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		By: bixntram		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2017 12:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-fail-chapter-327/#comment-177482&quot;&gt;Call Me Snake&lt;/a&gt;.

Some urban blight as everywhere else, I suppose; moribund downtown, crime, corruption, etc.  There are some nice areas and upscale pockets, though and there&#039;s Yale, of course.  Last but not least: great Italian food!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-fail-chapter-327/#comment-177482">Call Me Snake</a>.</p>
<p>Some urban blight as everywhere else, I suppose; moribund downtown, crime, corruption, etc.  There are some nice areas and upscale pockets, though and there&#8217;s Yale, of course.  Last but not least: great Italian food!</p>
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		By: bixntram		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2017 12:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-fail-chapter-327/#comment-177505&quot;&gt;Societalbane&lt;/a&gt;.

More thanks, Societalbane, for further info on $cion in New Haven.  No evidence of the plague up here in VT (knock on wood).  There may be a few snowbirds with summer homes, but if so, they&#039;re silent.  I invited Cathy Schenkelberg to come put on &quot;Squeeze My Cans&quot; locally (in Brattleboro), found a very receptive small theatre owner.  It&#039;s too far out of the way for her, but who knows?  Maybe some day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-fail-chapter-327/#comment-177505">Societalbane</a>.</p>
<p>More thanks, Societalbane, for further info on $cion in New Haven.  No evidence of the plague up here in VT (knock on wood).  There may be a few snowbirds with summer homes, but if so, they&#8217;re silent.  I invited Cathy Schenkelberg to come put on &#8220;Squeeze My Cans&#8221; locally (in Brattleboro), found a very receptive small theatre owner.  It&#8217;s too far out of the way for her, but who knows?  Maybe some day.</p>
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		By: bixntram		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2017 11:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-fail-chapter-327/#comment-177613&quot;&gt;Cecybeans&lt;/a&gt;.

(other than some fellow sci-fi writers) I&#039;ve found no indication and LRH had any degreee of respect for ANYONE.  He didn&#039;t respect his fellow SF writers; he played them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-fail-chapter-327/#comment-177613">Cecybeans</a>.</p>
<p>(other than some fellow sci-fi writers) I&#8217;ve found no indication and LRH had any degreee of respect for ANYONE.  He didn&#8217;t respect his fellow SF writers; he played them.</p>
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		By: Gene Trujillo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2017 17:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-fail-chapter-327/#comment-177424&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Essentially the Class V org staff work on a commission basis, as I see it. Nothing wrong with that.&quot; 

There is the blindingly obvious wrong thing that it has never lead to the staff making anything close to a living wage.

I consider it to be like a MLM scam. As long as you build a large &quot;downlines&quot; and they kept selling, even a little, it all adds up. The person at the top gets a fortune. Sure is nice for them, if they can stomach it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-fail-chapter-327/#comment-177424">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Essentially the Class V org staff work on a commission basis, as I see it. Nothing wrong with that.&#8221; </p>
<p>There is the blindingly obvious wrong thing that it has never lead to the staff making anything close to a living wage.</p>
<p>I consider it to be like a MLM scam. As long as you build a large &#8220;downlines&#8221; and they kept selling, even a little, it all adds up. The person at the top gets a fortune. Sure is nice for them, if they can stomach it.</p>
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		By: Gene Trujillo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2017 17:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-fail-chapter-327/#comment-177494&quot;&gt;My 2 Cents&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, some of the missions at least had consistent pay for a while. They had a lot more freedom with their money - and everything else - than the orgs. 

I am told that Hamburg org also paid consistently for a while in its heyday under Weibke Hansen because she made a point of making sure that they were. I also heard that was part of what lead to her removal - it was &quot;squirrel&quot; to take care of her staff. 

They prefer the remorseless human trafficking types, like my own ED, to anyone &quot;worker oriented&quot; enough to think that the staff should be rewarded for their efforts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-fail-chapter-327/#comment-177494">My 2 Cents</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, some of the missions at least had consistent pay for a while. They had a lot more freedom with their money &#8211; and everything else &#8211; than the orgs. </p>
<p>I am told that Hamburg org also paid consistently for a while in its heyday under Weibke Hansen because she made a point of making sure that they were. I also heard that was part of what lead to her removal &#8211; it was &#8220;squirrel&#8221; to take care of her staff. </p>
<p>They prefer the remorseless human trafficking types, like my own ED, to anyone &#8220;worker oriented&#8221; enough to think that the staff should be rewarded for their efforts.</p>
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		By: I Yawnalot		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2017 11:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-fail-chapter-327/#comment-177523&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

I consider your feelings more important than any fact Hubbard ever come up with. Live a little, love a lot and smile more than frowning and life takes on a wonderful perspective. Actionable peace - the best of all the pursuits available to us humanoids.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-fail-chapter-327/#comment-177523">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>I consider your feelings more important than any fact Hubbard ever come up with. Live a little, love a lot and smile more than frowning and life takes on a wonderful perspective. Actionable peace &#8211; the best of all the pursuits available to us humanoids.</p>
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		By: I Yawnalot		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2017 11:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-fail-chapter-327/#comment-177607&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

We tried to do the right thing...
Your words are appreciated... but we were both fooled! Live a little and have some fun are more than sufficient. That&#039;s more than enough amends.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-fail-chapter-327/#comment-177607">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>We tried to do the right thing&#8230;<br />
Your words are appreciated&#8230; but we were both fooled! Live a little and have some fun are more than sufficient. That&#8217;s more than enough amends.</p>
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		By: Spike		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2017 11:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-fail-chapter-327/#comment-177655&quot;&gt;My 2 Cents&lt;/a&gt;.

