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		By: Jewel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Dec 2013 17:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/less-than-enthusiastic-response-to-gag-ii/#comment-28576&quot;&gt;jgg2012&lt;/a&gt;.

I am extremely happy that DM can be deposed and I would love to watch the scene in the court room.  I am concerned that he and the lawyers will manufacture all sorts of &#039;evidence&quot; and lies that will serve to &quot;prove&quot;  that he had nothing to do with the harassment. I wonder what will be allowed to serve as evidence from the defense. Will those home videos of the Squirrel Busters be allowed, because those alone show that the SQ Busters were not filming a documentary but there to harass. I am crossing my fingers that the witnesses will be able to help create the trail that flows to DM. What I see as possibly happening is that DM will be able to skirt responsibility and the lawyers will manipulate it so that someone in the church gets blamed but DM will be found innocent of the charges. I do hope that is not what happens. LRH was able to skate from his responsibility on the GO stuff, and so I&#039;m sure DM and company will find a way. Still, I really want to see the truth come out. Staff and public would have to be privy to that one as it would be a newsworthy item that even the church couldn&#039;t hide from the flock.]]></description>
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<p>I am extremely happy that DM can be deposed and I would love to watch the scene in the court room.  I am concerned that he and the lawyers will manufacture all sorts of &#8216;evidence&#8221; and lies that will serve to &#8220;prove&#8221;  that he had nothing to do with the harassment. I wonder what will be allowed to serve as evidence from the defense. Will those home videos of the Squirrel Busters be allowed, because those alone show that the SQ Busters were not filming a documentary but there to harass. I am crossing my fingers that the witnesses will be able to help create the trail that flows to DM. What I see as possibly happening is that DM will be able to skirt responsibility and the lawyers will manipulate it so that someone in the church gets blamed but DM will be found innocent of the charges. I do hope that is not what happens. LRH was able to skate from his responsibility on the GO stuff, and so I&#8217;m sure DM and company will find a way. Still, I really want to see the truth come out. Staff and public would have to be privy to that one as it would be a newsworthy item that even the church couldn&#8217;t hide from the flock.</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Dec 2013 03:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/less-than-enthusiastic-response-to-gag-ii/#comment-28709&quot;&gt;remoteviewed&lt;/a&gt;.

They look pretty straightforward to me and very applicable and useful, hence a good chance that they were actually written by LRH, but even if they weren&#039;t written by him directly, they still work, and very well.AS you say many HCOBs and other stuff weren&#039;t written by LRH but approved (or not sometimes) when they worked. But like all Scientology the actions are based on directly observable phenomena (and other similar HCOBs) in the real world that improves people&#039;s conditions, as do these 3 issues.  No, these issues were cancelled as they fire (more than) a warning shot across the bows of the &quot;new&quot; Method 4ing of Academy students which the Church are now praising as some sort of magic why for the lack of students in their Academies. Why couldn&#039;t people do the old BSM or any of the smaller checksheets on study as a gradient to the Student Hat, as in the &quot;good old days&quot; of full Academies and auditors being made?  It is of course just another arbitrary &quot;why&quot; to handle the wrong whys being found for poor Academy attendance and poor auditing by auditors. He also has a wrong public (for Scientology but not for him) in the Orgs these days - people who can watch DVDs (some of the DVDs are however very good to be fair) but cannot read books hence they are more pliable and will stump up their life savings to the regges for nothing in return and not say anything when things like the F/N definition is &quot;re-defined&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/less-than-enthusiastic-response-to-gag-ii/#comment-28709">remoteviewed</a>.</p>
<p>They look pretty straightforward to me and very applicable and useful, hence a good chance that they were actually written by LRH, but even if they weren&#8217;t written by him directly, they still work, and very well.AS you say many HCOBs and other stuff weren&#8217;t written by LRH but approved (or not sometimes) when they worked. But like all Scientology the actions are based on directly observable phenomena (and other similar HCOBs) in the real world that improves people&#8217;s conditions, as do these 3 issues.  No, these issues were cancelled as they fire (more than) a warning shot across the bows of the &#8220;new&#8221; Method 4ing of Academy students which the Church are now praising as some sort of magic why for the lack of students in their Academies. Why couldn&#8217;t people do the old BSM or any of the smaller checksheets on study as a gradient to the Student Hat, as in the &#8220;good old days&#8221; of full Academies and auditors being made?  It is of course just another arbitrary &#8220;why&#8221; to handle the wrong whys being found for poor Academy attendance and poor auditing by auditors. He also has a wrong public (for Scientology but not for him) in the Orgs these days &#8211; people who can watch DVDs (some of the DVDs are however very good to be fair) but cannot read books hence they are more pliable and will stump up their life savings to the regges for nothing in return and not say anything when things like the F/N definition is &#8220;re-defined&#8221;.</p>
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		By: remoteviewed		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Dec 2013 08:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/less-than-enthusiastic-response-to-gag-ii/#comment-28705&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

Roger that Foolproof.

