Huge subject, and many enlightening observations you made. I appreciate your explanation. I get what you say about being at peace (sounds like YOU really got Grade III, heh heh).
“Full responsibility” has (IMO) a bit of a twist in it, that one must grant another their responsibility, while still seeing them as burdened with their banks and misemotions and mis-attitudes and all. And still handling communication. The separation of universes thing. Not getting trapped into blame and hatred (as you point out). Along with responsibility is knowledge, and control. Control would be direction towards worthy goals, such as responsibility and communicating knowledge to others, hoping at least one strand of spaghetti sticks.
Optimum would be a “shared” responsibility. I hesitate to say “shared” because that sort of implies agreement or mutual dependence, and what I mean is more at a coincidence of responsibility, similar to a coincidence of viewpoint.
It’s always nice to read your posts, and learn from your example.
P.S. I found your reply only in my junk e-mail folder – I didn’t see my post appear after a “moderation” notice, and I thought I had been banned or subject to some technical glitch. Maybe it was my choice of analogies about how one might wish to – hypothetically – communicate responsibility. The “impelling a particle” thing.

“Hard to believe except for the religious fervor applied to the policing of the “remedies” and the enforcing of the correct ideas that apparently I do not have. The enthusiasm and zeal of enforcement seems very familiar.”

Agreed. It’s especially chilling to see it in such large numbers. That crappy (& useless) mask/chin diaper is becoming the new hijab/niqab. But as more truth comes out (esp re omitted data/research and the fudging of stats) hopefully a few more will start to resist and speak up. Hopefully.

Hehe, yes. “SAGE” sounds so earthy and wise. In reality, they are a quack team of doomsayers, whose laughable “guidance” and junk modelling data are finally being ignored by our oafish PM. https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/01/21/the-catastrophe-of-the-covid-models/

Use of fear to control behaviour in Covid crisis was ‘totalitarian’, admit scientists https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/14/scientists-admit-totalitarian-use-fear-control-behaviour-covid/

Oh my. Just looked that up, and I see that the group reports to SAGE. Sounds marvelous!!

Here in the states, it depended on which state you were in regarding the actions taken. I am in Georgia, and the reaction was different from other states. We in Georgia were ridiculed in regards to the laxness of the measures taken. The streets in the middle of the week were almost empty from sometime in Feb to April or May 2020. The only crowds were in Home Depot and other building supply companies. People were at home and doing those undone or wanted to get done home projects when they weren’t working from home.

Almost hard to believe that this is still going on over two years later. Hard to believe except for the religious fervor applied to the policing of the “remedies” and the enforcing of the correct ideas that apparently I do not have.

The enthusiasm and zeal of enforcement seems very familiar.

In the UK, one of the primary advisory bodies to the government during the pandemic has been a team of behavioural psychologists (Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviours (SPI-B).

We also have a “nudge unit” (which has now been exported to the US, Australia, Canada and others) which has been utilised to err…”nudge” people to get jabbed.

Atlanta Guy,
What DOES happen, as we both know from our scienbollocky experiences, is that people will often go along to get along, and can even be influenced to say, think, or do things that they might not otherwise do outside of a tightly controlled, relentlessly manipulated situation that includes constant indoctrination and group-installed self-policing mechanisms…
I can see how that might appear to be some kind of greater or lesser “mass psychosis” to a person viewing that group from the outside.
Jon Atack has a bunch of videos on Youtube that address undue influence that are worth checking out. And if you haven’t already checked Robert Jay Lifton’s 8 Criteria For Thought Reform, definitely do so…
Cheers!✌🏾

I hear ya, always a good idea to trust in data.

I am only talking about my experience as a former zombie that came back from the dead. Ever since, I have this newfound ability to sense the dead in others.

I am trying to be funny, but alas.

Ideas are identities to people. Sometimes the best idea is to try to rethink and see what happens. I do that quite a bit nowadays.

I only have my experience to verify, and my opinion is otherwise worthless. No scientific papers to reference. Some books that could be read. take the dive!!

To be as deeply in as I was, wow. On one hand, having to defend actions and stupidity or worse, thirty years. Then on the other hand, peeling it all off and realizing, for lack of a better word, OOPS!!

I see it clearly in society now in many ways. Humans are way to psychologically frail and liable for misdirection in too many ways.

I saw cap’n flubbles as genius, then came to find out the truth. I realized that he wasn’t as bright as all that, BUT he was capable of putting into motion something that is still careening down the highway, not quite on it’s own, but still wreaking havoc, in lives, real living people.

If he could do that, imagine who else could. How do we really know how that would look?

just sayin.

Hey, if you can share links to scientific testing that supports that theory, please share them and I will gladly read them.
Otherwise, it’s just an idea or a hypothesis that hasn’t been scientifically validated. On the other hand, there is quite a bit of research that has been done regarding cults and undue influence and how specific kinds of conditioning and indoctrination affect behavior, perception, cognitive abilities, etc.

Yes. It’s bitterly disappointing that after leaving one cult I now find myself having to navigate my way around various others – be it political, social, pharamaceutical, etc.

“The extreme willingness of adults to go to almost any lengths on the command of an authority constitutes the chief finding of the study and the fact most urgently demanding explanation. Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear, and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority.” – Milgram (1974).

I guess that since you posted that article that you as well believe it’s unfounded.

My question was does anyone see the parallel, you do not.