I think I made something like $20 per week at my org in the early 70s.  Had to supplement by working a temp job on my day off (Saturday&#039;s).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-fail-chapter-327/#comment-177655">My 2 Cents</a>.</p>
<p>I think I made something like $20 per week at my org in the early 70s.  Had to supplement by working a temp job on my day off (Saturday&#8217;s).</p>
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		By: My 2 Cents		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2017 03:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-fail-chapter-327/#comment-177517&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

No,no.  I made a little over 200/mo in the late 60&#039;s, which would be about 1500/mo today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-fail-chapter-327/#comment-177517">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>No,no.  I made a little over 200/mo in the late 60&#8217;s, which would be about 1500/mo today.</p>
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		By: Kiki		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2017 01:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I live and have grown up in the town next to Battle Creek. First, not to besmirch the fair citizenry of that city, but the economy has taken a huge hit there since Kellogg&#039;s made drastic job cuts several years ago, and the town is kind of a wasteland. I have a hard time imagining there is a lot of money to get from anywhere in Battle Creek to do anything to help that org. Second, the Seventh Day Adventists (sort of how Kellogg&#039;s Corn Flakes came into existence as part of a treatment at the &quot;Battle Creek Sanitarium&quot;) still have the market cornered there on extreme religious ideology. They are only very closely followed up by the very large Dutch Reformed community that exists in west Michigan (people in these parts call the political leaders of Grand Rapids the &quot;Dutch Mafia&quot; for instance). There is a town on the lakeshore named Holland that has an internationally renowned tulip festival every year complete with a parade of dancers in wooden shoes and the governor comes dressed in traditional Dutch attire to lead the &quot;sweeping of the streets.&quot; Church attendance is very high in this area and many people still actually speak some amount of Dutch. 

The only time I&#039;ve ever heard of Scientology activity in the area is several years ago when someone told me about how they were court ordered to a narconon facility (that has since been force closed by the state). They did not have good things to say. There are several Scientology affiliated drug rehab facilities in Michigan, including a &quot;detox&quot; facility in Battle Creek, a &quot;rehab&quot; in Adrian, and a &quot;rehab&quot; in Manistee. I know that there are court complaints of Nation of Islam members being used as security at the &quot;rehab&quot; facility in Manistee and providing substances to the patients there. 

I think the Battle Creek org is likely an empty shell at this point. They are probably paying for heat in the winter to keep the pipes from freezing. I very much doubt anyone is actually there. I&#039;ve been meaning to drive by however to see if the lights are on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live and have grown up in the town next to Battle Creek. First, not to besmirch the fair citizenry of that city, but the economy has taken a huge hit there since Kellogg&#8217;s made drastic job cuts several years ago, and the town is kind of a wasteland. I have a hard time imagining there is a lot of money to get from anywhere in Battle Creek to do anything to help that org. Second, the Seventh Day Adventists (sort of how Kellogg&#8217;s Corn Flakes came into existence as part of a treatment at the &#8220;Battle Creek Sanitarium&#8221;) still have the market cornered there on extreme religious ideology. They are only very closely followed up by the very large Dutch Reformed community that exists in west Michigan (people in these parts call the political leaders of Grand Rapids the &#8220;Dutch Mafia&#8221; for instance). There is a town on the lakeshore named Holland that has an internationally renowned tulip festival every year complete with a parade of dancers in wooden shoes and the governor comes dressed in traditional Dutch attire to lead the &#8220;sweeping of the streets.&#8221; Church attendance is very high in this area and many people still actually speak some amount of Dutch. </p>
<p>The only time I&#8217;ve ever heard of Scientology activity in the area is several years ago when someone told me about how they were court ordered to a narconon facility (that has since been force closed by the state). They did not have good things to say. There are several Scientology affiliated drug rehab facilities in Michigan, including a &#8220;detox&#8221; facility in Battle Creek, a &#8220;rehab&#8221; in Adrian, and a &#8220;rehab&#8221; in Manistee. I know that there are court complaints of Nation of Islam members being used as security at the &#8220;rehab&#8221; facility in Manistee and providing substances to the patients there. </p>
<p>I think the Battle Creek org is likely an empty shell at this point. They are probably paying for heat in the winter to keep the pipes from freezing. I very much doubt anyone is actually there. I&#8217;ve been meaning to drive by however to see if the lights are on.</p>
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