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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2021 22:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/is-scientology-an-investment/#comment-378576&quot;&gt;Enrico Palazzo&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s the least of their problems. It&#039;s why I call them STAAD.

But the bigger issue is how they can claim to be &quot;taking action against&quot; discrimination when they are massive discriminators and support outright anti-semites.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/is-scientology-an-investment/#comment-378576">Enrico Palazzo</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the least of their problems. It&#8217;s why I call them STAAD.</p>
<p>But the bigger issue is how they can claim to be &#8220;taking action against&#8221; discrimination when they are massive discriminators and support outright anti-semites.</p>
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		By: Enrico Palazzo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2021 21:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How does any current or potential Scientologist get past the fact you can&#039;t create the acronym STAND from Scientologists Taking Action Against Discrimination?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does any current or potential Scientologist get past the fact you can&#8217;t create the acronym STAND from Scientologists Taking Action Against Discrimination?</p>
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		By: Whole		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2021 06:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually it is an investment in one&#039;s own degredation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it is an investment in one&#8217;s own degredation.</p>
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		By: Walkingghost!		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2021 22:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/is-scientology-an-investment/#comment-378048&quot;&gt;Loosing my Religion&lt;/a&gt;.

Fair enough. Just know I tried to get the money back, and/or make a deal on everyone&#039;s behalf as best as I could. They say the money is spent, from what I gather, on a enormous underground spaceship.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/is-scientology-an-investment/#comment-378048">Loosing my Religion</a>.</p>
<p>Fair enough. Just know I tried to get the money back, and/or make a deal on everyone&#8217;s behalf as best as I could. They say the money is spent, from what I gather, on a enormous underground spaceship.</p>
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		By: Dead Men Tell No Tales Bill Straass		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dead Men Tell No Tales Bill Straass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2021 08:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/is-scientology-an-investment/#comment-378319&quot;&gt;Dead Men Tell No Tales Bill Straass&lt;/a&gt;.

(Continued) 
     The Captain&#039;s statement was not incorrect; by sending me away from the medical doctor (Dr Denk) to a chiropractor  (James Keppler who told me when I met him that he had never treated anyone with HIVAIDS). 
      As both of these people (Keppler was not a licensed MD) had directly worked on LRH, the apparancy was that they had sent me to the best on the planet. But Dr Denk had ceased treating people with AIDS as the technology had advanced and so he sent these patients to specialists which is what he tried to do with me. 
     Keppler is one of these guys who basically think that they can revive the dead.  As the ship personnel thought my death was imminent; it is no wonder they sent me to Keppler. However, their actions made my death imminent by ensuring that I would get no medical care. 
     They finally released my wife after my father made some vague statement about calling the FBI which, I am sorry to say that I talked him out of. 
     So here I was, all but dead, lying to my father to defend the people who were trying to kill me while holding my wife a prisoner. Shortly after my wife got off the ship, she called her sister who happens to work at San Francisco 
General Hospital, which happens to have the oldest operating AIDS clinic in the world. 
     So the cult not only takes all the money a person can generate, it takes their actual lives. I only lived in the end because I got dementia and was no longer competent and it fell on my wife to choose my treatment.  Yet the ship has done everything in it&#039;s power to ensure that I would never see her again.
     Although dying of AIDS is a terrible thing I could not wish on anyone, it is also true that having AIDS saved my life.  I could have never left the S.O. any other way alive. Another year of the insanity that was my life on the ship and I would have self-terminated.
     I know this is a long comment and perhaps overly verbose. I put in all the data because to do otherwise would leave any readers with questions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/is-scientology-an-investment/#comment-378319">Dead Men Tell No Tales Bill Straass</a>.</p>
<p>(Continued)<br />
     The Captain&#8217;s statement was not incorrect; by sending me away from the medical doctor (Dr Denk) to a chiropractor  (James Keppler who told me when I met him that he had never treated anyone with HIVAIDS).<br />
      As both of these people (Keppler was not a licensed MD) had directly worked on LRH, the apparancy was that they had sent me to the best on the planet. But Dr Denk had ceased treating people with AIDS as the technology had advanced and so he sent these patients to specialists which is what he tried to do with me.<br />
     Keppler is one of these guys who basically think that they can revive the dead.  As the ship personnel thought my death was imminent; it is no wonder they sent me to Keppler. However, their actions made my death imminent by ensuring that I would get no medical care.<br />
     They finally released my wife after my father made some vague statement about calling the FBI which, I am sorry to say that I talked him out of.<br />
     So here I was, all but dead, lying to my father to defend the people who were trying to kill me while holding my wife a prisoner. Shortly after my wife got off the ship, she called her sister who happens to work at San Francisco<br />
General Hospital, which happens to have the oldest operating AIDS clinic in the world.<br />
     So the cult not only takes all the money a person can generate, it takes their actual lives. I only lived in the end because I got dementia and was no longer competent and it fell on my wife to choose my treatment.  Yet the ship has done everything in it&#8217;s power to ensure that I would never see her again.<br />
     Although dying of AIDS is a terrible thing I could not wish on anyone, it is also true that having AIDS saved my life.  I could have never left the S.O. any other way alive. Another year of the insanity that was my life on the ship and I would have self-terminated.<br />
     I know this is a long comment and perhaps overly verbose. I put in all the data because to do otherwise would leave any readers with questions.</p>
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		By: Dead Men Tell No Tales Bill Straass		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2021 07:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/is-scientology-an-investment/#comment-377997&quot;&gt;Bruce Ploetz&lt;/a&gt;.

