I hear you, Winski. I would add another possibility to your list of two : “They are blindly stupid” !!!

They apparently do not understand that “Standard Tech” is following Scn EXACTLY AS WRITTEN or it isn’t “Standard Tech” at all per el con’s criteria. For example, Dani would never ever force a “PTS” public to “either handle his situation or risk being declared an SP” as LRH wrote as part of his policies on “Suppressive Acts”. In fact, Dani won’t force any public to ANYTHING at all, and he does not stress Ethics handlings based on Scn policies. Is that “Standard Tech” ? Not AT ALL. It might be workable tech, but it is certainly not “strictly LRH”.

And there are dozens more of examples like the above ones, where many parts of Scn, specially Admin and Ethics policies, are NOT being followed by Freezoners as they do not agree with them. But were LRH alive, he would have declare them ALL as ” Squirrels”, and I challenge any KSW Scientologist out there including Dani to prove me wrong on that. LRH would have declare them as Squirrels; PERIOD!!!

But Marildi would never EVER accept that as she suffers from the deadly “I am always right” disease. Such a pity; a VERY smart individual wasting her potential due to the unwillingness to learn from her mistakes in life. But that’s a quality that most Scientologists share : a stubborn blindness.

Thetaclear: “Freezoners stopped following strictly LRH materials, a VERY long time ago, Marildi.”

Marildi : “That isn’t true of all freezone groups.”

I never said, ALL Freezone groups, and I DID say “strictly”, meaning that even though they might practice pure LRH, they ALSO practice a lot of other things which include WIDE variations of Scn’s Tech.

Marildi : “Here’s a link to another video of the “2016 FreeZone Convention.” In the early part of it, the speaker makes it clear that their members strictly follow LRH materials.”

I don’t care what the speaker asserted in that convention; his speech doesn’t change the ACTUAL facts which you can verify by just entering the official Freezone Website. Do your research properly instead of compulsively attempting to “win” arguments as it is your normal operating basis. Rey Robles, btw, is considered as one of the “biggest squirrels” by the MS2 people, SPECIALLY by Chris Black. I have his EXACT quote.

Marildi : “Actually, I wouldn’t doubt that, because of societal attitudes and treatment of homosexuals back in the ’50s, a lot of them at the time were suppressed into the covert hostility level of the tone scale.”

That’s a justification, even though there might be some truth in it. A VERY large percentage of the population – including me, very much – is guilty of considering the homosexuals as “aberrated” or “mentally deviated”. But most of us evolved with society’s new understanding of human psychology. LRH however, remained STUCK in SO many issues including this subject of homosexuality.

That he wrote ” 2D Rules”, does not change necessarily his beliefs about what he considered as “normal sexual conduct”. He merely wrote that bulletin as he considered – which he put it in WRITING – that it is a waste of time to take auditing hours to handle people’s alleged ” sexual deviations”, as the 2D according to him, was full of deep-seated “aberrations” which could “ONLY” be handled “very high on the Bridge”. He didn’t write ” 2D Rules” because he necessarily understood that such and such conduct was morally all right. He just didn’t want to waste time handling a deep-seated, very hard to handle 2nd Dynamic issues ; this according to him, of course; I don’t share LRH’s beliefs on that, and in almost everything else for that matter.

Marildi : “In any case, whether LRH was right or wrong back then about homosexuals being 1.1 and aberrated – it still wouldn’t alter the way the tech is applied.”

The problem with you, Marildi, is that you just CAN’T publicly accept a wrong conduct/view from LRH, as evidenced by your above comment. You never EVER say “LRH was wrong in such and such things” which I am sure you KNOW that he was wrong about MANY things. And this makes you look cultic about it, and even child-like.

People are upset with LRH/Scn because Scientologists NEVER EVER acknowledge their BPC about things that they are TOTALLY justified in feeling BPCed about. Then the charge never blows. I have tried to get you to understand the ENORMOUS simplicity of that datum to NO AVAIL. Ignore people’s originations at your own peril, Marildi. Be honest and just and INDICATE the correct BPC which LRH created by his misguided ideas and suppressive policies. One can still USE Scn and at the same time indicate the wrongness in it, which is quite a lot. You KNOW this. Yet, you as well as the KSW Scientologists, heavily resist accepting it PUBLICLY.

That’s why I gave up on you and on KSW hard-core Scientologists like the MS2 people. Because you are FAILING in your moral duty as a human being, which should ALWAYS foster Human Rights, and fight against, protest, and acknowledge all and every violations of such rights. That’s why I lost any respect and compasion for you guys and gals. Because NONE of you are worthy of it. You guys betrayed human kind by your stupid silence and fixed ideas and dramatizations of “I am right”.

Marildi : “The Dror Center, for example, practices what they consider to be standard LRH tech, in spite of any disagreements with LRH – which is an indication that whatever LRH may have stated about homosexuals is irrelevant to application of the tech.”

That’s just BULLSHIT. DROR also deliver CBR’s Excalibur which ISN’T, ISN’T, ISN’T LRH AT ALL. I know EVERYTHING about each and every OT level that has ever existed in Scn, and I know as well ALL of CBR’s. Excalibur and other CBR stuff is NOT LRH in no way, shape or form.

Dear Dani answer this question PUBLICLY, does DROR delivers or not CBR’s stuff specially Excalibur ? I got an email that proves that you do, which I am perfectly OK with it, btw.

And DROR does not necessarily practice STANDARD LRH as Admin and Ethics is concerned, and I would like Dani to contradict me on that. He CAN’T.