Where does Miscavige get the idea that M5 and 7 weren&#039;t written by Ron?

I mean it says L Ron Hubbard on the HCOBs I got.

But even if they weren&#039;t.

Like say PTS Type A handling (written by Mary Sue), Int Series 11 (Brian Livingston I believe) and the L3RD RD (Paulette Aisely I think) they are still very workable tech and are all actually directly based as opposed to derivatively based (like say the &quot;Scientologists Handbook&quot;) on earlier LRH Tech discoveries.

I mean if the lil&#039; nimrod was so concerned about whether it was written by Ron he&#039;d have since canceled those squirrelly Life Improvement Courses.

But like everything else in the so called Church of Scientology these its just another False Flag Operation.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/less-than-enthusiastic-response-to-gag-ii/#comment-28705">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>Roger that Foolproof.</p>
<p>Where does Miscavige get the idea that M5 and 7 weren&#8217;t written by Ron?</p>
<p>I mean it says L Ron Hubbard on the HCOBs I got.</p>
<p>But even if they weren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Like say PTS Type A handling (written by Mary Sue), Int Series 11 (Brian Livingston I believe) and the L3RD RD (Paulette Aisely I think) they are still very workable tech and are all actually directly based as opposed to derivatively based (like say the &#8220;Scientologists Handbook&#8221;) on earlier LRH Tech discoveries.</p>
<p>I mean if the lil&#8217; nimrod was so concerned about whether it was written by Ron he&#8217;d have since canceled those squirrelly Life Improvement Courses.</p>
<p>But like everything else in the so called Church of Scientology these its just another False Flag Operation.</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Dec 2013 05:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/less-than-enthusiastic-response-to-gag-ii/#comment-28705&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

Actually this word &quot;tough&quot; as it is mis-applied and misunderstood (now) to course supervision is a perfect example of the Crashing Mis-U HCOB. I could hazard a good guess here and state that the misuse and misunderstanding of this one word has damaged Scientology training worldwide for decades. In a few years time if it carries on like this the Sups will be taking their students (when they exist) out to the (empty) parking lot and giving them a good thrashing whilst screaming in their faces. It has probably already happened somewhere and the EO or MAA has justified it as well - as he observed his Sups at Flag doing the same to someone - etc. etc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/less-than-enthusiastic-response-to-gag-ii/#comment-28705">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>Actually this word &#8220;tough&#8221; as it is mis-applied and misunderstood (now) to course supervision is a perfect example of the Crashing Mis-U HCOB. I could hazard a good guess here and state that the misuse and misunderstanding of this one word has damaged Scientology training worldwide for decades. In a few years time if it carries on like this the Sups will be taking their students (when they exist) out to the (empty) parking lot and giving them a good thrashing whilst screaming in their faces. It has probably already happened somewhere and the EO or MAA has justified it as well &#8211; as he observed his Sups at Flag doing the same to someone &#8211; etc. etc.</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Dec 2013 05:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/less-than-enthusiastic-response-to-gag-ii/#comment-28614&quot;&gt;remoteviewed&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes remoteviewed, Method 7 was also very useful for foreign students. I hear also that on star rate checkouts now some checkers or supervisors are asking for all the definitions of a word parrot-fashion from the dictionary and of course using it as a make-wrong when the student &quot;flunks&quot; if he/she doesn&#039;t give them. I also have heard and read that many supervisors worldwide now are treating their students as if they were &quot;enemies&quot; to be rigorously hounded and scowled at. They have learned this &quot;tough attitude&quot; from Flag and it has spread like a disease worldwide, emptying Academies and thus Orgs (as if there wasn&#039;t enough reasons to do that anyway).These sups have a Mis-U on the word &quot;tough&quot; - they think they have to be like a US Marine sergeant on the assault course or at parade. The &quot;blind leading the blind&quot; - verily! Contagion of aberration indeed! Or in other words - &quot;my supervisor at Flag behaved like a complete a**hole so that is what I must do when I return to my Org!&quot;

