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		By: Doug Sprinkke		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Sprinkke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2019 18:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/join-scientology-staff-no-pay-but-we-offer-total-freedom/#comment-290600&quot;&gt;Mark&lt;/a&gt;.

Mark, did Tom or Steve or any of the other ones make a big effort to recover you?   Steve about came unglued when I informed him I wouldn&#039;t be back.  He even tracked me down after I moved.]]></description>
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<p>Mark, did Tom or Steve or any of the other ones make a big effort to recover you?   Steve about came unglued when I informed him I wouldn&#8217;t be back.  He even tracked me down after I moved.</p>
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		By: Roger Larsson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Larsson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2019 12:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/join-scientology-staff-no-pay-but-we-offer-total-freedom/#comment-290423&quot;&gt;Old Surfer Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

Hitler made it in 15 years or so at the power. Hubbard made it 35 years or so. His executerr still goes on because he&#039;s a dwarf. People h.ave sympathy]]></description>
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<p>Hitler made it in 15 years or so at the power. Hubbard made it 35 years or so. His executerr still goes on because he&#8217;s a dwarf. People h.ave sympathy</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PeaceMaker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2019 04:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/join-scientology-staff-no-pay-but-we-offer-total-freedom/#comment-290584&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

p.s.  That&#039;s not actually one of the Mike Rinder quotes from the Libération article, though this is:

«L’objectif est de convaincre les donateurs que la scientologie s’étend partout dans le monde, décrypte Mike Rinder. (&quot;The goal is to convince donors that Scientology is spreading around the world&quot;)

You appear to be very fluent in French, Mike!  :)

I hope some of this detail about orgs and missions is of interest, I find it sometimes insightful as to what&#039;s going on.

Paris seems likely to be left to molder as one of the older lot of building purchases, but I&#039;m curious to see if the newly purchased and already-modernized Edinburgh facility is treated any differently or just gets lumped in with the rest.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/join-scientology-staff-no-pay-but-we-offer-total-freedom/#comment-290584">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>p.s.  That&#8217;s not actually one of the Mike Rinder quotes from the Libération article, though this is:</p>
<p>«L’objectif est de convaincre les donateurs que la scientologie s’étend partout dans le monde, décrypte Mike Rinder. (&#8220;The goal is to convince donors that Scientology is spreading around the world&#8221;)</p>
<p>You appear to be very fluent in French, Mike!  🙂</p>
<p>I hope some of this detail about orgs and missions is of interest, I find it sometimes insightful as to what&#8217;s going on.</p>
<p>Paris seems likely to be left to molder as one of the older lot of building purchases, but I&#8217;m curious to see if the newly purchased and already-modernized Edinburgh facility is treated any differently or just gets lumped in with the rest.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PeaceMaker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2019 23:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/join-scientology-staff-no-pay-but-we-offer-total-freedom/#comment-290584&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks, Mike.  So they spent 33 million euros to buy what looks like a relatively new building in a prime location - one more than 50% larger than the average &quot;ideal&quot; facility.  

But while it was reported just a couple of months ago, it appears that the purchase actually took place covertly, though shell companies, at least as far back as 2017 - perhaps Scientology thought they could insulate it from possible seizure if ownership was opaque enough.  And then it&#039;s presumably part of the old &quot;ideal&quot; plan; plus they reportedly had grand renovation plans including a large auditorium, so it&#039;s far from being ready to move in to.

I did search before posting, and couldn&#039;t come up with Tony&#039;s piece.  In hopes of redeeming myself, given that link I dug a bit deeper, including into the original Libération article (cited, but not linked) - which quotes one Mike Rinder:

&quot;En France, ses responsables avancent régulièrement le chiffre de 40 000 adeptes. Selon un ancien cadre qui les a quittés au début des années 2010, ils seraient à peine 400.&quot; (basically, they claim 40,000 members, but an executive who left in 2010 says its&#039;s only 400) 

Saint-Denis : les scientologues lancent le siège, les élus résistent
https://www.liberation.fr/france/2019/04/18/saint-denis-les-scientologues-lancent-le-siege-les-elus-resistent_1722247

There&#039;s also a brief piece from another source, in English:

The Church of Scientology settles in Saint-Denis: &quot;Everyone is a little helpless&quot;
https://www.tellerreport.com/news/--the-church-of-scientology-settles-in-saint-denis--%22everyone-is-a-little-helpless%22-.HyGJycv9N.html

