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		By: SunnyV		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I happen to live in one of those &quot;DONE&quot; states shown on the map.  Oddly enough about three weeks ago I was in the main branch of the downtown library in the capital city of my state.  I read a lot of non-fiction so I&#039;m pretty familiar with that floor of the library, and the religion/ self-help aisle are nearby the history section I&#039;m always perusing.  I checked the religion/sociology to see if any new Scientology books had been added. (Three years ago I had checked there to see what CoS books were available when the cult was making similar claims about the entire nation&#039;s libraries being done on the basics, or some such BS. I had searched the computers for &quot;Scientology&quot; and Hubbard and saw all such books were to be found in this one section.)  

As of three months ago my &quot;Done&quot; state still had exactly two books by L. Ron Hubbard/Bridge Publications/CoS, etc...  One was &quot;What is Scientology&quot; a big glossy book from the early 1990s. I love seeing that book because its full of SPs - Tory Magoo is featured as a model scientologist, with a photo and interview in the book. The other books is &quot;Have you lived before&quot; circa 1970 or so, with the old mono-colored vinyl covers that were the hallmark of &quot;library editions&quot; in the 60&#039;s and 70&#039;s.  

Since these books were so old they still had the cards in the back where you could see how many times the book had been checked out in the past and when.  For &quot;Have you lived before&quot; it had been checked out about 4 times in the last 40 years, the last time being in 1982 or so.  The WIS had never been checked out and still has that super stiff spine of a book that&#039;s rarely ever been opened. 

That was the entirety of the library&#039;s collection on Scientology or books by or based on the works by L. Ron Hubbard. This is the largest public library, in the largest city of a DONE state on that map.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happen to live in one of those &#8220;DONE&#8221; states shown on the map.  Oddly enough about three weeks ago I was in the main branch of the downtown library in the capital city of my state.  I read a lot of non-fiction so I&#8217;m pretty familiar with that floor of the library, and the religion/ self-help aisle are nearby the history section I&#8217;m always perusing.  I checked the religion/sociology to see if any new Scientology books had been added. (Three years ago I had checked there to see what CoS books were available when the cult was making similar claims about the entire nation&#8217;s libraries being done on the basics, or some such BS. I had searched the computers for &#8220;Scientology&#8221; and Hubbard and saw all such books were to be found in this one section.)  </p>
<p>As of three months ago my &#8220;Done&#8221; state still had exactly two books by L. Ron Hubbard/Bridge Publications/CoS, etc&#8230;  One was &#8220;What is Scientology&#8221; a big glossy book from the early 1990s. I love seeing that book because its full of SPs &#8211; Tory Magoo is featured as a model scientologist, with a photo and interview in the book. The other books is &#8220;Have you lived before&#8221; circa 1970 or so, with the old mono-colored vinyl covers that were the hallmark of &#8220;library editions&#8221; in the 60&#8217;s and 70&#8217;s.  </p>
<p>Since these books were so old they still had the cards in the back where you could see how many times the book had been checked out in the past and when.  For &#8220;Have you lived before&#8221; it had been checked out about 4 times in the last 40 years, the last time being in 1982 or so.  The WIS had never been checked out and still has that super stiff spine of a book that&#8217;s rarely ever been opened. </p>
<p>That was the entirety of the library&#8217;s collection on Scientology or books by or based on the works by L. Ron Hubbard. This is the largest public library, in the largest city of a DONE state on that map.</p>
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		By: Time Out		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/library-campaign-still-being-flogged/#comment-61015</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2014 01:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/library-campaign-still-being-flogged/#comment-60911&quot;&gt;tony-b&lt;/a&gt;.

Fair enough comment. 

To go one with this. The purification rundown has been delivered on 2 different systems - one where the person does 5 hours a day. This is the one LRH gives and says is the correct one. The other system is an shortened one, where the person does it 2.5 hours a day-supposedly lesser effectivness.I think there is probably a huge difference between the two different moduies. If you go and do 30 minutes warm up exercise and then 2 hours of sauna, broekn up by cold showers, you probably feel very cleansed afterwards. If you do 30 miunutes warm up and 4 hours of sauna after, you probably get wrung out pretty badly. 

But whatever, whatever, whatever. My point is that the problem is not the process or procedure. It is the lies on top of lies on top of lies. And the total unwillingness of sicentology to spend the money to do proper scientific testing. Who the F@ knows if this s$%t works. There is NO scientific evidence one way or the other. Everything, pro and con, is anecdoatal and guesstimate. 

So I think we should skip judgements on the process and instead focus on the lies. Thats my point. Nothing more. 

