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		By: Tiny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tiny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jan 2020 06:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/london-ideal-org-still-failing-after-all-these-years/#comment-198444&quot;&gt;mwesten&lt;/a&gt;.

I hope that they all ‘wognite’ soon and realised of the wrongs they did to people because of this org’s policies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/london-ideal-org-still-failing-after-all-these-years/#comment-198444">mwesten</a>.</p>
<p>I hope that they all ‘wognite’ soon and realised of the wrongs they did to people because of this org’s policies.</p>
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		By: Wynski		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wynski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2017 13:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/london-ideal-org-still-failing-after-all-these-years/#comment-198948&quot;&gt;Interested Party&lt;/a&gt;.

It is always nice when a complete moron (aka scamologists) comes along to prove how stupid they really are to the rest of the word.  

Thanks Interested Party.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/london-ideal-org-still-failing-after-all-these-years/#comment-198948">Interested Party</a>.</p>
<p>It is always nice when a complete moron (aka scamologists) comes along to prove how stupid they really are to the rest of the word.  </p>
<p>Thanks Interested Party.</p>
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		By: Moxie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moxie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2017 13:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/london-ideal-org-still-failing-after-all-these-years/#comment-198948&quot;&gt;Interested Party&lt;/a&gt;.

Welcome back OSA!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/london-ideal-org-still-failing-after-all-these-years/#comment-198948">Interested Party</a>.</p>
<p>Welcome back OSA!</p>
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		By: Interested Party		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Interested Party]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2017 12:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/london-ideal-org-still-failing-after-all-these-years/#comment-198390&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

Because they no longer follow policy, and LRH was doing vital research and could not oversea 100&#039;s of Orgs.

But then he must be criticised and bullied for that of course.

I forgot this is an anti Scientology blog filled with people who never understood the Tech and some not ever read anything]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/london-ideal-org-still-failing-after-all-these-years/#comment-198390">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>Because they no longer follow policy, and LRH was doing vital research and could not oversea 100&#8217;s of Orgs.</p>
<p>But then he must be criticised and bullied for that of course.</p>
<p>I forgot this is an anti Scientology blog filled with people who never understood the Tech and some not ever read anything</p>
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		By: secretfornow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[secretfornow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2017 07:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/london-ideal-org-still-failing-after-all-these-years/#comment-198615&quot;&gt;Paul Cocovinis&lt;/a&gt;.

I was visiting an &quot;Ideal Org&quot; at a recent unspecified time....and most of the floors were just dark ....including....(drum roll.....) ...the DIV SIX FLOOR!

Yep,that&#039;s right folks, we&#039;re so big and fat we can have a whole FLOOR for Div 6... to keep...dark.

............

