From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_Temple_in_San_Francisco

“The Planning Commission meetings would sometimes run all night in San Francisco.[14] They often involved long “catharsis” sessions in which members would be called “on the floor” for emotional dissections, including why they were wearing nice clothes when others in the world were starving.[14] Other members were expected to accuse those “on the floor” of various disallowed activities, while the Temple considered it improper for the accused to mount a defense.[14]”

Sound familiar? Or how about this;

“The Temple also asked adults to sign papers admitting various crimes and wrongdoings, including conspiring against the U.S. government, involvement in terrorist acts and molesting their own children.[14] If such members attempted to leave the Temple, Jones threatened to release the statements.[14]”

This is eerie!

However, I think the Scientology version of it will just be many people left broke, broken and in despair.

I don’t normally comment, and am days late but had to share my thoughts on this one.

“… Let’s face it we would have been on the front lines for cannon fodder if some shit had gone down. …”

Does anyone remember the evacuation of the PAC due to “bombthreats”?

Or the protection of the HGB-building during the L.A. riots by putting Outer-Org-Trainees in front of it on Hollywood/Ivar?

Or….

Has anyone connected the dots between these pieces of information…

DM
Uwe Stuckenbrock (R.I.P; former Int security I/C)
Lou Stuckenbrock (Uwe’s former 2D)
Dieter Stuckenbrock (former second in command of the ‘soon’ to become Ideal Org Stuttgart; who isn’t allowed to get any closer to DM than a certain distance; who told people PERSONALLY, that his son Uwe – whom he had seen last in the HGB staircase by pure accident – had the best possible treatment; who revealed openly what the OT levels 3, 4 and 5 are about; who IS A MAN OF GOOD WILL but has been severly betrayed AND HAS BETRAYED; who committed and took part in enough financial irregularities that the german authorities would be interessted in etc.)
KATHRIN STUCKENBROCK (who openly admitted to have physically hit a staffmember to ‘get the point’ accross and the GI quota met; and told acceptable truths about the opening of the Ideal Org in Stuttgart in 2 weeks… That was before 2007…)
HERBERT & SUSANNE MARKS (who donated quite some money under false pretense and helped getting others to do the same by telling ‘acceptable truths’…)
STOCKHAUSEN-FISCHER (who should open the first ‘Ideal Mission’ and the financial situation they are involved in regarding the OLD Org, TEMPORARY Org and now the ‘very very soon to be opened Ideal Org; their families and their TRUE opinion of DM and the Cult…)
TONI EGERT (who did the spying on a big critic and had to repaint his beige Golf blue; his connection to the german police; his connection to OSA…)
KORELL (ED; the Out-PR-situation with the kids; all the broken promises though having had a walk privately with DM himself…)

LET’S GET EVERYTHING IN A RIGHT PERSPECTIVE – THEY A-R-E PEOPLE OF GOOD INTENT (per TWTH) BUT THEY HAVE BEEN BETRAYED AND HAVE CROSSED A CERTAIN THRESHHOLD, THAT IS N-O-T ACCEPTABLE AND TOLERABLE ANYMORE.

This is ONE ethicsgradient.

True facts ARE NOT lies and are NOT nattering!

THANK YOU FOR ALL THE POSITIVE YOU HAVE DONE! YOU HAVE HELPED PEOPLE IN THE PAST – ACTUALLY VERY MUCH INDEED. BUT THE END DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS; AND EVERYONE I-S THE 8 DYNAMICS – NOT ONLY THE 3rd!!!

Edge, Clearwater will get their city back. At the rate COS is shrinking, all that real estate will be empty soon enough and then up for sale.

KFrancis – while I do believe that LRH DID have the basic intention to help and that the discoveries he made are still helpful to us and to new people who discover it, in it’s original form, what did happen back then and what would have been if he still lived are truly, IMHO, a chicken and egg discussion.

LRH had his overts and I believe those overts drove him a little (or a lot) nutty. Could he have run the ship in the condition he was in, later in life? I’m not so sure.

But also, you have the factors of DM and Pat Broeker fighting for their own power and control over the organization. LRH had become a frail and befuddled old guy. How much would it have taken for a controlling little freak like DM to purposely push the Old Man over the edge?

Look what DM and the boys did to Mary Sue and the family after Ron died. Despicable.

http://www.xenu-directory.net/mirrors/www.whyaretheydead.net/krasel/aff_jp990317.html

http://www.scientology-cult.com/marty-rathbun/374-how-david-miscavige-crushed-l-ron-hubbards-family.html

So, who is to say what would have happened today if LRH was running the ship. I can pretty much guarantee that, even if LRH wasn’t here, it would have been WAY better without the SP Miscavige.

Aquamarine – I have always loved your viewpoints and how eloquently you express them. Thank you.

thank God for Psychiarty without that would we never had had Engrams, secondaries and locks would we rotten old Hubbard eh!

It so sad when people haven’t even run an engram and actually touched the bank that is destroying them feel they are qualified to rubbish a subject they cannot ever hope to comprhend let alone use to help themselves and their fellow beings.

I appreciate that are there are many people that cannot make case gain or TA.

There are many reasons for this, out Tech, out Ethics, PTS’ness, etc etc.

But there are others as in C/S series 22 that only want the world to burn.

Why do such types just go and find some death cult blog to go an moan at?