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		By: chuckbeattyx75to03		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[To pull the rug out from under any Scientology front group that&#039;s complaining and making noise, just calmly explain that Scientology&#039;s highest &quot;upper levels&quot; OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 are exorcism of Xenu&#039;s earth dump of &quot;body-thetans.&quot;

Scientology/Hubbard believed that the Xenu earth dump of &quot;body-thetans&quot; was so significant to humans&#039; mental degradation, that Hubbard/Scientology has 5 expensive time consuming exorcism steps, and a whole lot exorcism, and that is Scientology&#039;s solution vs psychiatry.

The Xenu story and the connection of Xenu&#039;s earth dump of &quot;body-thetans&quot; onto earth and onto thus all human beings today, we all per Scientology/Hubbard theory are loaded with Xenu&#039;s &quot;body-thetans&quot; which only OT 3, 4, 5 6, and 7 can un-infest ourselves using the standard Scientology exorcism OT levels.

So, that in a nutshell is the &quot;pull the rug out&quot; comeback, to all Scientology front groups, and even on the street, to all Scientology street dissemination activities.

Just simply tell the Scientologists and tell the Scientology front group people about Xenu&#039;s earth dump of &quot;body-thetans&quot; (the 4th Dynamic engram is the Xenu story, aka the OT 3 story) and let the Scientologists try to dodge the info that of course they cannot even talk about, they aren&#039;t even allowed to say the word Xenu publicly.

Sheesh, dealing with Scientology if you use Scientology&#039;s secrets about the OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 theory, is the best comeback, at any time.

Hubbard made the Scientologists pros at dodging off of Hubbard&#039;s ludicrous quackery exorcism (Xenu&#039;s &quot;body-thetans&quot; exorcism OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To pull the rug out from under any Scientology front group that&#8217;s complaining and making noise, just calmly explain that Scientology&#8217;s highest &#8220;upper levels&#8221; OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 are exorcism of Xenu&#8217;s earth dump of &#8220;body-thetans.&#8221;</p>
<p>Scientology/Hubbard believed that the Xenu earth dump of &#8220;body-thetans&#8221; was so significant to humans&#8217; mental degradation, that Hubbard/Scientology has 5 expensive time consuming exorcism steps, and a whole lot exorcism, and that is Scientology&#8217;s solution vs psychiatry.</p>
<p>The Xenu story and the connection of Xenu&#8217;s earth dump of &#8220;body-thetans&#8221; onto earth and onto thus all human beings today, we all per Scientology/Hubbard theory are loaded with Xenu&#8217;s &#8220;body-thetans&#8221; which only OT 3, 4, 5 6, and 7 can un-infest ourselves using the standard Scientology exorcism OT levels.</p>
<p>So, that in a nutshell is the &#8220;pull the rug out&#8221; comeback, to all Scientology front groups, and even on the street, to all Scientology street dissemination activities.</p>
<p>Just simply tell the Scientologists and tell the Scientology front group people about Xenu&#8217;s earth dump of &#8220;body-thetans&#8221; (the 4th Dynamic engram is the Xenu story, aka the OT 3 story) and let the Scientologists try to dodge the info that of course they cannot even talk about, they aren&#8217;t even allowed to say the word Xenu publicly.</p>
<p>Sheesh, dealing with Scientology if you use Scientology&#8217;s secrets about the OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 theory, is the best comeback, at any time.</p>
<p>Hubbard made the Scientologists pros at dodging off of Hubbard&#8217;s ludicrous quackery exorcism (Xenu&#8217;s &#8220;body-thetans&#8221; exorcism OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7).</p>
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		By: chuckbeattyx75to03		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ken-cramer-joker-and-degrader/#comment-361784</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2020 22:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Psychiatry works better than exorcising Xenu&#039;s earth dump of &quot;body-thetans&quot; (OT 3, 4, 5 6 and 7), to fix serious mental ill health, that&#039;s for sure.  

The word of mouth info of what the Scientology alternative &quot;therapy&quot; is, to psychiatry, is something psychs need to know.

If psychs targeted by Scientology just know about the Xenu story, and that OT 3, 4, 5 6 and 7 of Scientology&#039;s &quot;highest&quot; spiritual replacements for psychiatry are exorcism of Xenu&#039;s earth dump of &quot;body-thetans&quot; (exorcism of messed up souls from other planets, which Xenu sprinkled onto earth and which infest humans today), and if psychiatrists simple mention this info, when they are discussing Scientology&#039;s various front groups&#039; attacks on the psychiatric field, then this is a public service.