The cancellation of Method 5 does, as you say, raise the question of auditors clearing words on PCs, in principle at least as it is the same method but just applied in session although he will probably claim that as there is another HCOB on this (the Clearing Commands one) then that &quot;makes it alright&quot; to cancel the Word Clearing Series issue as they are not &quot;related&quot;. Actually he or whoever gave him these ideas hopes no one will notice and relate all the issues to each other! They probably won&#039;t or if they do, they &quot;keep quiet&quot; these days. This whole thing is getting a bit convoluted now but so it is when arbitraries are introduced.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/less-than-enthusiastic-response-to-gag-ii/#comment-28614">remoteviewed</a>.</p>
<p>Yes remoteviewed, Method 7 was also very useful for foreign students. I hear also that on star rate checkouts now some checkers or supervisors are asking for all the definitions of a word parrot-fashion from the dictionary and of course using it as a make-wrong when the student &#8220;flunks&#8221; if he/she doesn&#8217;t give them. I also have heard and read that many supervisors worldwide now are treating their students as if they were &#8220;enemies&#8221; to be rigorously hounded and scowled at. They have learned this &#8220;tough attitude&#8221; from Flag and it has spread like a disease worldwide, emptying Academies and thus Orgs (as if there wasn&#8217;t enough reasons to do that anyway).These sups have a Mis-U on the word &#8220;tough&#8221; &#8211; they think they have to be like a US Marine sergeant on the assault course or at parade. The &#8220;blind leading the blind&#8221; &#8211; verily! Contagion of aberration indeed! Or in other words &#8211; &#8220;my supervisor at Flag behaved like a complete a**hole so that is what I must do when I return to my Org!&#8221;</p>
<p>The cancellation of Method 5 does, as you say, raise the question of auditors clearing words on PCs, in principle at least as it is the same method but just applied in session although he will probably claim that as there is another HCOB on this (the Clearing Commands one) then that &#8220;makes it alright&#8221; to cancel the Word Clearing Series issue as they are not &#8220;related&#8221;. Actually he or whoever gave him these ideas hopes no one will notice and relate all the issues to each other! They probably won&#8217;t or if they do, they &#8220;keep quiet&#8221; these days. This whole thing is getting a bit convoluted now but so it is when arbitraries are introduced.</p>
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		By: clergyman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Dec 2013 01:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/less-than-enthusiastic-response-to-gag-ii/#comment-28587&quot;&gt;LDW&lt;/a&gt;.

Your dog is suppressive because it didn&#039;t salute his dog. Shameful disrespect. It lifted its leg, but it wasn&#039;t a salute that came out.]]></description>
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<p>Your dog is suppressive because it didn&#8217;t salute his dog. Shameful disrespect. It lifted its leg, but it wasn&#8217;t a salute that came out.</p>
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		By: scientology411		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Dec 2013 23:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/less-than-enthusiastic-response-to-gag-ii/#comment-28509&quot;&gt;CofS Exit Zone (@DatumOmNom)&lt;/a&gt;.

Interesting... I had been wondering why e-meters suddenly reappeared on eBay a while back.]]></description>
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<p>Interesting&#8230; I had been wondering why e-meters suddenly reappeared on eBay a while back.</p>
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		By: MAK		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Dec 2013 14:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/less-than-enthusiastic-response-to-gag-ii/#comment-28587&quot;&gt;LDW&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes LDW, - it is very exciting to see what is happening in the indie field.  I was talking about how sad it is in the current church. To watch what is happening in the Indie field now and personally experiencing huge wins and gains outside the church without stops is a great thing. The freedom of co audits and indie groups is starting to rekindle the feeling.]]></description>
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<p>Yes LDW, &#8211; it is very exciting to see what is happening in the indie field.  I was talking about how sad it is in the current church. To watch what is happening in the Indie field now and personally experiencing huge wins and gains outside the church without stops is a great thing. The freedom of co audits and indie groups is starting to rekindle the feeling.</p>
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		By: Formost		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Dec 2013 13:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/less-than-enthusiastic-response-to-gag-ii/#comment-28608&quot;&gt;Joe Pendleton&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The CoS ain’t disappearing. It can and probably WILL exist come the day it only has two or three thousand members worldwide. And that’s even without the real estate or money that they have. No one in the English speaking world will join up anymore. Those days are over. It doesn’t matter whether Miscavige is taken down from office soon or dies in office at 90. Who or what would replace him with any positive effect?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I agree, it no longer makes any difference who&#039;s at the helm. As far as the wavering CO$ public is concerned, the long and arbitrary tech runways and reging for other than Scientology services will pretty much ensure they&#039;ll continue to contract as they have been for the last 25+ years. Out here in Indieland, anyone can easily within their means move up the bridge without all the stops and bullshit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/less-than-enthusiastic-response-to-gag-ii/#comment-28608">Joe Pendleton</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>The CoS ain’t disappearing. It can and probably WILL exist come the day it only has two or three thousand members worldwide. And that’s even without the real estate or money that they have. No one in the English speaking world will join up anymore. Those days are over. It doesn’t matter whether Miscavige is taken down from office soon or dies in office at 90. Who or what would replace him with any positive effect?</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree, it no longer makes any difference who&#8217;s at the helm. As far as the wavering CO$ public is concerned, the long and arbitrary tech runways and reging for other than Scientology services will pretty much ensure they&#8217;ll continue to contract as they have been for the last 25+ years. Out here in Indieland, anyone can easily within their means move up the bridge without all the stops and bullshit.</p>
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		By: Bob		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Dec 2013 13:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/less-than-enthusiastic-response-to-gag-ii/#comment-28617&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, the special correspondents need to be careful with details lest DM figure out who they are....]]></description>
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<p>Yes, the special correspondents need to be careful with details lest DM figure out who they are&#8230;.</p>
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