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		By: Alanzo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2014 18:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/las-vegas/#comment-51313&quot;&gt;Alanzo&lt;/a&gt;.

Cindy wrote:

&lt;i&gt;Who needs a terminal when you can just dub in both sides of the communication?&lt;/i&gt;

I hope that I understand your reply to me correctly. I think what you are saying is that I am imagining things you said which you did not say. 

If that is so, please clarify. 

I swear to God that I will do my best to duplicate and to understand what you say - even if I disagree with it.

Alanzo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/las-vegas/#comment-51313">Alanzo</a>.</p>
<p>Cindy wrote:</p>
<p><i>Who needs a terminal when you can just dub in both sides of the communication?</i></p>
<p>I hope that I understand your reply to me correctly. I think what you are saying is that I am imagining things you said which you did not say. </p>
<p>If that is so, please clarify. </p>
<p>I swear to God that I will do my best to duplicate and to understand what you say &#8211; even if I disagree with it.</p>
<p>Alanzo</p>
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		By: Alanzo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alanzo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2014 18:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thoughtful wrote:

&lt;i&gt;“LRH” is a crashing MU.&lt;/i&gt;

Now that this term &quot;LRH&quot; has been cleared for you, apply some logic and judgement to it:

Logic 8 says: &lt;b&gt;A datum can be evaluated &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; by a datum of comparable magnitude. &lt;/b&gt;

I assume that you are saying that with all of LRH&#039;s faults, he is still a genuine spiritual leader.

Fine. 

Now apply Logic 8 to LRH and compare him to other examples of genuine spiritual leaders.

The Dalai Lama
Ghandi

Name a few of your favorites and compare them to LRH.

Ask questions like &quot;Do genuine spiritual leaders lie to their followers in the magnitude and type of lies that LRH did?&quot;

Compare and contrast, etc.

You must be able to use judgement on the cleared concept, in its proper context, once the concept has been cleared. Clearing the term is only the first step to thinking about things in a logically consistent and sustainable way. 

Alanzo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoughtful wrote:</p>
<p><i>“LRH” is a crashing MU.</i></p>
<p>Now that this term &#8220;LRH&#8221; has been cleared for you, apply some logic and judgement to it:</p>
<p>Logic 8 says: <b>A datum can be evaluated <i>only</i> by a datum of comparable magnitude. </b></p>
<p>I assume that you are saying that with all of LRH&#8217;s faults, he is still a genuine spiritual leader.</p>
<p>Fine. </p>
<p>Now apply Logic 8 to LRH and compare him to other examples of genuine spiritual leaders.</p>
<p>The Dalai Lama<br />
Ghandi</p>
<p>Name a few of your favorites and compare them to LRH.</p>
<p>Ask questions like &#8220;Do genuine spiritual leaders lie to their followers in the magnitude and type of lies that LRH did?&#8221;</p>
<p>Compare and contrast, etc.</p>
<p>You must be able to use judgement on the cleared concept, in its proper context, once the concept has been cleared. Clearing the term is only the first step to thinking about things in a logically consistent and sustainable way. </p>
<p>Alanzo</p>
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		By: Mark Fisher		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2014 17:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excellent analysis Steve.   I hadn&#039;t thought of that before.

LRH also was another thing.

LRH was a man.   

Just like everyone else.  We all have good and bad in us.  We all have out ethics and good actions within us to varying degrees.

He was no perfect person.  Middle ground is the way to go.   While I hate the out ethics and bad actions and lies he was responsible for, I also find it impossible to disregard the positive things that I learned and the personal gains that I made through training and processing.   I just read with a more critical eye.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent analysis Steve.   I hadn&#8217;t thought of that before.</p>
<p>LRH also was another thing.</p>
<p>LRH was a man.   </p>
<p>Just like everyone else.  We all have good and bad in us.  We all have out ethics and good actions within us to varying degrees.</p>
<p>He was no perfect person.  Middle ground is the way to go.   While I hate the out ethics and bad actions and lies he was responsible for, I also find it impossible to disregard the positive things that I learned and the personal gains that I made through training and processing.   I just read with a more critical eye.</p>
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		By: Pepper		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2014 14:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/las-vegas/#comment-51443&quot;&gt;Pepper&lt;/a&gt;.

That was for Lenore.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/las-vegas/#comment-51443">Pepper</a>.</p>
<p>That was for Lenore.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2014 14:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/las-vegas/#comment-51252&quot;&gt;Leonore&lt;/a&gt;.

I second that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/las-vegas/#comment-51252">Leonore</a>.</p>
<p>I second that.</p>
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		By: Thoughtful		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2014 03:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I definitely remember what it was like with orgs being a friendly place and orgs bursting at the seams. Back then it was fun just to hang out in virtually any org. No reg would bother you. You could just hang out and visit. Chat with Clears or OTs. 

