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		By: KM Crobb		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2023 22:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/la-org-is-going-st-hill-size-again/#comment-56884&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Matt really was a sweet guy, up until shortly after I left the SO, from what I&#039;ve read, when he went off and did all that weird shit in Australia. But yeah, we were taught to scream and shout and be super obnoxious assholes in CMO Pac at the time, and I guess he ran with that to survive. As for me, being a monster dickhead wasn&#039;t something I could fake, so I left.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/la-org-is-going-st-hill-size-again/#comment-56884">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Matt really was a sweet guy, up until shortly after I left the SO, from what I&#8217;ve read, when he went off and did all that weird shit in Australia. But yeah, we were taught to scream and shout and be super obnoxious assholes in CMO Pac at the time, and I guess he ran with that to survive. As for me, being a monster dickhead wasn&#8217;t something I could fake, so I left.</p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2014 06:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/la-org-is-going-st-hill-size-again/#comment-56882&quot;&gt;Joe Pendleton&lt;/a&gt;.

Ooops. Thought I posted this but I don&#039;t see it.  This is the second video that I think really gives some interesting thoughts about the mechanics of how postulates work. Some of them haven&#039;t gotten by the brain stuff (valid too but not to the exclusion of theta) but, just like the Magi of the past, the more we can understand about the mechanics of how things work, the better we are at making them work.

I think that this stuff is proving what Ron said about postulates not being MEST and being senior to MEST, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAo5uLCPio]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/la-org-is-going-st-hill-size-again/#comment-56882">Joe Pendleton</a>.</p>
<p>Ooops. Thought I posted this but I don&#8217;t see it.  This is the second video that I think really gives some interesting thoughts about the mechanics of how postulates work. Some of them haven&#8217;t gotten by the brain stuff (valid too but not to the exclusion of theta) but, just like the Magi of the past, the more we can understand about the mechanics of how things work, the better we are at making them work.</p>
<p>I think that this stuff is proving what Ron said about postulates not being MEST and being senior to MEST, etc.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAo5uLCPio" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAo5uLCPio</a></p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2014 06:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And then there&#039;s this. They haven&#039;t yet gotten past the brain but, isn&#039;t this all about postulates? It&#039;s taken this long for the scientists to realize what a postulate really is. This is a little Ron-like...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAo5uLCPio]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And then there&#8217;s this. They haven&#8217;t yet gotten past the brain but, isn&#8217;t this all about postulates? It&#8217;s taken this long for the scientists to realize what a postulate really is. This is a little Ron-like&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAo5uLCPio" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAo5uLCPio</a></p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2014 05:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/la-org-is-going-st-hill-size-again/#comment-56882&quot;&gt;Joe Pendleton&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree with you, Joe. 

Many indies want to continue &quot;up the Bridge&quot; because they had wins - not artificial, &quot;Woo woo&quot; wins, said just to make people happy.

What I&#039;ve been finding lately, in studying the very old spiritual texts that are available, that LRH, true to where he said he got the ideas, DID study the ancient texts and based his work on 30,000 years of thinking men.

Some of what he talked about, I&#039;m seeing as new discoveries in Quantum Physics, Law of Attraction, etc. I personally don&#039;t believe that he was just throwing crap against the wall to see if it stuck. I feel that, without making him a saint or some such, he was honestly enthralled with the journey and sincerely wanted to find a way out of the trap as he perceived it. 

Later on, there was a big, nasty &quot;error in judgement&quot; (very possibly an understatement) and the ethics codes were used for suppressive purposes such as revenge, etc. 

But I do think he meant to help people on the tech side of things. 