Well, I also think that this blog is provided by one man&#039;s blood sweat and tears - free for everyone except Mike Rinder, a man who gets a lot of appreciation from many people and very little monetary support from very few people. I do what I can, which is very damned little. But if everyone who read this blog did as much as me, scientology would be dead and buried.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/library-campaign-still-being-flogged/#comment-60911">tony-b</a>.</p>
<p>Fair enough comment. </p>
<p>To go one with this. The purification rundown has been delivered on 2 different systems &#8211; one where the person does 5 hours a day. This is the one LRH gives and says is the correct one. The other system is an shortened one, where the person does it 2.5 hours a day-supposedly lesser effectivness.I think there is probably a huge difference between the two different moduies. If you go and do 30 minutes warm up exercise and then 2 hours of sauna, broekn up by cold showers, you probably feel very cleansed afterwards. If you do 30 miunutes warm up and 4 hours of sauna after, you probably get wrung out pretty badly. </p>
<p>But whatever, whatever, whatever. My point is that the problem is not the process or procedure. It is the lies on top of lies on top of lies. And the total unwillingness of sicentology to spend the money to do proper scientific testing. Who the F@ knows if this s$%t works. There is NO scientific evidence one way or the other. Everything, pro and con, is anecdoatal and guesstimate. </p>
<p>So I think we should skip judgements on the process and instead focus on the lies. Thats my point. Nothing more. </p>
<p>Well, I also think that this blog is provided by one man&#8217;s blood sweat and tears &#8211; free for everyone except Mike Rinder, a man who gets a lot of appreciation from many people and very little monetary support from very few people. I do what I can, which is very damned little. But if everyone who read this blog did as much as me, scientology would be dead and buried.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2014 23:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/library-campaign-still-being-flogged/#comment-61009&quot;&gt;MJ&lt;/a&gt;.

Take a seat MJ.

Are you sitting down now?

The short (and long) answer to your question is: &quot;Yes.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/library-campaign-still-being-flogged/#comment-61009">MJ</a>.</p>
<p>Take a seat MJ.</p>
<p>Are you sitting down now?</p>
<p>The short (and long) answer to your question is: &#8220;Yes.&#8221;</p>
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		By: MJ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2014 23:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/library-campaign-still-being-flogged/#comment-60936&quot;&gt;Janet Ann&lt;/a&gt;.

You mean to tell me they&#039;re actually twisting the facts?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/library-campaign-still-being-flogged/#comment-60936">Janet Ann</a>.</p>
<p>You mean to tell me they&#8217;re actually twisting the facts?</p>
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		By: MJ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2014 23:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/library-campaign-still-being-flogged/#comment-60930&quot;&gt;sidney18511&lt;/a&gt;.

Where&#039;s the money in that?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/library-campaign-still-being-flogged/#comment-60930">sidney18511</a>.</p>
<p>Where&#8217;s the money in that?</p>
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		By: Janet Ann		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/library-campaign-still-being-flogged/#comment-60985</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2014 17:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/library-campaign-still-being-flogged/#comment-60949&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Happy to help!]]></description>
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<p>Happy to help!</p>
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		By: Rick Mycroft		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/library-campaign-still-being-flogged/#comment-60968</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2014 15:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/library-campaign-still-being-flogged/#comment-60882&quot;&gt;Semper Phi&lt;/a&gt;.

The problem would be where to file CBCM. Certainly not under 615 or even 619. Probably under 001.9 with UFOs and Big Foot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/library-campaign-still-being-flogged/#comment-60882">Semper Phi</a>.</p>
<p>The problem would be where to file CBCM. Certainly not under 615 or even 619. Probably under 001.9 with UFOs and Big Foot.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2014 15:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/library-campaign-still-being-flogged/#comment-60848&quot;&gt;MJ&lt;/a&gt;.

When I read that speech I swear I heard good old Dan Sherman&#039;s voice delivering it.  That writing style is so easy to spot as his.  I bet if Danny got sick and couldn&#039;t write a speech for DM, that DM would stand at the podium and stutter and comm lag and couldn&#039;t come up with anything to say.  It&#039;s just one big ventriloquism act in the C of S.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/library-campaign-still-being-flogged/#comment-60848">MJ</a>.</p>
<p>When I read that speech I swear I heard good old Dan Sherman&#8217;s voice delivering it.  That writing style is so easy to spot as his.  I bet if Danny got sick and couldn&#8217;t write a speech for DM, that DM would stand at the podium and stutter and comm lag and couldn&#8217;t come up with anything to say.  It&#8217;s just one big ventriloquism act in the C of S.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2014 15:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/library-campaign-still-being-flogged/#comment-60877&quot;&gt;Quaoar&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;In Defense of Food&quot; is by Michael Pollan; not Michael Lewis.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/library-campaign-still-being-flogged/#comment-60877">Quaoar</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;In Defense of Food&#8221; is by Michael Pollan; not Michael Lewis.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2014 14:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/library-campaign-still-being-flogged/#comment-60936&quot;&gt;Janet Ann&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the report Janet Ann. You reconfirm what is well known to everyone in the world EXCEPT those who keep handing over money for more books to go to libraries.]]></description>
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<p>Thanks for the report Janet Ann. You reconfirm what is well known to everyone in the world EXCEPT those who keep handing over money for more books to go to libraries.</p>
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