Hello Bruce: I have probably met you; It is my understanding that you worked for GOLD and I was the Repair Chief of the Freewinds from the cult&#039;s  purchase of it in Sept 86 until my positive test for HIV  in June 02 from contaminated blood products received in Curacao in March 89. 
      This means that I worked a full (and then some) S.O. schedule for over 13 years while being HIV positive. In the last 5+ years I had full-blown AIDS which was undiagnosed. 
     As long as your stats are up and you can still fog up a mirror (as per an HCOPL), you can do your post. It does not matter if you are walking dead; with the hours we worked that was expected.
      As a Sea Org member, I had no cash to give the church.  Instead I (donated) many gallons of blood and sweat. 
      They never gave me a receipt for my donation. 
      I checked with Social Security and for about 15 of the 23 years I worked for the Church they show zero income- including many years after the IRS thing in 93 when they were supposed to pay something  to SS. 
      When I was sent off of the ship to die my wife was not allowed to come with me but was told by the Captain that I would be dead soon (continued)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/is-scientology-an-investment/#comment-377997">Bruce Ploetz</a>.</p>
<p>Hello Bruce: I have probably met you; It is my understanding that you worked for GOLD and I was the Repair Chief of the Freewinds from the cult&#8217;s  purchase of it in Sept 86 until my positive test for HIV  in June 02 from contaminated blood products received in Curacao in March 89.<br />
      This means that I worked a full (and then some) S.O. schedule for over 13 years while being HIV positive. In the last 5+ years I had full-blown AIDS which was undiagnosed.<br />
     As long as your stats are up and you can still fog up a mirror (as per an HCOPL), you can do your post. It does not matter if you are walking dead; with the hours we worked that was expected.<br />
      As a Sea Org member, I had no cash to give the church.  Instead I (donated) many gallons of blood and sweat.<br />
      They never gave me a receipt for my donation.<br />
      I checked with Social Security and for about 15 of the 23 years I worked for the Church they show zero income- including many years after the IRS thing in 93 when they were supposed to pay something  to SS.<br />
      When I was sent off of the ship to die my wife was not allowed to come with me but was told by the Captain that I would be dead soon (continued)</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2021 04:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/is-scientology-an-investment/#comment-378050&quot;&gt;Todd Cray&lt;/a&gt;.

Additionally, I&#039;ve never seen anything convincing that scn IS a church, except using a definition which allows the Mafia and other drug cartels be considered churches.  Even the outlaw motorcycle gangs are getting on the &quot;church&quot; thang: it&#039;s what they call their clubhouses: &quot;going to church&quot;. At least THEY have &quot;Sunday services&quot;: drinking and carousing about. scientology has NOTHING you don&#039;t pay dearly for -- up front every time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/is-scientology-an-investment/#comment-378050">Todd Cray</a>.</p>
<p>Additionally, I&#8217;ve never seen anything convincing that scn IS a church, except using a definition which allows the Mafia and other drug cartels be considered churches.  Even the outlaw motorcycle gangs are getting on the &#8220;church&#8221; thang: it&#8217;s what they call their clubhouses: &#8220;going to church&#8221;. At least THEY have &#8220;Sunday services&#8221;: drinking and carousing about. scientology has NOTHING you don&#8217;t pay dearly for &#8212; up front every time.</p>
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		By: Lynne Gerred		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynne Gerred]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2021 03:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/is-scientology-an-investment/#comment-378048&quot;&gt;Loosing my Religion&lt;/a&gt;.

Well said.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/is-scientology-an-investment/#comment-378048">Loosing my Religion</a>.</p>
<p>Well said.</p>
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		By: jeff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jeff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2021 23:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/is-scientology-an-investment/#comment-377995&quot;&gt;Mark&lt;/a&gt;.

