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		By: StatsFetishistAnon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Nov 2013 14:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/message-from-a-field-auditor-gag-ii-is-like-waterloo/#comment-25810&quot;&gt;Carcha&lt;/a&gt;.

With new data from a total of 185 individuals, a bubble showed up 1981-1984 exactly as you guessed.
First person leaving was 1974, then 2 and 1 in &#039;76 and &#039;77.
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<p>With new data from a total of 185 individuals, a bubble showed up 1981-1984 exactly as you guessed.<br />
First person leaving was 1974, then 2 and 1 in &#8217;76 and &#8217;77.<br />
Graph:<br />
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		By: sophia13		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2013 04:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: manwithnoplan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2013 01:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/message-from-a-field-auditor-gag-ii-is-like-waterloo/#comment-25971&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

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<p>Nicely put.</p>
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		By: Chris from Germany		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2013 01:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I really feel with that field auditor! In 2009 and 2010 we Div-6-field auditors had to redo DMSMH, Co-Audit-C., HDA, HQS-Co-Audit (~ 500 hrs of auditing time), retrain of Div.-6-course-sup-course, retrain of PE-delivery... - else you were not allowed to deliver! It was already bad, heart-breaking and financially ruining, but now it´s even a lot worse and meets even the meter-trained auditors. And this already for the 2nd time (GAT 1 already cut down nearly all auditing production.)
Dear Field Auditor, get out and continue the good work you´ve done!! Out here we can need you, too!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really feel with that field auditor! In 2009 and 2010 we Div-6-field auditors had to redo DMSMH, Co-Audit-C., HDA, HQS-Co-Audit (~ 500 hrs of auditing time), retrain of Div.-6-course-sup-course, retrain of PE-delivery&#8230; &#8211; else you were not allowed to deliver! It was already bad, heart-breaking and financially ruining, but now it´s even a lot worse and meets even the meter-trained auditors. And this already for the 2nd time (GAT 1 already cut down nearly all auditing production.)<br />
Dear Field Auditor, get out and continue the good work you´ve done!! Out here we can need you, too!</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/message-from-a-field-auditor-gag-ii-is-like-waterloo/#comment-25780&quot;&gt;Still On Your Side&lt;/a&gt;.

Here&#039;s what I think:

 David Miscavige is simply selling whatever he can sell to whoever is around and willing to buy,  and that&#039;s what he&#039;s going to keep on doing. 

Anyone who doesn&#039;t like it, who disagrees with him, who won&#039;t buy whatever he&#039;s currently selling, who won&#039;t redo, who won&#039;t re-study, who won&#039;t obey, who questions  too much for his liking, can just leave. 

That his public is dwindling and will continue to do so is something he has accepted.  Let them go. Unless the leave-taking is high profile and public, he cares not.

He&#039;ll continue to sell whatever his current thing happens to be, to whoever is around, while his public gets smaller and smaller, but he expects that, he has already factored that in to his plan, 

He covers up the losses with glorious false PR and anyone who even questions its veracity is considered borderline suppressive and shunned, someone with one foot out the door anyway.  

Questioning and or disagreeing with David Miscavige = Disaffected/On Enemy Lines/Suppressive/ = You&#039;re Expendable. .   

He has the strong agreement of everyone still in that if programs don&#039;t work it is their out-ethics and unhattedness, never his.

If his programs don&#039;t work it gives him the perfect excuse to fix them and sell something else up the track.

His PR rolls out relentlessly,  covering up the actual scene with Big Lie Tech.

He is spinning out the rest of his life on this post in this way. He&#039;s hoping he can play this game until his death. 

