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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-good-news/#comment-385956&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

Another way to look at it as that anyone who has a belief in or is agnostic about reincarnation, past lives or an afterlife can gloss over the most fantastical claims in a religion or put them in the category of an allegory or parable and so on.

BTW, in a previous lifetime I was the Piltdown Man. Aaarrrgh]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-good-news/#comment-385956">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>Another way to look at it as that anyone who has a belief in or is agnostic about reincarnation, past lives or an afterlife can gloss over the most fantastical claims in a religion or put them in the category of an allegory or parable and so on.</p>
<p>BTW, in a previous lifetime I was the Piltdown Man. Aaarrrgh</p>
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		By: Rip Van Winkle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2021 12:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-good-news/#comment-385848&quot;&gt;I Yawnalot&lt;/a&gt;.

the data series is vicious

it goes deep.  hard to banish.


I&#039;ll get there.

(I swear, &quot;learned, drilled, and used under extreme duress over time&quot;  really plays a role in how long various bits take to dig out.  )]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-good-news/#comment-385848">I Yawnalot</a>.</p>
<p>the data series is vicious</p>
<p>it goes deep.  hard to banish.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll get there.</p>
<p>(I swear, &#8220;learned, drilled, and used under extreme duress over time&#8221;  really plays a role in how long various bits take to dig out.  )</p>
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		By: mwesten		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-good-news/#comment-385990</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2021 23:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-good-news/#comment-385817&quot;&gt;Cat W.&lt;/a&gt;.

The idea/imagery is more meaningful than its nickname. There have been a handful of archaic human discoveries since HOM that enable scientologists to make it work if they need to. 

Or they can dismiss it as an implant, per Errors in Time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-good-news/#comment-385817">Cat W.</a>.</p>
<p>The idea/imagery is more meaningful than its nickname. There have been a handful of archaic human discoveries since HOM that enable scientologists to make it work if they need to. </p>
<p>Or they can dismiss it as an implant, per Errors in Time.</p>
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		By: Skyler23		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2021 21:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-good-news/#comment-385935&quot;&gt;Peggy L&lt;/a&gt;.

Hello Peggy.

In this scam - as well as most all the others - there is never any such thing as &quot;giving money back&quot;.

Heh. Heh.  Heh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-good-news/#comment-385935">Peggy L</a>.</p>
<p>Hello Peggy.</p>
<p>In this scam &#8211; as well as most all the others &#8211; there is never any such thing as &#8220;giving money back&#8221;.</p>
<p>Heh. Heh.  Heh.</p>
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		By: Skyler23		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2021 21:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-good-news/#comment-385831&quot;&gt;Scooter&lt;/a&gt;.

He seems to have the same kind of look as that creepy fellow who is in several movies and videos following people around. Damn! I can&#039;t remember his name. But he seems to be in charge of writing pieces that appear in that stupid Freedumb Magazine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-good-news/#comment-385831">Scooter</a>.</p>
<p>He seems to have the same kind of look as that creepy fellow who is in several movies and videos following people around. Damn! I can&#8217;t remember his name. But he seems to be in charge of writing pieces that appear in that stupid Freedumb Magazine.</p>
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		By: unelectedfloofgoofer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2021 20:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-good-news/#comment-385854&quot;&gt;George M White&lt;/a&gt;.

I thought the people in Ireland were among the palest on Earth due to the heavy overcast.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-good-news/#comment-385854">George M White</a>.</p>
<p>I thought the people in Ireland were among the palest on Earth due to the heavy overcast.</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-good-news/#comment-385959</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2021 19:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-good-news/#comment-385848&quot;&gt;I Yawnalot&lt;/a&gt;.

Apparently they are now selling Hubbard&#039;s early 1950&#039;s lectures when he was possibly at the height of his &quot;creative imagination&quot;.

 &quot;Tripping Around The Universe&quot; by L. Ron Hubbard, All Rights Reserved]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-good-news/#comment-385848">I Yawnalot</a>.</p>
<p>Apparently they are now selling Hubbard&#8217;s early 1950&#8217;s lectures when he was possibly at the height of his &#8220;creative imagination&#8221;.</p>
<p> &#8220;Tripping Around The Universe&#8221; by L. Ron Hubbard, All Rights Reserved</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2021 18:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-good-news/#comment-385916&quot;&gt;Ms. B. Haven&lt;/a&gt;.

Ms. B, FP provided an interesting example of the true believers&#039; ability to rationalize away - or ignore - pretty much anything.  If I recall they also often just sidestepped difficult questions with a sweeping sort of arrogant &quot;you wouldn&#039;t understand&quot; type response, so specific responses weren&#039;t always even that illustrative of apologism.