I&#039;ve got Div 6 history, and it ain&#039;t nuthin like this.  :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/london-ideal-org-still-failing-after-all-these-years/#comment-198615">Paul Cocovinis</a>.</p>
<p>I was visiting an &#8220;Ideal Org&#8221; at a recent unspecified time&#8230;.and most of the floors were just dark &#8230;.including&#8230;.(drum roll&#8230;..) &#8230;the DIV SIX FLOOR!</p>
<p>Yep,that&#8217;s right folks, we&#8217;re so big and fat we can have a whole FLOOR for Div 6&#8230; to keep&#8230;dark.</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got Div 6 history, and it ain&#8217;t nuthin like this.  🙂</p>
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		By: Paul Cocovinis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Cocovinis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2017 22:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/london-ideal-org-still-failing-after-all-these-years/#comment-198465&quot;&gt;secretfornow&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m pretty sure the miserable git was me! (Now they all &#039;know&#039; why too.) 
Graham&#039;s ok - I just can&#039;t for the life of me figure out what he&#039;s still doing there...trying to fit in with all those young whipper-snappers? 
A brief peruse of their FB page will tell you London has actually become a staff clinic which  they even seem happy to promote, albiet unwittingly. 
And most of the staff are indeed second gen ex-Greenfielders (largely on Day) harvested almost exclusively from the Milton, Calcioli and Wakley families. And a large percentage of the rest commute up from East Grinstead.
I was very recently working nearby the Test Centre and they obviously mean business here now as there&#039;s been a noticeable staff increase. Day are up to around 4 or 5 on any given day and Fdn are now stably staffed by 2 (which is of course a 100% increase to boast about if you&#039;re drunk on the koolaid). 
Of the 7 beautifully renovated floors in this place, which includes fully equipped seminar spaces, courserooms and testing area, the only floor that is actually being put to any use really is the ground floor - everything above that is completely unutilized and the basement testing space is rarely troubled these days, as are the film rooms out the back.
And the Div 6 graphs are noticeably absent in this promotion piece which tells you everything. 
And what&#039;s happened to former Day ED and OTVIII, Sharon Kloss? Replaced by one of the Milton kids, who I&#039;m pretty sure is nowhere near the same case level and is certainly far less experienced. 
But they seem so happy in their delusion and that makes me kind of sad.
I remember being drilled on feeling pity for those poor lost and ignorant public out there who were yet to discover the marvels of LRH and scn. Now my only pity is for them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/london-ideal-org-still-failing-after-all-these-years/#comment-198465">secretfornow</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure the miserable git was me! (Now they all &#8216;know&#8217; why too.)<br />
Graham&#8217;s ok &#8211; I just can&#8217;t for the life of me figure out what he&#8217;s still doing there&#8230;trying to fit in with all those young whipper-snappers?<br />
A brief peruse of their FB page will tell you London has actually become a staff clinic which  they even seem happy to promote, albiet unwittingly.<br />
And most of the staff are indeed second gen ex-Greenfielders (largely on Day) harvested almost exclusively from the Milton, Calcioli and Wakley families. And a large percentage of the rest commute up from East Grinstead.<br />
I was very recently working nearby the Test Centre and they obviously mean business here now as there&#8217;s been a noticeable staff increase. Day are up to around 4 or 5 on any given day and Fdn are now stably staffed by 2 (which is of course a 100% increase to boast about if you&#8217;re drunk on the koolaid).<br />
Of the 7 beautifully renovated floors in this place, which includes fully equipped seminar spaces, courserooms and testing area, the only floor that is actually being put to any use really is the ground floor &#8211; everything above that is completely unutilized and the basement testing space is rarely troubled these days, as are the film rooms out the back.<br />
And the Div 6 graphs are noticeably absent in this promotion piece which tells you everything.<br />
And what&#8217;s happened to former Day ED and OTVIII, Sharon Kloss? Replaced by one of the Milton kids, who I&#8217;m pretty sure is nowhere near the same case level and is certainly far less experienced.<br />
But they seem so happy in their delusion and that makes me kind of sad.<br />
I remember being drilled on feeling pity for those poor lost and ignorant public out there who were yet to discover the marvels of LRH and scn. Now my only pity is for them.</p>
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		By: mwesten		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mwesten]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2017 12:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/london-ideal-org-still-failing-after-all-these-years/#comment-198465&quot;&gt;secretfornow&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m sure he&#039;s a good egg, really. I was a vicious a-hole too at times. Not everyone out there finds me as lovely as I think I am. ;)]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;s a good egg, really. I was a vicious a-hole too at times. Not everyone out there finds me as lovely as I think I am. 😉</p>
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		By: WillieO		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WillieO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2017 05:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/london-ideal-org-still-failing-after-all-these-years/#comment-198443&quot;&gt;R.G.&lt;/a&gt;.

Your rude comment about MJ Fox&#039;s signature is not in line with the intent of this site or the message of this blog thread. Shame on you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/london-ideal-org-still-failing-after-all-these-years/#comment-198443">R.G.</a>.</p>
<p>Your rude comment about MJ Fox&#8217;s signature is not in line with the intent of this site or the message of this blog thread. Shame on you.</p>
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		By: Donald King		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald King]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2017 23:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I took a look in the Queen Victoria Street building a few years ago.  There was a single receptionist sitting behind a desk on the palatial ground floor.  I asked if I might go on a trip around the building.  The receptionist phoned someone else, and I heard myself being described as a &#039;walk-in.&#039;  

After a brief wait, a short middle-aged lady descended the magnificent staircase (which looked as if it belonged in &#039;Sunset Boulevard&#039;).  She then showed me around the first storey; no one else was in sight.  I was left to wander around on my own: there were the usual &#039;basic books,&#039; and lots of free pamphlets and DVDs about the evils of psychiatry.  I picked up all the freebies I was not already familiar with.  