By the way, here&#039;s something that the Law of Attraction is just starting to catch up on. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuM678WXs0c]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/la-org-is-going-st-hill-size-again/#comment-56882">Joe Pendleton</a>.</p>
<p>I agree with you, Joe. </p>
<p>Many indies want to continue &#8220;up the Bridge&#8221; because they had wins &#8211; not artificial, &#8220;Woo woo&#8221; wins, said just to make people happy.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;ve been finding lately, in studying the very old spiritual texts that are available, that LRH, true to where he said he got the ideas, DID study the ancient texts and based his work on 30,000 years of thinking men.</p>
<p>Some of what he talked about, I&#8217;m seeing as new discoveries in Quantum Physics, Law of Attraction, etc. I personally don&#8217;t believe that he was just throwing crap against the wall to see if it stuck. I feel that, without making him a saint or some such, he was honestly enthralled with the journey and sincerely wanted to find a way out of the trap as he perceived it. </p>
<p>Later on, there was a big, nasty &#8220;error in judgement&#8221; (very possibly an understatement) and the ethics codes were used for suppressive purposes such as revenge, etc. </p>
<p>But I do think he meant to help people on the tech side of things. </p>
<p>By the way, here&#8217;s something that the Law of Attraction is just starting to catch up on. </p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuM678WXs0c" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuM678WXs0c</a></p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/la-org-is-going-st-hill-size-again/#comment-57234</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2014 05:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/la-org-is-going-st-hill-size-again/#comment-56935&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

I read it. :) 

Reality show, yes. But just like Truman, they won&#039;t realize that they are actually in a TV show until the very end -- then they realize that people are watching and that they have to make up the damage done (because somebody saw them do it).

There is always this discussion in today&#039;s criminal culture - &quot;If no one saw me do it, was it really a crime? Am I guilty if nobody knew?&quot;

Welcome to the Truman show, starring David Miscavige. Tick Tock, Tick Tock - the show is almost over Dave. What&#039;s going to happen to you in the end? 

Did I mention? Tick Tock.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/la-org-is-going-st-hill-size-again/#comment-56935">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>I read it. 🙂 </p>
<p>Reality show, yes. But just like Truman, they won&#8217;t realize that they are actually in a TV show until the very end &#8212; then they realize that people are watching and that they have to make up the damage done (because somebody saw them do it).</p>
<p>There is always this discussion in today&#8217;s criminal culture &#8211; &#8220;If no one saw me do it, was it really a crime? Am I guilty if nobody knew?&#8221;</p>
<p>Welcome to the Truman show, starring David Miscavige. Tick Tock, Tick Tock &#8211; the show is almost over Dave. What&#8217;s going to happen to you in the end? </p>
<p>Did I mention? Tick Tock.</p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2014 11:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/la-org-is-going-st-hill-size-again/#comment-56779&quot;&gt;Paul J&lt;/a&gt;.

I was public at that time so I don&#039;t know anything from the inside.out but the busiest I&#039;ve ever seen LA Org was when Jens and Jeannie Bogvad (now Sonnenfield) were running the show. It&#039;s interesting that most attention was put into putting auditors on post because that&#039;s what LA DAY became known for. 

Maybe it was a combination of regges going out to other orgs and saying, &quot;We&#039;re the best!&quot; so people believed them, and honest and sincere standard tech, but people would come from across the country to get service at LA DAY.  The halls were always filled with people.

But the thing that really REALLY boomed LA ORG, as I saw it, was the Latin population. Oh man, once the Latin public discovered Scientology, they told ALL of their friends and all of their families. It was HUGE!  I thought to myself, &quot;Now, if we could only do this with the African American community.&quot; It was a pretty creamy colored environment, at that time, if you catch my drift. 

So, having seen LA ORG be THAT successful, I was really perplexed about why a) the Bogvads were taken off post when the org was expanding and b) why it crashed so bad afterwards.

But I do have to say this about Div VI too. I stopped bringing people in in about 1991 after a botched Div VI cycle at LA ORG. No real reg cycle happened with the public person I brought in, (I was in Div VI before coming to LA - and was really good at it).  There was no spiritual enlightenment in the reg cycle at all. Just read the computer spit out OCA and pressure them to start.