Are you related to that &#039;epic&#039; Sherman guy?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/is-scientology-an-investment/#comment-377995">Mark</a>.</p>
<p>Are you related to that &#8216;epic&#8217; Sherman guy?</p>
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		By: Todd Cray		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2021 21:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Scientology is an applied religious philosophy, meaning you spend time studying and then applying it to improve specific areas of your life.&quot; 

So what&#039;s the big reveal? THE SAME can be said for pretty much ANY religion or philosophy in existence.

&quot;In order to facilitate this, Scientology churches offer courses, and there are a large number of volunteer staff on hand to help you understand and apply the materials you study so you get what you want to out of the course.&quot; 

THOUSANDS of churches (and other organizations) offer courses by professionals as well as volunteers. However, they manage to make these courses free or they pass a hat to allow for what would truly qualify as a &quot;donation.&quot; And these organizations don&#039;t even &quot;enjoy&quot; the bountiful benefits of the admin &quot;tech&quot; to allow them to operate such a superior model of serving their congregations.

&quot;Scientology pastoral counseling, or auditing, is also administered in our churches, by individuals who have often spent years of their lives studying and practicing Scientology and the techniques of proper auditing in particular. All of that requires an investment on the part of the individual and the group as a whole.&quot;

NOTHING unusual about this either. Even the smallest, newest and least prosperous churches typically have staff who have spent years of their lives earning advanced university degrees. Typically, this is NOT done the scientology way where the expenses for this education revert right back to the &quot;church&quot; for offering this &quot;education&quot; in the first place. 

Unlike scientology, these congregations pay their professionals to allow them to continue in their work. And somehow they manage to do so without forcing members to put money &quot;on account&quot; before they are permitted to attend church, receive communion, attend pastoral counselling, or become privy to &quot;advanced&quot; parts of the doctrine (the kind of doctrine that may make you perish from pneumonia if you don&#039;t pay enough in advance, or that may have stopped you from attending in the first place had you been told about it at the beginning). These congregations even save a ton of money by NOT employing PIs as a harassment squad or hiring unemployable former journalists to create hate web sites. Could that be the reason that many of even the humblest churches manage to engage in real charitable activities?

The claim that all churches are equal obviously fails! As does the idea that an organization ought to be given respect (let alone religious exemptions) simply for pretending to be a &quot;church.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Scientology is an applied religious philosophy, meaning you spend time studying and then applying it to improve specific areas of your life.&#8221; </p>
<p>So what&#8217;s the big reveal? THE SAME can be said for pretty much ANY religion or philosophy in existence.</p>
<p>&#8220;In order to facilitate this, Scientology churches offer courses, and there are a large number of volunteer staff on hand to help you understand and apply the materials you study so you get what you want to out of the course.&#8221; </p>
<p>THOUSANDS of churches (and other organizations) offer courses by professionals as well as volunteers. However, they manage to make these courses free or they pass a hat to allow for what would truly qualify as a &#8220;donation.&#8221; And these organizations don&#8217;t even &#8220;enjoy&#8221; the bountiful benefits of the admin &#8220;tech&#8221; to allow them to operate such a superior model of serving their congregations.</p>
<p>&#8220;Scientology pastoral counseling, or auditing, is also administered in our churches, by individuals who have often spent years of their lives studying and practicing Scientology and the techniques of proper auditing in particular. All of that requires an investment on the part of the individual and the group as a whole.&#8221;</p>
<p>NOTHING unusual about this either. Even the smallest, newest and least prosperous churches typically have staff who have spent years of their lives earning advanced university degrees. Typically, this is NOT done the scientology way where the expenses for this education revert right back to the &#8220;church&#8221; for offering this &#8220;education&#8221; in the first place. </p>
<p>Unlike scientology, these congregations pay their professionals to allow them to continue in their work. And somehow they manage to do so without forcing members to put money &#8220;on account&#8221; before they are permitted to attend church, receive communion, attend pastoral counselling, or become privy to &#8220;advanced&#8221; parts of the doctrine (the kind of doctrine that may make you perish from pneumonia if you don&#8217;t pay enough in advance, or that may have stopped you from attending in the first place had you been told about it at the beginning). These congregations even save a ton of money by NOT employing PIs as a harassment squad or hiring unemployable former journalists to create hate web sites. Could that be the reason that many of even the humblest churches manage to engage in real charitable activities?</p>
<p>The claim that all churches are equal obviously fails! As does the idea that an organization ought to be given respect (let alone religious exemptions) simply for pretending to be a &#8220;church.&#8221;</p>
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