It appears that the building they purchased at 270 Ave du Président Wilson in Saint-Denis is a former Samsung office, though I can&#039;t find much more about it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/join-scientology-staff-no-pay-but-we-offer-total-freedom/#comment-290584">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks, Mike.  So they spent 33 million euros to buy what looks like a relatively new building in a prime location &#8211; one more than 50% larger than the average &#8220;ideal&#8221; facility.  </p>
<p>But while it was reported just a couple of months ago, it appears that the purchase actually took place covertly, though shell companies, at least as far back as 2017 &#8211; perhaps Scientology thought they could insulate it from possible seizure if ownership was opaque enough.  And then it&#8217;s presumably part of the old &#8220;ideal&#8221; plan; plus they reportedly had grand renovation plans including a large auditorium, so it&#8217;s far from being ready to move in to.</p>
<p>I did search before posting, and couldn&#8217;t come up with Tony&#8217;s piece.  In hopes of redeeming myself, given that link I dug a bit deeper, including into the original Libération article (cited, but not linked) &#8211; which quotes one Mike Rinder:</p>
<p>&#8220;En France, ses responsables avancent régulièrement le chiffre de 40 000 adeptes. Selon un ancien cadre qui les a quittés au début des années 2010, ils seraient à peine 400.&#8221; (basically, they claim 40,000 members, but an executive who left in 2010 says its&#8217;s only 400) </p>
<p>Saint-Denis : les scientologues lancent le siège, les élus résistent<br />
<a href="https://www.liberation.fr/france/2019/04/18/saint-denis-les-scientologues-lancent-le-siege-les-elus-resistent_1722247" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.liberation.fr/france/2019/04/18/saint-denis-les-scientologues-lancent-le-siege-les-elus-resistent_1722247</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s also a brief piece from another source, in English:</p>
<p>The Church of Scientology settles in Saint-Denis: &#8220;Everyone is a little helpless&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.tellerreport.com/news/--the-church-of-scientology-settles-in-saint-denis--%22everyone-is-a-little-helpless%22-.HyGJycv9N.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.tellerreport.com/news/&#8211;the-church-of-scientology-settles-in-saint-denis&#8211;%22everyone-is-a-little-helpless%22-.HyGJycv9N.html</a></p>
<p>It appears that the building they purchased at 270 Ave du Président Wilson in Saint-Denis is a former Samsung office, though I can&#8217;t find much more about it.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2019 19:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/join-scientology-staff-no-pay-but-we-offer-total-freedom/#comment-290656&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

Ortega did a piece about the building they bought in Paris (it&#039;s the 2nd story): https://tonyortega.org/2019/04/19/coming-may-9-silvertail-books-publishes-chris-owens-ron-the-war-hero/]]></description>
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<p>Ortega did a piece about the building they bought in Paris (it&#8217;s the 2nd story): <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2019/04/19/coming-may-9-silvertail-books-publishes-chris-owens-ron-the-war-hero/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://tonyortega.org/2019/04/19/coming-may-9-silvertail-books-publishes-chris-owens-ron-the-war-hero/</a></p>
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		By: Old Surfer Dude		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Surfer Dude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2019 16:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/join-scientology-staff-no-pay-but-we-offer-total-freedom/#comment-290558&quot;&gt;Peter McMahon&lt;/a&gt;.

Good on you, Peter!]]></description>
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<p>Good on you, Peter!</p>
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		By: Old Surfer Dude		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Surfer Dude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2019 16:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/join-scientology-staff-no-pay-but-we-offer-total-freedom/#comment-290433&quot;&gt;Chris Shugart&lt;/a&gt;.

And I am that Class XII Surfer!]]></description>
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<p>And I am that Class XII Surfer!</p>
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		By: Old Surfer Dude		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Surfer Dude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2019 16:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/join-scientology-staff-no-pay-but-we-offer-total-freedom/#comment-290605&quot;&gt;Mark&lt;/a&gt;.

Mark, you certainly deserve it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/join-scientology-staff-no-pay-but-we-offer-total-freedom/#comment-290605">Mark</a>.</p>
<p>Mark, you certainly deserve it.</p>
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		By: Scribe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scribe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/join-scientology-staff-no-pay-but-we-offer-total-freedom/#comment-290552&quot;&gt;Old Surfer Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

Don&#039;t be too hard on yourself.]]></description>
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<p>Don&#8217;t be too hard on yourself.</p>
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		By: Scribe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scribe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/join-scientology-staff-no-pay-but-we-offer-total-freedom/#comment-290532&quot;&gt;Old Surfer Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

Despite what Ron said about Jerkers and Degrooders.]]></description>
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<p>Despite what Ron said about Jerkers and Degrooders.</p>
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