Love Ya Mike! Keep up the great works and keep us posted on your continued quest for truth, justice, love and the Infinite Way!

I have the Sword of Excalibur and have discovered OT Infinity. I’d love to share it with you!

https://www.quora.com/Does-Scientology-have-the-right-to-declare-people-who-disagree-with-it-insane

T-Marie,
You are so right that upwards of 1/4 of the population is in need of mental health, of one form or another, at one time or another. Hubbard’s talk therapy could be beneficial to a fraction of the people in need. But, the demand by scienos that ONLY their therapy be used to help, and on their terms, has the result of having removed them from the mainstream healthcare. And, that is good.

Forty-five years ago, my friend’s son became suddenly schizophrenic at the age of 17. Out of control physically and mentally, a danger to himself and others when he was having an episode, he would be violent, lunging at people, and with a contorted face would shout curses and threats in a very deep, hoarse, unrecognizable voice to those around him. His parents were overwhelmed and had no clue about what to do for him or with him. They put him in a mental hospital. He was given drugs and restrained in a strait jacket when necessary. My point is: what could they have done differently? What would anyone do with one’s child, soon to be an adult, manifesting these symptoms? I don’t know. I think they did the only thing they could, at the time. Certainly, Scientology has no solutions for such people. In older times he would have been kept in chains in an asylum.

Whew! This just REEKS of prejudicial opinion. Sad.

Really, REALLY, good, insightful post, Joe P. You nailed the reason for the application failure. LRH set himself up as “source”. Big mistake when you’re trying to get people to think for themselves. Big mistake.

Actually, in the Data Series, Hubbard puts frequent emphasis on the importance of being able to differentiate between fact and opinion and how dangerous it is to operate in life without doing so.
Sorry for these inconvenient facts. I did the course.

Now, what he stated in the Data Series may well be at odds with what he stated elsewhere, but I don’t worry about that. I pick what’s useful and helpful to me out of what he wrote and shrug off the rest.

I do that with everything and everyone, including the Bible. IMO there is profound wisdom in the Bible as well as a great deal of nonsense. And no matter how boring and predictable or stupid someone is, you never know, you might learn something useful. It pays to pay attention.

So many people are unable to distinguish opinion from fact. They base their decisions as re determining where a datum is fact or opinion based solely upon the SOURCE.

So and So said it, therefore its true.

Or, So and So said it so it can’t be true.

So stupid.

But a lot of people operate this way. It isn’t only Scientologists, not by a long shot.

theg, you really should bring yourself up to speed on the vast amount of empirical research, done by a host of Nobel-winning scientists, has enlightened us about how brain has come to enable mind… evolutionarilly, developmentally and through the dynamic changes that occur on a intra-organismal basis during the course of global consciousness state changes over the wake-sleep-dream cycle.

Suffice it to say that tens of thousands of very highly educated scholars and skilled researchers have learned an incredible amount about the causal relationship between mind and brain in every imaginable area of interest and concern to us all…and NONE OF IT supports Elron’s wild ass theorizing!

Time to come to PT on this subject, sir!

“I really really really wish I could tell the story of how I came to my senses, because how get people OUT is such an important topic to us all.”

It is indeed, and the more folks who come forward to tell their own personal stories, as well as their first-hand accounts of how others were mistreated, the quicker that this criminal syndicate/hypno-mind control cult will be stopped!

Get your loved ones out, then, when they’re safe, tell us your entire family’s story. I’m sure that it is well worth listening to!

Since Scn is only for the “cream of the crop” elite, able, rich folks, what are the rest of us supposed to do? I think of this often. Hundreds of thousands of people in the U.S. need mental health treatment/counseling of some sort at some point in their life. And hundreds of thousands of young people are interested in learning how to help these people, so go to college and do what it takes to eventually become certified as counselors, doctors, neuroscientists, etc. They have a deep desire to help and do the very hard work it takes to make a difference in the world.

LRH didn’t have the drive or ambition or even the smarts to do what it takes.