WhatWall: “Perhaps an accurate assessment of LRH and his work can only be obtained by studying the chronology of his life in reverse.”

Also study the assessments of people like Joe Pendleton, who has stated he was a C/S for many years. Training and experience (especially experience) with the tech and its results would give a much broader base for assessment of both the tech and LRH. Even if you want to give most or all of the credit to others (as some like to do), it was LRH who held it all together and was the driving force. That says something about his intention regardless of his 1st dynamic intentions, IMO.

Joe Pendleton, I always enjoy your posts. You said ” The mistake some of you make is that you look at LRH as just ONE thing, you see just ONE intention …”

LRH was certainly a more complex character than Snidely Whiplash. It’s been a ten year process (still ongoing) for me to unravel my participation in the cult of Scientology and my unquestioning allegiance to L. Ron Hubbard. This comment is part of that process.

The fact that some of his Scientology concepts are useful to me and some of the therapies worked for me (especially the pre-OT portion of the Bridge) prevent me from writing him off as a simple charlatan.

It’s difficult to reconcile the numerous contradictions of the man & his life, such as:
– great personal charm (at times)
– signs of high IQ
– narcissistic behavior
– paranoid behavior
– bipolar behavior
– extreme avarice
– extensive codification of concepts & therapies
– voluminous writings & lectures
– theft of concepts & therapies from others
– amoral financial dealings
– his treatment of his wives & children
– his final days

Perhaps an accurate assessment of LRH and his work can only be obtained by studying the chronology of his life in reverse.

Right now I can’t recommend Scientology to anyone, regard it as a poisonous subject and point it out to others as such.

You do remember that I’m Scottish, don’t you, Doug? Five bucks is a small fortune for me…

Ah! Now that makes sense!

OSD, we are gaining wisdom as we age. You are just demonstrating it.

Joe, you knew most of us when in and knew our attitude then? REALLY? Docs of that or or admit you are just a liar.

When I was a wrestler I won 54 matches and lost 40, this does not
come close. One guy on the team who was very good became a U S Army Brigadier General (Two Stars)
Muhammed Ali got three I believe, but it takes a toll.

“The problem with y’all who consider only ONE SIDE or intention of LRH is that this is the EXACT SAME attitude most of you had when you were still in Scientology …. you STILL have it, but only on the flip side. The mistake some of you make is that you look at LRH as just ONE thing, you see just ONE intention … ”

Well said, Joe. Some people have just changed their cult membership to a different cult.

But OSD you would be much more at cause over the waves if you gave a sizeable donation to the IAS.

I was never in, and I hate the son of a bitch with the fury of a thousand suns for demonizing LGBTs and psychiatry, for faking his service record, and for justifying damaging actions like the Putrif by claiming he was a scientist. I feel I came to my hatred honestly.