That&#039;s what I think.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/message-from-a-field-auditor-gag-ii-is-like-waterloo/#comment-25780">Still On Your Side</a>.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what I think:</p>
<p> David Miscavige is simply selling whatever he can sell to whoever is around and willing to buy,  and that&#8217;s what he&#8217;s going to keep on doing. </p>
<p>Anyone who doesn&#8217;t like it, who disagrees with him, who won&#8217;t buy whatever he&#8217;s currently selling, who won&#8217;t redo, who won&#8217;t re-study, who won&#8217;t obey, who questions  too much for his liking, can just leave. </p>
<p>That his public is dwindling and will continue to do so is something he has accepted.  Let them go. Unless the leave-taking is high profile and public, he cares not.</p>
<p>He&#8217;ll continue to sell whatever his current thing happens to be, to whoever is around, while his public gets smaller and smaller, but he expects that, he has already factored that in to his plan, </p>
<p>He covers up the losses with glorious false PR and anyone who even questions its veracity is considered borderline suppressive and shunned, someone with one foot out the door anyway.  </p>
<p>Questioning and or disagreeing with David Miscavige = Disaffected/On Enemy Lines/Suppressive/ = You&#8217;re Expendable. .   </p>
<p>He has the strong agreement of everyone still in that if programs don&#8217;t work it is their out-ethics and unhattedness, never his.</p>
<p>If his programs don&#8217;t work it gives him the perfect excuse to fix them and sell something else up the track.</p>
<p>His PR rolls out relentlessly,  covering up the actual scene with Big Lie Tech.</p>
<p>He is spinning out the rest of his life on this post in this way. He&#8217;s hoping he can play this game until his death. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I think.</p>
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		By: Richard Roberts		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/message-from-a-field-auditor-gag-ii-is-like-waterloo/#comment-25894&quot;&gt;OZZYBUD420&lt;/a&gt;.

I never made clear but with all the auditing I did do I really did have many positive gains. If you consider where I was when I started and where I am now there is no one ever going to tell me that the tech doesn&#039;t work. As for Clears as LRH described them in Dianetics, you have to consider that he wrote that work in the 1950&#039;s and was looking to the future. He was an optimist and much work was yet to be done. I have listened and read many other self help books and lectures from other authors that predict a brighter future and have to some degree or other wishful thinking. Its easy to look at LRH and slam him because you don&#039;t like the current state of affairs in Scientology. I went through hell when I was in the Sea Org. It was my worst nightmare and I still live with those demons to some degree. I don&#039;t blame LRH or the tech for that. You have the most evil man on the planet in charge of what is a brilliant body of work. He&#039;s been chopping that up since 1986. Its no wonder that people now question its validity, its not the tech any more and hasn&#039;t been for many years.]]></description>
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<p>I never made clear but with all the auditing I did do I really did have many positive gains. If you consider where I was when I started and where I am now there is no one ever going to tell me that the tech doesn&#8217;t work. As for Clears as LRH described them in Dianetics, you have to consider that he wrote that work in the 1950&#8217;s and was looking to the future. He was an optimist and much work was yet to be done. I have listened and read many other self help books and lectures from other authors that predict a brighter future and have to some degree or other wishful thinking. Its easy to look at LRH and slam him because you don&#8217;t like the current state of affairs in Scientology. I went through hell when I was in the Sea Org. It was my worst nightmare and I still live with those demons to some degree. I don&#8217;t blame LRH or the tech for that. You have the most evil man on the planet in charge of what is a brilliant body of work. He&#8217;s been chopping that up since 1986. Its no wonder that people now question its validity, its not the tech any more and hasn&#8217;t been for many years.</p>
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		By: Jane Doe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane Doe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/message-from-a-field-auditor-gag-ii-is-like-waterloo/#comment-25860&quot;&gt;WIS&lt;/a&gt;.