I can&#039;t recall the specific response to Piltdown Man, but one typical tack of apologism is to make the argument that something is symbolic rather than specific, or that the authority or prophet is just choosing to speak in terms that the audience can relate to or understand.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-good-news/#comment-385916">Ms. B. Haven</a>.</p>
<p>Ms. B, FP provided an interesting example of the true believers&#8217; ability to rationalize away &#8211; or ignore &#8211; pretty much anything.  If I recall they also often just sidestepped difficult questions with a sweeping sort of arrogant &#8220;you wouldn&#8217;t understand&#8221; type response, so specific responses weren&#8217;t always even that illustrative of apologism.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t recall the specific response to Piltdown Man, but one typical tack of apologism is to make the argument that something is symbolic rather than specific, or that the authority or prophet is just choosing to speak in terms that the audience can relate to or understand.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2021 18:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-good-news/#comment-385854&quot;&gt;George M White&lt;/a&gt;.

George, it&#039;s not Snopes&#039; job to deeply research delusions.  As with many such things, at this point in the advancement of science the absence of evidence is effectively evidence of absence - if there had been a pigmy population of Ireland, archeaologists would for instance have found skeletons and artifacts by now (essentially the same problem, as noted, with the old legend about snakes), there would also be DNA traces in the current population, and so on.

The more relevant principle, is that the burden is on those making extraordinary claims, to provide the extraordinary evidence to back them up.  In the absence of such, the legitimate presumption is that they are false.  As you may have noticed in the current environment, crackpots can think up baseless claims (the Irish pigmy one appears relatively recent) almost faster than properly rigorous researchers can exhaustively refute them; it&#039;s a whack-a-mole game that shouldn&#039;t be ceded to the sloppily delusional.

The same goes for things like bigfoot.  Legends like Lemuria and Atlantis are certainly not true as claimed by fabulists, but quite possibly do have roots in more mundane historical and geographical events, such as when the Black Sea was created by some sort of flooding around 8-7,000 BC (quite likely also the root of the Noah&#039;s Ark myth) burying early settlements whose remains have been found by underwater archeologists; see, for example:

Black Sea deluge hypothesis
&#062; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis

6,000-YEAR-OLD SUBMERGED PREHISTORIC SETTLEMENT REVEALS BLACK SEA LEVEL WAS 5 METERS LOWER 5,000 YEARS AGO
&#062;http://archaeologyinbulgaria.com/2020/11/10/6000-year-old-submerged-prehistoric-settlement-reveals-black-sea-level-was-5-meters-lower-5000-years-ago/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-good-news/#comment-385854">George M White</a>.</p>
<p>George, it&#8217;s not Snopes&#8217; job to deeply research delusions.  As with many such things, at this point in the advancement of science the absence of evidence is effectively evidence of absence &#8211; if there had been a pigmy population of Ireland, archeaologists would for instance have found skeletons and artifacts by now (essentially the same problem, as noted, with the old legend about snakes), there would also be DNA traces in the current population, and so on.</p>
<p>The more relevant principle, is that the burden is on those making extraordinary claims, to provide the extraordinary evidence to back them up.  In the absence of such, the legitimate presumption is that they are false.  As you may have noticed in the current environment, crackpots can think up baseless claims (the Irish pigmy one appears relatively recent) almost faster than properly rigorous researchers can exhaustively refute them; it&#8217;s a whack-a-mole game that shouldn&#8217;t be ceded to the sloppily delusional.</p>
<p>The same goes for things like bigfoot.  Legends like Lemuria and Atlantis are certainly not true as claimed by fabulists, but quite possibly do have roots in more mundane historical and geographical events, such as when the Black Sea was created by some sort of flooding around 8-7,000 BC (quite likely also the root of the Noah&#8217;s Ark myth) burying early settlements whose remains have been found by underwater archeologists; see, for example:</p>
<p>Black Sea deluge hypothesis<br />
&gt; <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis</a></p>
<p>6,000-YEAR-OLD SUBMERGED PREHISTORIC SETTLEMENT REVEALS BLACK SEA LEVEL WAS 5 METERS LOWER 5,000 YEARS AGO<br />
&gt;<a href="http://archaeologyinbulgaria.com/2020/11/10/6000-year-old-submerged-prehistoric-settlement-reveals-black-sea-level-was-5-meters-lower-5000-years-ago/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://archaeologyinbulgaria.com/2020/11/10/6000-year-old-submerged-prehistoric-settlement-reveals-black-sea-level-was-5-meters-lower-5000-years-ago/</a></p>
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		By: Skyler23		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skyler23]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2021 17:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-good-news/#comment-385922&quot;&gt;Rip Van Winkle&lt;/a&gt;.

Hello Rip. I can certainly understand that. In the time before the TWERP, everything must have been better. Hard to imagine how anything could be worse with him around.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-org-good-news/#comment-385922">Rip Van Winkle</a>.</p>
<p>Hello Rip. I can certainly understand that. In the time before the TWERP, everything must have been better. Hard to imagine how anything could be worse with him around.</p>
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