck are these guys having to pay for Planning and Construction documents?  I once say designs paid for something like 20,000 that all went to the Landlords office where it&#8217;s all done in-house.</p>
<p>And do they realize that when the building is in-use they have to pay rent to BIC?  AOLAs was around 3500 a week and yes, AOLA paid in full it&#8217;s share of the Complex.  I forget what BIC means Building Investment Committee?   </p>
<p>I would hate like hell to have to travel thru the churches finances and track it all like the IRS should do.  I was told that with the IRS win in 93 that there would be regular inspections done by a CPA firm.  I was the FBO AOLA at the time.</p>
<p>Crazy that the persons being duped out of their money, taking out loans do not demand to see the budget and know what the millions are for prior to paying.  It is also crazy that the church encourages loans when it is strictly forbidden in HCOPLs concerning finance policies.  In the very first page of one of the Admin volumes there is a short PL that the Policies for the orgs also apply to individuals.  </p>
<p>All this uncovered will likely go down as the Greatest Con in History &#8211; good going LRH and DM and all your blinded followers.</p>
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		By: Cece		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2015 04:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cindy,  I was wondering where the money comes from to assist another org.  Would it not come from donations for other projects?  The orgs them selves don&#039;t pay into the IAS that I ever knew off.  The IAS usually reges for a specific purpose.  Ha, maybe it comes from the extra for the Garcia&#039;s extra cross and Superpower funds.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cindy,  I was wondering where the money comes from to assist another org.  Would it not come from donations for other projects?  The orgs them selves don&#8217;t pay into the IAS that I ever knew off.  The IAS usually reges for a specific purpose.  Ha, maybe it comes from the extra for the Garcia&#8217;s extra cross and Superpower funds.</p>
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