“….which is an indication that whatever LRH may have stated about homosexuals is irrelevant to application of the tech.”

What a horse shit, indeed!!! Always Q&Aing with the actual subject, Marildi, ah? “Irrelevant”? You are truly work of art, lady. If you can only observe how ridiculous that comment sounds, and how it ONLY shows cult-mentality, you would never write it on a blog like this. WHATEVER LRH wrote and expressed his opinion about, DOES have great influence on hard-core KSW lunatics such as the MS2 people. Dani and Tami are the EXCEPTION to the rule, and I don’t care whether they accept it or not publicly, they DO NOT follow strictly LRH. They use what works and what isn’t against Human Rights. And that’s why people respect them. Because they can differentiate and have judgement and discernment about the Tech. 99% of the Scientologists CAN’T.

Mike Wynski, in your post just above this one, you accused me of making “the nuttiest and most logic twisted comment of year.” I’d say you get that prize with this comment:

“Per El Con policies, a PCO (Personnel Control Officer) who intentionally hires people below 2.0 on the tone scale is in trouble. So much for the lies that he was ok with borgs hiring homosexuals.”

The above indirectly states that homosexuals are 1.1 – but apparently you aren’t logical enough to see that and (I assume) it wasn’t what you meant to say. Let’s just call it “nutty and logic twisted.”

Yes T.C. Per the OT Preps materials a person chronically 1.1 on the Tone Scale would have to be handled PRIOR to getting on Oat Tea levels. Any group doing otherwise would be considered (by El Con hisself) a Squirrel group and MAJOR Suppressive Persons.

Anyone claiming otherwise is either: 1) NOT trained or 2) A liar of considerable magnitude.

In either instance, if a person really was looking for tek the way El Con wanted it, they would stay away from such groups.

p.s. Per El Con policies, a PCO (Personnel Control Officer) who intentionally hires people below 2.0 on the tone scale is in trouble. So much for the lies that he was ok with borgs hiring homosexuals. 😉

The nuttiest and most logic twisted comment of year goes to:

“Dror Center, for example, practices what they consider to be standard LRH tech, in spite of any disagreements with LRH – which is an indication that whatever LRH may have stated about homosexuals is irrelevant to application of the tech.”

Per LRH, “Standard Tech” is ONLY what he said. You disagree with El Con and you and longer “standard”.

thetaclear: “Freezoners stopped following strictly LRH materials, a VERY long time ago, Marildi.”

That isn’t true of all freezone groups. Here’s a link to another video of the “2016 FreeZone Convention.” In the early part of it, the speaker makes it clear that their members strictly follow LRH materials. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IlsJaR9x7E
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“LRH DID write that homosexuals were at 1.1 on the tone scale, and he DID write that it was aberrated conduct, even if not said in those exact words…KSW type of Indies have never ever publicly accepted that LRH was dead wrong about that and MANY others things as well. The only ones who have had the balls to PUBLICLY admit that are Dani and Tami from DROR Center.”

I was alluding to what Espiando likes to quote, which is the last part (in caps) of the following quote from *Science of Survival* – which Espiando should note isn’t even referring to just homosexuals or even to just 1.1 on the tone scale:
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“There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on the tone scale, neither one of which has anything to do with reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts. The first is to raise them on the tone scale by un-enturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is to DISPOSE OF THEM QUIETLY AND WITHOUT SORROW.” (caps are mine)
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Actually, I wouldn’t doubt that, because of societal attitudes and treatment of homosexuals back in the ’50s, a lot of them at the time were suppressed into the covert hostility level of the tone scale.

In any case, whether LRH was right or wrong back then about homosexuals being 1.1 and aberrated – it still wouldn’t alter the way the tech is applied. The Dror Center, for example, practices what they consider to be standard LRH tech, in spite of any disagreements with LRH – which is an indication that whatever LRH may have stated about homosexuals is irrelevant to application of the tech.

Marildi : “Apparently, he is gay and this is no problem for the FreeZoners – which tells me they have a broad, non-literal grasp of the materials.”

Freezoners stopped following strictly LRH materials, a VERY long time ago, Marildi. They do ALL kinds of stuff, from CBR stuff – which ISN’T LRH, but only Scn based at the most – to The Pilot’s research, Clearbird’s researches, etc, etc. So by definition they are NOT Scientologists as such, even though they might use some principles of Scn in their lives/practices.

So of course, that not being Scientologists as such – meaning “I follow KSW” kind of Scientologists – they do not have a “literal” grasp of the materials. But according to LRH “If it isn’t written, it is not true” as interpreting the Tech is concerned. So Scn in a certain way DOES demand a “literal” interpretation of the scriptures.

LRH DID wrote that homosexuals were at 1.1 on the tone scale, and he DID wrote that it was an aberrated conduct even if not said in those exact words. There is no “unliteral” way to interpret that. Yours are just lame excuses to justify criminal assertions from a con man.

If you have proof of other Indies doing that broadly and publicly as an institution, please present it or stop the silly “arguments” already.

KSW type on Indies have never ever publicly accepted that LRH was dead wrong about that and MANY others things as well. The only ones who have had the balls to PUBLICLY admit that, are Dani and Tami from DROR Center.

Just to say that it’s good to hear that Mariette’s son is also out.

Oh, and I bought a copy of the book.

p.s. Here’s a link that might interest you, Espiando. It’s a youtube video of one of the speakers at the 2016 FreeZone Convention, by the name of Rey Robles. Apparently, he is gay and this is no problem for the FreeZoners – which tells me they have a broad, non-literal grasp of the materials.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHbSsRAFbx4

Thank you SW Friend!