It&#039;s a public service in all cases, to mention that Scientology&#039;s highest alternative spiritual practices which Scientology does in place of psychiatry, is Xenu&#039;s &quot;body-thetans&quot; exorcism, then this informs the listener to psychiatrists, to know where this Scientology biased criticism is coming from.

All a psychiatrist needs to know is that Scientology engages in 5 expensive and time consuming exorcism steps, the OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 steps of &quot;upper&quot; Scientology, are all exorcism of Xenu&#039;s earth dump of &quot;body-thetans&quot;, so the Scientologists secretly teach themselves.

So, hopefully, the word gets out to psychiatrists, this info, about what Scientology wishes for the world to instead do, to fix people&#039;s mental problems, which is a whole lot of exorcism of Xenu&#039;s &quot;body-thetans&quot; earth dump.

I&#039;d go with psychiatry responsibly and humanely ministered, over Scientology&#039;s exorcism of Xenu&#039;s earth dump of &quot;body-thetans&quot; and this is about as much as psychs need to know about Scientology.

Scientology is a whole bunch of secret exorcism of Xenu&#039;s earth dump of &quot;body-thetans&quot; and that&#039;s relevant to know about Scientology&#039;s front groups&#039; activities.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Psychiatry works better than exorcising Xenu&#8217;s earth dump of &#8220;body-thetans&#8221; (OT 3, 4, 5 6 and 7), to fix serious mental ill health, that&#8217;s for sure.  </p>
<p>The word of mouth info of what the Scientology alternative &#8220;therapy&#8221; is, to psychiatry, is something psychs need to know.</p>
<p>If psychs targeted by Scientology just know about the Xenu story, and that OT 3, 4, 5 6 and 7 of Scientology&#8217;s &#8220;highest&#8221; spiritual replacements for psychiatry are exorcism of Xenu&#8217;s earth dump of &#8220;body-thetans&#8221; (exorcism of messed up souls from other planets, which Xenu sprinkled onto earth and which infest humans today), and if psychiatrists simple mention this info, when they are discussing Scientology&#8217;s various front groups&#8217; attacks on the psychiatric field, then this is a public service.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a public service in all cases, to mention that Scientology&#8217;s highest alternative spiritual practices which Scientology does in place of psychiatry, is Xenu&#8217;s &#8220;body-thetans&#8221; exorcism, then this informs the listener to psychiatrists, to know where this Scientology biased criticism is coming from.</p>
<p>All a psychiatrist needs to know is that Scientology engages in 5 expensive and time consuming exorcism steps, the OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 steps of &#8220;upper&#8221; Scientology, are all exorcism of Xenu&#8217;s earth dump of &#8220;body-thetans&#8221;, so the Scientologists secretly teach themselves.</p>
<p>So, hopefully, the word gets out to psychiatrists, this info, about what Scientology wishes for the world to instead do, to fix people&#8217;s mental problems, which is a whole lot of exorcism of Xenu&#8217;s &#8220;body-thetans&#8221; earth dump.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d go with psychiatry responsibly and humanely ministered, over Scientology&#8217;s exorcism of Xenu&#8217;s earth dump of &#8220;body-thetans&#8221; and this is about as much as psychs need to know about Scientology.</p>
<p>Scientology is a whole bunch of secret exorcism of Xenu&#8217;s earth dump of &#8220;body-thetans&#8221; and that&#8217;s relevant to know about Scientology&#8217;s front groups&#8217; activities.</p>
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		By: Manecki Neckbeard		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ken-cramer-joker-and-degrader/#comment-361688</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2020 23:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ken-cramer-joker-and-degrader/#comment-361356&quot;&gt;Newcomer&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, I&#039;d have to agree. 
Most psychiatrists in the USA at least are very much aware of the Co$ campaign to destroy them.

In fact, I once spoke to a psychiatrist who told me, with a great deal of emotion, that after attending his first few major medical conferences he finally felt he could empathize with Jews like me, as well as his minority patients&#039; experiences with racism &#038; bigotry. He said that, as a white Christian man,  he&#039;d never before experienced such viciously overt hatred leveled against him, simply by virtue of who he was. It was the first time he&#039;d experienced that  helpless feeling of knowing that there are people who hate you, passionately, simply for existing, and that there&#039;s literally nothing you can do to convince them you&#039;re not malicious, subhuman scum. 