Where I came from, the Div VI process was as much of a session as being in session. The person was honestly communicated to by someone who really cared about his/her survival and the person had cognitions about their life right in the reg cycle. They walked out with a higher awareness of themselves than when they walked in. And because of that, they felt that if Scientology could help them that much in that one &quot;session&quot; with the reg, what else could it help them with? 

But Scientology, the technical part that worked, has been broken now. At least the tech in corporate Scn. It had so much promise of helping people and improving conditions, didn&#039;t it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/la-org-is-going-st-hill-size-again/#comment-56779">Paul J</a>.</p>
<p>I was public at that time so I don&#8217;t know anything from the inside.out but the busiest I&#8217;ve ever seen LA Org was when Jens and Jeannie Bogvad (now Sonnenfield) were running the show. It&#8217;s interesting that most attention was put into putting auditors on post because that&#8217;s what LA DAY became known for. </p>
<p>Maybe it was a combination of regges going out to other orgs and saying, &#8220;We&#8217;re the best!&#8221; so people believed them, and honest and sincere standard tech, but people would come from across the country to get service at LA DAY.  The halls were always filled with people.</p>
<p>But the thing that really REALLY boomed LA ORG, as I saw it, was the Latin population. Oh man, once the Latin public discovered Scientology, they told ALL of their friends and all of their families. It was HUGE!  I thought to myself, &#8220;Now, if we could only do this with the African American community.&#8221; It was a pretty creamy colored environment, at that time, if you catch my drift. </p>
<p>So, having seen LA ORG be THAT successful, I was really perplexed about why a) the Bogvads were taken off post when the org was expanding and b) why it crashed so bad afterwards.</p>
<p>But I do have to say this about Div VI too. I stopped bringing people in in about 1991 after a botched Div VI cycle at LA ORG. No real reg cycle happened with the public person I brought in, (I was in Div VI before coming to LA &#8211; and was really good at it).  There was no spiritual enlightenment in the reg cycle at all. Just read the computer spit out OCA and pressure them to start.</p>
<p>Where I came from, the Div VI process was as much of a session as being in session. The person was honestly communicated to by someone who really cared about his/her survival and the person had cognitions about their life right in the reg cycle. They walked out with a higher awareness of themselves than when they walked in. And because of that, they felt that if Scientology could help them that much in that one &#8220;session&#8221; with the reg, what else could it help them with? </p>
<p>But Scientology, the technical part that worked, has been broken now. At least the tech in corporate Scn. It had so much promise of helping people and improving conditions, didn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		By: Mreppen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2014 09:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/la-org-is-going-st-hill-size-again/#comment-56967&quot;&gt;Michael Henderson&lt;/a&gt;.

Mike, I always liked Melanie and Marcy. Matt and I had our run in&#039;s. He lives about 5 miles from me. I still cannot figure him out to this day.]]></description>
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<p>Mike, I always liked Melanie and Marcy. Matt and I had our run in&#8217;s. He lives about 5 miles from me. I still cannot figure him out to this day.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2014 17:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/la-org-is-going-st-hill-size-again/#comment-56967&quot;&gt;Michael Henderson&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Mike]]></description>
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<p>Thanks Mike</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2014 17:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, Melanie Lekas and Chel Stith are my younger sisters. Glad to see Mel is back on post as ED LA Fdn. ( if you are going to be on staff, might as well be the head cheese). Chel is ED LA Day? Oh my...she was President Cof S last I had heard. I hope they both flourish and prosper!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Melanie Lekas and Chel Stith are my younger sisters. Glad to see Mel is back on post as ED LA Fdn. ( if you are going to be on staff, might as well be the head cheese). Chel is ED LA Day? Oh my&#8230;she was President Cof S last I had heard. I hope they both flourish and prosper!</p>
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		By: Cat Daddy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2014 17:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/la-org-is-going-st-hill-size-again/#comment-56882&quot;&gt;Joe Pendleton&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you]]></description>
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<p>Thank you</p>
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