Hey Jenny,

Yes. I wasn’t ever in a position to give like you did but I would see my friends do it all the time and I would tell them, “Stop doing that! You’ve given enough. You don’t even have your OT levels paid for! Pay for them first and THEN give.”

Some would listen, some wouldn’t.

But I wanted to say, to support you in your rightness about realizing it was all hooey, I remember listening to the Havingness lecture in the PDCs a long time ago. I don’t have the transcripts here so I can’t quote it but, what I was astonished to find was LRH saying something of the essence of, “If you win a lottery, don’t take the money! And credit, credit is good to have for business, etc., but no matter how tempted you are to use it, don’t! This messes with your havingness. If you haven’t earned it, don’t spend it.”

When I heard that, I thought, “Well, that will get you in deep doo doo with the reges!” But I would tell my public friends about it so they at least have that in their arsenal. If anyone has those transcripts (and they haven’t been changed – LOL), that would be helpful to know the exact quote.

Besides. Listen to what Ron said about buildings getting important. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdLXcE9R4Gs

From LRH lecture 31 Dec ’60 – The Genus of Dianetics and Scientology (Anatomy of the Human Mind Congress lectures.)

Transcript:
“We own a tremendous amount of property. We have a tremendous amount of material and so forth, and it keeps growing. But that’s not important. When buildings get important to us, for God sakes, some of you born revolutionists will you please blow up central headquarters. If somebody had put some HE under the Vatican long ago, Catholicism might still be going. Don’t get interested in real estate. Don’t get interested in the masses of buildings, because that’s not important. What is important is how much service you can give the world, and how much you can get done and how much better you can make things. These are important things, these are all that are important. A bank account never measured the worth of a man. His ability to help measured his worth, and that’s all.”

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Thank you, YouTuber, John Christen.

Didn’t I recently hear that that new San Diego building was sold? That would be very interesting if they sold the building they bought, kept the money and then wanted to reg that public AGAIN for a new building.

Anybody have any confirmation on the sale?

Hey Joe,

“Thank you for telling me that.” 😉

Really I got the sarcasm in your original post.

But you know as the Ol’man used to say:

“A cleared cannibal is a cleared cannibal.”

Much like I guess a cleared moron is a cleared moron which pretty much describes these “OT Committees” cleared or OT morons which could be directly due to all the robo-“auditing” going on in the Church these days or the fact that many of them are “Bypassed Cases” and are completely ignorant of Scientology basics. Having never done an actual Auditor training course of any kind other then Solo.

(Anyone who thinks that doing Solo makes one a trained auditor probably thinks that masturbation is sex making the management that suggested such a thing by revising as in altering the HCOB “Training and OT “were just a bunch of Jerk Offs.)

Then of course there is personal responsibility as you suggested Joe which many of these “OT’s” have very little of since they even turn their thinking over to management and wait with bated breath for management to tell ’em what to do next.

Something that’s called “Robotism”.

That ain’t what an OT Committee is supposed to be according to the policies which they’ve probably never read. You know being too busy getting statusfied and kissin’ management’s ass and all that.

Which really doesn’t matter since they aren’t making any real OTs over there anyway any more so they have no ability to exteriorize out of the bubble they exist in.

Make that 3rd rate “5th Invader Arachnid like Miscavige” 🙂

Good for you KRCJenny – you are a survivor and, I strongly suspect, a person with her heart in the right place. You are a “for real” person who escaped an unreal environment – no wonder it wasn’t working out for you. Well done for sure.

JC – Yes, I wept on a first read of Jeff Hawkins book, and smiled my way through the second reading because I knew the end. I can just imagine him early on in his first job after leaving, being delicately asked if he could work late til 8pm and him agreeing with a smile. And then getting two whole days off between Friday and Monday. Wow. Really got a smile out of me to read that.

I have started from nothing – twice. I was lucky to have family, but I know what it is like to have nothing, and it was a valuable lesson. Liberates one from an attachment to MEST -teaches a little compassion, makes one more productive – and grateful indeed when it is going well.

That said it is still a heartache to see ZAR10 million (about USD1 million) go into the pockets of property developers and the RCS who came in like a wrecking ball and smashed it to nothing. In THIS country, with the problems we have – illiteracy, poverty and depravity its a sickening waste. In the last few months, there have been about a dozen rapes/murders/mutilation of children aged anywhere between 2 and 16 years old. Two of them aged 2 and 3 years old respectively, their bodies dumped in an outside toilet. The whole country is angry about all this. Something can be done about it, and I had high hopes for the CofS making a positive difference. I was wrong. Dead wrong.

Something good will come from this mess. It will make us stronger and “savvier”.

LOL!

Oh please Aquamarine.

Your faith in the outside world is so touching.

But the fact is that scams are perpetrated out here all the time and all kinds of people fall for them.

Not just Churchies.

For example the idea that we need to spend more than all countries combined on National “Defense” and “Security” .

Or that So Damn Insane was behind 9/11 or that he had weapons of mass destruction that got us involved in a costly war.

Last time I checked over 50% of the American public fell for that scam which cost us Trillions making this whole “Ideal Org” scam chump change.

What about the S&L,BCCI and the more recent Banking scandal which was caused to large degree by a bunch of people who were scammed into believing that they could afford a half a million dollar home while working minimum wage.

Also there are other cults that demand more out of their followers than just money.

So far I haven’t seen a Scientologist inside or outside the Church slappin’ on a vest loaded with C-4 or inject Sarin Gas on unsuspecting subway passengers and claim they’re doing it for Ron or Mr. Miscavige or Jane or Mo or whoever.

And what’s this mythical “they”?

Nuttin’ but a generality.

Like all “Scientologists trust Miscavige”.

Personally when I was “in” I didn’t trust Miscavige as far as I could throw Norman Starky (who is much bigger than the lil’ rodent) and was “going on hoping’ that someone would comm ev the lil’ somnabitch and put him out of our misery so we could go back to doing Scientology.

Plus I knew others who hated the lil’ guys guts.

They were definitely not part of the “they” or the broad generality of “Scientologists” you are referring to.

Mike already explained why many of these people buy into this whole “Ideal Org” scam and it has nothing to do with trust or faith in Miscavige and everything to do with status.

They really don’t give a damn whether this “Ideal Org” fails or succeeds as long as they have a nice cert on the wall saying they contributed and a photo op with der fuhrer who ever that happens to be.

(I’m sure they wouldn’t care if it happened to be Gerry Armstrong or Mead Emory or Genghis Khan or Torquemata)

That they can impress their shallow “friends” with.

I would also like to add that it has everything to do with power.

They (as in most specifically people like Richie Acunto, Brian Swann, Bruce Wiseguy, Sky Dayton, Tommy Cruise Missile etc, etc) give which is to them a few shekels to the Church and they get the back up of HCO to lord it over the Scientologists who happen to be working for their WISE venture and who will turn a blind eye toward their criminality and corruption.

To them it is nothing but protection money or an indulgence.

So there is a lot more to it than a bunch of Scientologists having their brain sucked out by a 5th Invader Arachnid like Miscavige.