It was apparently an incredibly affecting, memorable experience for him.]]></description>
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<p>Yeah, I&#8217;d have to agree.<br />
Most psychiatrists in the USA at least are very much aware of the Co$ campaign to destroy them.</p>
<p>In fact, I once spoke to a psychiatrist who told me, with a great deal of emotion, that after attending his first few major medical conferences he finally felt he could empathize with Jews like me, as well as his minority patients&#8217; experiences with racism &amp; bigotry. He said that, as a white Christian man,  he&#8217;d never before experienced such viciously overt hatred leveled against him, simply by virtue of who he was. It was the first time he&#8217;d experienced that  helpless feeling of knowing that there are people who hate you, passionately, simply for existing, and that there&#8217;s literally nothing you can do to convince them you&#8217;re not malicious, subhuman scum. </p>
<p>It was apparently an incredibly affecting, memorable experience for him.</p>
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		By: Manecki Neckbeard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2020 23:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ken-cramer-joker-and-degrader/#comment-361463&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh wow, I&#039;d totally forgotten about the &quot;less than 12 men&quot; cabal conspiracy! 
But that, combined with the bizarre marriage with NoI and the obsession with what Goebbels et al actually referred to as &quot;the Jewish science,&quot; always makes me SO very curious as to why (at least in the earlier days) there were so many Jews who joined up! And of course, Scn has evidently made what to me are quite shockingly good inroads into Israel, as well! 
It&#039;s just so hard to wrap my head around the idea that there are any jews out there who somehow don&#039;t already know that the anti-psychiatry movement has been intensely fueled by blatant judenhass, dating back to literally the very genesis of psychiatry in the 19th century! 

But then, I suppose the vast human capacity for denial is more than evident when one considers the fact that so many loyal NoI members would join up with a &quot;religion&quot; started not only by one of those white men who their leaders encourage them to so passionately hate, fear and revile...but a &quot;religion&quot; whose white founder was rather stunningly liberal with his vile stereotypes of both Africa and people with African heritage, as well as being equally liberal with his stomach-turning praise of such atrocities as the Bantu education model, apartheid, colonial rule, etc. 

I suppose, though, that there couldn&#039;t be a better example of &quot;what&#039;s true for you is true for you,&quot; than the two bizarre examples listed above?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ken-cramer-joker-and-degrader/#comment-361463">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>Oh wow, I&#8217;d totally forgotten about the &#8220;less than 12 men&#8221; cabal conspiracy!<br />
But that, combined with the bizarre marriage with NoI and the obsession with what Goebbels et al actually referred to as &#8220;the Jewish science,&#8221; always makes me SO very curious as to why (at least in the earlier days) there were so many Jews who joined up! And of course, Scn has evidently made what to me are quite shockingly good inroads into Israel, as well!<br />
It&#8217;s just so hard to wrap my head around the idea that there are any jews out there who somehow don&#8217;t already know that the anti-psychiatry movement has been intensely fueled by blatant judenhass, dating back to literally the very genesis of psychiatry in the 19th century! </p>
<p>But then, I suppose the vast human capacity for denial is more than evident when one considers the fact that so many loyal NoI members would join up with a &#8220;religion&#8221; started not only by one of those white men who their leaders encourage them to so passionately hate, fear and revile&#8230;but a &#8220;religion&#8221; whose white founder was rather stunningly liberal with his vile stereotypes of both Africa and people with African heritage, as well as being equally liberal with his stomach-turning praise of such atrocities as the Bantu education model, apartheid, colonial rule, etc. </p>
<p>I suppose, though, that there couldn&#8217;t be a better example of &#8220;what&#8217;s true for you is true for you,&#8221; than the two bizarre examples listed above?</p>
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		By: Michael Winters		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2020 15:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Scientologists attempt to incite hate against psychiatrists like the media incites it between political parties.]]></description>
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		By: Fac One		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2020 15:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ken-cramer-joker-and-degrader/#comment-361436&quot;&gt;Linear13&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Linear.  An evil church does that.  Scientology is pure evil.   Happy we all escaped the cult.  It is horrendous for those hanging by a shred of doubt because they have not “As-Ised” Scientology with the truth.
Freedom is just a mouse click away.]]></description>
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<p>Thanks Linear.  An evil church does that.  Scientology is pure evil.   Happy we all escaped the cult.  It is horrendous for those hanging by a shred of doubt because they have not “As-Ised” Scientology with the truth.<br />
Freedom is just a mouse click away.</p>
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		By: Golden Era Parachute		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ken-cramer-joker-and-degrader/#comment-361438&quot;&gt;Linear13&lt;/a&gt;.

