Exactly, Dead Men Tell No Tales Bill Straass, give it to me straight.

Robbers used to use a gun to get money. It was overt and right out there. “Give me all your money or I will blow your head off. I actually prefer this approach to the 1.1 idea that it is for YOUR benefit that we are robbing you.

Welll – after reading it so many times, I had such clear mental pictures of how they all looked, and how the landscape looked, etc. Plus they left some good stuff out and changed things. I thought the movies were exceptionally well done, (New Zealand! Yess!!!) but still prefer the books. Movie makers really can’t please book lovers. Witness the Harry Potter series – much the same thing.

For the love of money is the root of all evil. Miscavige is up to his friggin pompador top in his love of money, thus his evilness.

Yes, but to argue like Sci’s over imaginary mythology my point was IF they had kept going (like in the sci art) they would have gone over the falls! Didn’t like the movie? WHAT?

Dead Men Tell No Tales Bill Straass — I hear you. With a C of S registrar or fundraiser, if you are a person with availability on your credit card, that rege can lay down pretty heavy that, if you omit to let a person (even a complete stranger) use YOUR CARD for THEIR IMMEDIATE DONATION, you are committing a big sin of omission. It is precisely as you express.

Yet, in one of the many “this defies all logic” practices, the C of S never extends credit to anyone themselves. I think one exception might be a person can enter a Qualifications action, which may be some on the e-meter and some off the meter, on an “open invoice.” You will pay following your Qual action, billed at $75 to 90 per hour.

But, for the rest (the other 99.5%) of the money transactions: with these spaghetti junction style commands toward org staff and public granting credit availability to others, C of S spawns pint-size credit unions/lenders. Individuals are now (greatly to their surprise) having to operate, maybe for a decade or more, as the “financial institution of last resort” while they struggle to collect from that person (or persons) to whom they “lent” for a C of S donation. I say “greatly to their surprise” because usually these requests are accompanied by a written promise to pay, which is a grandiose plan for the person to pay within a short amount of time owing to all they will attract or “pull in” (positive) as a result of making a big donation.

There are some few who say no to these requests. I think they must be former bankers or similar. Even in the cloud of C of S pressure and manipulation, these rare individuals recognize a credit risk when they see one. (Good observation of the obvious.) If the person asking (begging) for credit at the registrar’s desk were NOT a factual credit risk, they would have already secured their OWN credit through the usual channels.

I do not clearly see a term for this practice, this thoroughly manmade compounded crazy complexity. “1.1” seems too good of a tone level assignment for this C of S practice. After getting out—where I thought this credit craziness was an outlier type experience—I have learned this is the common practice across the world wherever Scientology organizations are operating.

Is it possible for a group to be “a narcissistic group” as an entity, as a whole? That is what this behavior speaks to. The “fuel” is that which feeds a superiorly self-important “absorb and suck everything up around me/us” hardwiring or personal software. If software, there is hope, because one day, such a person operating in this dense cloud may be able to spot it and uninstall.

Otherwise, if it is so damn important to immediately plunk down $30,000 or $50,000 or $80,000 and the person does not have it, going with that importance, LRH would have laid out a division of credit to take care of this on the spot. Except he didn’t. And you can’t have both: it is super urgently important to pay us (this minute) AND as an organization we don’t extend credit. It’s a failure to #PickALane.

I did a variation of this in my last comm with the Freewinds. I said “”I’ll be back” like Arnold Schwartzenegger in “The Terminator”.
Of course, I was expected to die so I had to pry open my coffin and “Get Out”.

Dear Peridot: Realize also that while they say that it is your responsibility for allowing another to put their donations on your card; The Very Same Terminal will say that You are fully responsible if that person fails to make it up the Bridge after You refused to let him use Your Card.
Later they refined this to just using your card without your permission; knowing that you are unlikely to do anything about it and risk being declared and disconnected from. I do not have this problem as I am not connected to anyone not already declared.

Rip, sir,
I was FSO staff in 1980.
We had a target, I believe from LRH to generate enough income to keep the orgs going for 2 years without any income from the orgs. The trial with Mary Sue and the GO was ongoing and LRH probably thought that the government might shut all of the orgs down. It was FSO alone that was supposed to save the day by providing enough green to keep everyone going. KSW was pushed hard in order to deliver what was promised and keep the income going.
Then the dwarfenfuehrer came along and handled all of that. He gets money and promises nothing. He can’t be sued for no delivery as he promises nothing and delivers what he promised. He makes people promise not to sue in exchange for taking all of their money. If they say that that is not per LRH he declares them.
He has proven himself to be smarter than LRH and so took it upon himself to make up for Ron’s shortcomings by being the new Source.
Heil Miscaviage!