It occurred to me, Mark, while reading your write up that DM has simply put in his own &quot;ideal scene.&quot; Consider the Int base or any place cornCOB inhabits. What do you have? A cavernous (beautifully UGLY) multi-million dollar building that is virtually empty except for 4 or 5 robotic degraded beings. That IS his &quot;ideal scene&quot; that apparently he thinks everyone wants. 

I started a restudy of the Solo Course materials today, because I intend to get moving on the Bridge again. Very interesting to read KSW after reading Larry Wright&#039;s book and even better: Bare Faced Messiah by Russell Miller. These books are utterly one-sided because they totally ignore any rightness in the tech, any value of auditing or training... however they are invaluable in that they shed light on LRH&#039;s own hidden track of horrific and appalling out ethics, in the wake of which floated the wreckage of broken lives. 

There is no substitute for total transparency, else nobody really can understand who or what LRH was — how he wasted thousands of dollars in the early orgs, stole from people left and right, betrayed trust, cheated on his wives, and so forth on up the track, even while he was developing auditing and breakthroughs like the Data Series. Once you know the truth about LRH — not only the good he did, but the bad — then you can start to understand who and what he actually was. THEN when you read KSW, it really becomes amazing because you can see the lies, the missed withholds, the crazy, the wrong, and also the rightness there. As Marty originally pointed out, it&#039;s the middle path that is the right path. Scientology was neither all good nor all bad. Ditto with LRH — he was definitely not all good by a long, long stretch. And unless a person knows both sides, he really doesn&#039;t know LRH at all. And this his &quot;understanding&quot; is built on unreality. 

I have another name for &quot;understanding&quot; built on unreality. I call it PTSness. LRH was very suppressive to many people, and even to his own movement. It would be correct to have people naming him as a PTS item, because he could be quite cruel. 

Eventually we will have to pick up all the shattered pieces of Scientology because the CoS is never going to do it. They can&#039;t. They veered off the edge, went into the abyss and lost their minds. And their souls. LRH operated on a number of wrong whys that stand out clear as day in KSW. Too bad for all of us no one was ever able to get his ethics in. 

Anyway, one of the first issues on the Solo course checksheet (from 1982) is a little issue called &quot;Misunderstood Words and Cycles of Action.&quot; The issue explains how misunderstood words stop cycles of action, prevent production, even prevent perception. The can lead to total organize (DM) and also to irrational demands to only produce (also DM), and in this issue LRH is really talking about Crashing MUs. 

Have you ever tried to point out the value of something in Scientology to someone who was unable to see any value there? Perhaps that&#039;s an example of a Crashing MU preventing perception. But what might be the Crashing MU? 

As I mentioned, without knowing LRH&#039;s track of overt acts — that he was violent with his first two wives (just like DM), that he went to the most extravagant lengths to defame people he feared as rivals or that he feared might expose his own out ethics, etc, — no person really knows who or what LRH was. Without knowing that LRH also instilled in Scientology the whole incorrectly included militant policy (evil purposes) that &quot;never forgets&quot; and &quot;always evens the score&quot; with critics... then a no person really understands what Scientology is. 

So here are two huge Crashing MUs blocking virtually everyone since the earliest days: &quot;LRH&quot; and &quot;Scientology&quot;. These are both key words associated with the subject. And they are Crashing MUs. And if you want, you can add &quot;Dianetics&quot; too since LRH was busy declaring people squirrels, while engaging in the most insane out ethics imaginable. Example: with a national bestseller and thousands of people looking up to LRH as the man with the solution to planet earth, LRH was a rock star. And like any rock star or US president, he was sleeping with so many women it wasn&#039;t funny. 

Before you decide that LRH was all bad, watch the videos by Ken Uquart who knew LRH possibly better than any man living. See what he says about LRH, because he knew both sides. LRH was not a sociopath, but he was out ethics. And anyone who tried to get his ethics in got shit canned by LRH&#039;s Gestapo tactics.