I wouldn&#039;t doubt that they installed an insider in the search engine company. Mike, comments on how ruthlessly the external affairs arm gets in infiltrating private corporations?]]></description>
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<p>I wouldn&#8217;t doubt that they installed an insider in the search engine company. Mike, comments on how ruthlessly the external affairs arm gets in infiltrating private corporations?</p>
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		By: Golden Era Parachute		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How does a thoughtful email get twisted into this? 

I know there&#039;s a scenario in a post-apocalyptic video game that has a group of cannibals who use politeness to trick members into a false sense of security before they attack and ultimately consume the victim. I think in the Ken Kramer universe, he is living in a post-civilization wasteland with zombies running around and cannibals on the lose about to pounce with their fake politeness. I am definitely not qualified to diagnose Ken&#039;s mental affliction, but delusion comes to mind. Here&#039;s a reality check for Ken: No, zombies are not real, there&#039;s no covert cannibals going to eat you, and psychiatrists really do practice medicine that tries to help people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does a thoughtful email get twisted into this? </p>
<p>I know there&#8217;s a scenario in a post-apocalyptic video game that has a group of cannibals who use politeness to trick members into a false sense of security before they attack and ultimately consume the victim. I think in the Ken Kramer universe, he is living in a post-civilization wasteland with zombies running around and cannibals on the lose about to pounce with their fake politeness. I am definitely not qualified to diagnose Ken&#8217;s mental affliction, but delusion comes to mind. Here&#8217;s a reality check for Ken: No, zombies are not real, there&#8217;s no covert cannibals going to eat you, and psychiatrists really do practice medicine that tries to help people.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2020 11:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ken-cramer-joker-and-degrader/#comment-361412&quot;&gt;Manecki Neckbeard&lt;/a&gt;.

Manecki, Scientology&#039;s conspiracy theory cosmology is definitely a riff on anti-semitism, if not even a thinly veiled form of it.  Many of the early psychiatrists were of course Jewish, and I&#039;m virtually certain that association lingered, in ways sometimes considered negative, into Hubbard&#039;s and Scientology&#039;s formative years.

Hubbard also claimed that “Our enemies on this planet are less than 12 men.  They are members of the Bank of England and other higher financial circles.&quot; which echoes accusations and conspiracy theories about a cabal of Jewish bankers and financiers controlling the world.

And of course Scientology seems completely unbothered by the Nation of Islam&#039;s blatant anti-Semitism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ken-cramer-joker-and-degrader/#comment-361412">Manecki Neckbeard</a>.</p>
<p>Manecki, Scientology&#8217;s conspiracy theory cosmology is definitely a riff on anti-semitism, if not even a thinly veiled form of it.  Many of the early psychiatrists were of course Jewish, and I&#8217;m virtually certain that association lingered, in ways sometimes considered negative, into Hubbard&#8217;s and Scientology&#8217;s formative years.</p>
<p>Hubbard also claimed that “Our enemies on this planet are less than 12 men.  They are members of the Bank of England and other higher financial circles.&#8221; which echoes accusations and conspiracy theories about a cabal of Jewish bankers and financiers controlling the world.</p>
<p>And of course Scientology seems completely unbothered by the Nation of Islam&#8217;s blatant anti-Semitism.</p>
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		By: Skyler		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2020 10:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if this email exchange turned out to be phony. None of it makes any sense to me. I suppose that I may be mistaken. But both writers seem pretty stupid to me. Hardly what one would expect from a real Psychiatrist. But, on the other hand, one should  expect almost any kind of insanity or inanity from a member of this criminal cult.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if this email exchange turned out to be phony. None of it makes any sense to me. I suppose that I may be mistaken. But both writers seem pretty stupid to me. Hardly what one would expect from a real Psychiatrist. But, on the other hand, one should  expect almost any kind of insanity or inanity from a member of this criminal cult.</p>
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