After a while, my guide returned.  I asked her how long she had been a Scientologist.  She said proudly, &#039;35 years.&#039;  This meant she had joined shortly after the death of Hubbard.  What surprised me was the complete lack of interest she showed in trying to sell me anything, tell me about LRH or Scientology, or invite me to try a free personality test.  Maybe, I thought, they make a bit more effort at the old Tottenham Court Road building.  

She asked me suspiciously if I was a journalist.  (I am not, and was not then.)  I got the impression that she was secretly thinking, &#039;Who would actually just walk in here and ask to look around but a journalist?&#039;  I would have liked to look around the higher floors, but that was obviously not on the cards.  

Then she muttered, with less enthusiasm than a dental patient being told they needed a root canal operation, &#039;Perhaps you might like doing a course...&#039;  This idea was taken no further by either of us, so I shook her hand and escaped, unshriven, into Queen Victoria Street.  As I was saying goodbye to her, a group of 4 or 5 people came in, who she waved at.  They were obviously real Scientologists of some sort.

I thought: if I were a committed Scientologist and I really believed in LRH&#039;s spiritual technology, I would be asking my leaders (or rather My Leader) what he actually did with my contributions, and complaining about the lack of energy and enthusiasm shown by my fellow Scientologists at the QVS building.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took a look in the Queen Victoria Street building a few years ago.  There was a single receptionist sitting behind a desk on the palatial ground floor.  I asked if I might go on a trip around the building.  The receptionist phoned someone else, and I heard myself being described as a &#8216;walk-in.&#8217;  </p>
<p>After a brief wait, a short middle-aged lady descended the magnificent staircase (which looked as if it belonged in &#8216;Sunset Boulevard&#8217;).  She then showed me around the first storey; no one else was in sight.  I was left to wander around on my own: there were the usual &#8216;basic books,&#8217; and lots of free pamphlets and DVDs about the evils of psychiatry.  I picked up all the freebies I was not already familiar with.  </p>
<p>After a while, my guide returned.  I asked her how long she had been a Scientologist.  She said proudly, &#8217;35 years.&#8217;  This meant she had joined shortly after the death of Hubbard.  What surprised me was the complete lack of interest she showed in trying to sell me anything, tell me about LRH or Scientology, or invite me to try a free personality test.  Maybe, I thought, they make a bit more effort at the old Tottenham Court Road building.  </p>
<p>She asked me suspiciously if I was a journalist.  (I am not, and was not then.)  I got the impression that she was secretly thinking, &#8216;Who would actually just walk in here and ask to look around but a journalist?&#8217;  I would have liked to look around the higher floors, but that was obviously not on the cards.  </p>
<p>Then she muttered, with less enthusiasm than a dental patient being told they needed a root canal operation, &#8216;Perhaps you might like doing a course&#8230;&#8217;  This idea was taken no further by either of us, so I shook her hand and escaped, unshriven, into Queen Victoria Street.  As I was saying goodbye to her, a group of 4 or 5 people came in, who she waved at.  They were obviously real Scientologists of some sort.</p>
<p>I thought: if I were a committed Scientologist and I really believed in LRH&#8217;s spiritual technology, I would be asking my leaders (or rather My Leader) what he actually did with my contributions, and complaining about the lack of energy and enthusiasm shown by my fellow Scientologists at the QVS building.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2017 19:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/london-ideal-org-still-failing-after-all-these-years/#comment-198428&quot;&gt;freemindsfreehearts&lt;/a&gt;.

freemindsfreehearts, that was indeed quite an audacious and courageous act!   Thank you!  I don&#039;t know where you live but no matter where that is,  based on my experience with them, consider yourself an Honorary New Yorker now, and if you already reside in that state,  then your status has just been  elevated to Meritorius :)]]></description>
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<p>freemindsfreehearts, that was indeed quite an audacious and courageous act!   Thank you!  I don&#8217;t know where you live but no matter where that is,  based on my experience with them, consider yourself an Honorary New Yorker now, and if you already reside in that state,  then your status has just been  elevated to Meritorius 🙂</p>
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