&quot;LRH&quot; is a crashing MU.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely remember what it was like with orgs being a friendly place and orgs bursting at the seams. Back then it was fun just to hang out in virtually any org. No reg would bother you. You could just hang out and visit. Chat with Clears or OTs. </p>
<p>It occurred to me, Mark, while reading your write up that DM has simply put in his own &#8220;ideal scene.&#8221; Consider the Int base or any place cornCOB inhabits. What do you have? A cavernous (beautifully UGLY) multi-million dollar building that is virtually empty except for 4 or 5 robotic degraded beings. That IS his &#8220;ideal scene&#8221; that apparently he thinks everyone wants. </p>
<p>I started a restudy of the Solo Course materials today, because I intend to get moving on the Bridge again. Very interesting to read KSW after reading Larry Wright&#8217;s book and even better: Bare Faced Messiah by Russell Miller. These books are utterly one-sided because they totally ignore any rightness in the tech, any value of auditing or training&#8230; however they are invaluable in that they shed light on LRH&#8217;s own hidden track of horrific and appalling out ethics, in the wake of which floated the wreckage of broken lives. </p>
<p>There is no substitute for total transparency, else nobody really can understand who or what LRH was — how he wasted thousands of dollars in the early orgs, stole from people left and right, betrayed trust, cheated on his wives, and so forth on up the track, even while he was developing auditing and breakthroughs like the Data Series. Once you know the truth about LRH — not only the good he did, but the bad — then you can start to understand who and what he actually was. THEN when you read KSW, it really becomes amazing because you can see the lies, the missed withholds, the crazy, the wrong, and also the rightness there. As Marty originally pointed out, it&#8217;s the middle path that is the right path. Scientology was neither all good nor all bad. Ditto with LRH — he was definitely not all good by a long, long stretch. And unless a person knows both sides, he really doesn&#8217;t know LRH at all. And this his &#8220;understanding&#8221; is built on unreality. </p>
<p>I have another name for &#8220;understanding&#8221; built on unreality. I call it PTSness. LRH was very suppressive to many people, and even to his own movement. It would be correct to have people naming him as a PTS item, because he could be quite cruel. </p>
<p>Eventually we will have to pick up all the shattered pieces of Scientology because the CoS is never going to do it. They can&#8217;t. They veered off the edge, went into the abyss and lost their minds. And their souls. LRH operated on a number of wrong whys that stand out clear as day in KSW. Too bad for all of us no one was ever able to get his ethics in. </p>
<p>Anyway, one of the first issues on the Solo course checksheet (from 1982) is a little issue called &#8220;Misunderstood Words and Cycles of Action.&#8221; The issue explains how misunderstood words stop cycles of action, prevent production, even prevent perception. The can lead to total organize (DM) and also to irrational demands to only produce (also DM), and in this issue LRH is really talking about Crashing MUs. </p>
<p>Have you ever tried to point out the value of something in Scientology to someone who was unable to see any value there? Perhaps that&#8217;s an example of a Crashing MU preventing perception. But what might be the Crashing MU? </p>
<p>As I mentioned, without knowing LRH&#8217;s track of overt acts — that he was violent with his first two wives (just like DM), that he went to the most extravagant lengths to defame people he feared as rivals or that he feared might expose his own out ethics, etc, — no person really knows who or what LRH was. Without knowing that LRH also instilled in Scientology the whole incorrectly included militant policy (evil purposes) that &#8220;never forgets&#8221; and &#8220;always evens the score&#8221; with critics&#8230; then a no person really understands what Scientology is. </p>
<p>So here are two huge Crashing MUs blocking virtually everyone since the earliest days: &#8220;LRH&#8221; and &#8220;Scientology&#8221;. These are both key words associated with the subject. And they are Crashing MUs. And if you want, you can add &#8220;Dianetics&#8221; too since LRH was busy declaring people squirrels, while engaging in the most insane out ethics imaginable. Example: with a national bestseller and thousands of people looking up to LRH as the man with the solution to planet earth, LRH was a rock star. And like any rock star or US president, he was sleeping with so many women it wasn&#8217;t funny. </p>
<p>Before you decide that LRH was all bad, watch the videos by Ken Uquart who knew LRH possibly better than any man living. See what he says about LRH, because he knew both sides. LRH was not a sociopath, but he was out ethics. And anyone who tried to get his ethics in got shit canned by LRH&#8217;s Gestapo tactics.</p>
<p>&#8220;LRH&#8221; is a crashing MU.</p>
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		By: Leonore		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2014 03:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, I very much am &quot;the same way.&quot;  Thanks, Mark, for your balanced comment.   To reinforce the point, I do consider the Data Series Evaluator&#039;s Course a treasure received.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I very much am &#8220;the same way.&#8221;  Thanks, Mark, for your balanced comment.   To reinforce the point, I do consider the Data Series Evaluator&#8217;s Course a treasure received.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2014 01:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/las-vegas/#comment-51377&quot;&gt;Cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

I might have figured out the problem. If you post a long one it doesn&#039;t go. So I&#039;ll try posting shorter ones.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/las-vegas/#comment-51377">Cindy</a>.</p>
<p>I might have figured out the problem. If you post a long one it doesn&#8217;t go. So I&#8217;ll try posting shorter ones.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2014 01:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/las-vegas/#comment-51313&quot;&gt;Alanzo&lt;/a&gt;.

Who needs a terminal when you can just dub in both sides of the communication?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/las-vegas/#comment-51313">Alanzo</a>.</p>
<p>Who needs a terminal when you can just dub in both sides of the communication?</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2014 01:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike none of my comments are &quot;going in&#039; the system]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike none of my comments are &#8220;going in&#8217; the system</p>
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