WIS,  Thank you for your comments and the song/lyrics.  No, I would not call you an SP for a few generalizations.  There are 12 Characteristics of an SP per the LRH reference on it.  I would look for many of the 12 points before making judgement.  I would also apply what I learned from reading Martha Stout&#039;s book, &quot;The Sociopath Next Door.&quot;  Ron pegged the SP population at about 2 1/2 percent.  Martha says it is more like 4% of the population are SP&#039;s.  I am not like DM who imagines &quot;everyone&quot; is an SP or  that 80% or more are SP&#039;s.  That shows him to be terrified that people are out to do him in.  And interestingly enough, the idea that if anyone got any better or stronger, that person would use their power to do in the SP, well that fear and urge to put everyone down, hold them down, squash then, is.... wait for it..... an SP trait!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/message-from-a-field-auditor-gag-ii-is-like-waterloo/#comment-25860">WIS</a>.</p>
<p>WIS,  Thank you for your comments and the song/lyrics.  No, I would not call you an SP for a few generalizations.  There are 12 Characteristics of an SP per the LRH reference on it.  I would look for many of the 12 points before making judgement.  I would also apply what I learned from reading Martha Stout&#8217;s book, &#8220;The Sociopath Next Door.&#8221;  Ron pegged the SP population at about 2 1/2 percent.  Martha says it is more like 4% of the population are SP&#8217;s.  I am not like DM who imagines &#8220;everyone&#8221; is an SP or  that 80% or more are SP&#8217;s.  That shows him to be terrified that people are out to do him in.  And interestingly enough, the idea that if anyone got any better or stronger, that person would use their power to do in the SP, well that fear and urge to put everyone down, hold them down, squash then, is&#8230;. wait for it&#8230;.. an SP trait!</p>
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		By: plainoldthetan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2013 17:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/message-from-a-field-auditor-gag-ii-is-like-waterloo/#comment-25749&quot;&gt;TrevAnon&lt;/a&gt;.

My $0.02:

NED came out in 1978. Grade chart flipped upside down requiring Grades before Ned. Missions couldn&#039;t teach metered auditing. HSDC co-audits forbidden.

Books &quot;all guaranteed to be on source&quot; and reprinted 1987. SLICs issued, 1988.

New Tech vols came out in 1991.

GAT 1 came out around 1994.

Golden Age of Standardly Suppressive Ethics came out about 2001.

GAT 1 grace period ended around 2004.

GAK 2007.

Marty&#039;s blog started around 2009.

Maybe someone can accurize those dates for me.]]></description>
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<p>My $0.02:</p>
<p>NED came out in 1978. Grade chart flipped upside down requiring Grades before Ned. Missions couldn&#8217;t teach metered auditing. HSDC co-audits forbidden.</p>
<p>Books &#8220;all guaranteed to be on source&#8221; and reprinted 1987. SLICs issued, 1988.</p>
<p>New Tech vols came out in 1991.</p>
<p>GAT 1 came out around 1994.</p>
<p>Golden Age of Standardly Suppressive Ethics came out about 2001.</p>
<p>GAT 1 grace period ended around 2004.</p>
<p>GAK 2007.</p>
<p>Marty&#8217;s blog started around 2009.</p>
<p>Maybe someone can accurize those dates for me.</p>
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		By: Odd Thomas		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2013 17:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/message-from-a-field-auditor-gag-ii-is-like-waterloo/#comment-25720&quot;&gt;DollarMorgue&lt;/a&gt;.

DollarMorgue

&quot;Now that is some public admission of failure. If the system is so fragile it can’t withstand SP tinkering, it doesn’t deserve to exist.&quot;

Hmm, interesting hypothesis. If a hacker gets into the iPhone coding and calls are randomly made to Albanian, then the iPhone doesn&#039;t deserve to exist?

&quot;Things&quot; are inherently different - one to the next. Alter the design on a hammer and it still drives in nails with no problems. Alter a heart monitor or pace maker - just a smidge and the patient dies. Things are not created equal.

LRH devised A system that worked. I don&#039;t recall him ever calling it THE system. It worked as mapped out. It was tested and it produced consistent results. What SP tinkering does, is change the sequence;  remove steps, or adds steps to what was already working just fine.

I simply don&#039;t see it as a test to the workability of a system, to intentionally alter things and then call it a fraud because in it&#039;s current altered state, it&#039;s sputtering and not as effective.

I was fortunate. I got in SCN in 1972 and spent the next two years going up to Grader IV, after joining staff at Narconon. My experience was very different from a lot of people I knew. I got the gains I need to solidify my position early on. This helped me make it through the next chaotic six years, where auditing was more punishment than progress. Then 1979 came around, Dianetic Clear got defined and resolved as an issue and Boom -- I&#039;m back to winning again.

I don&#039;t know of anyone who had consistent wins throughout their stay. It was always tempered with losses and bad times and crazy moments of failed purposes and inval. This is such a common pattern within SCN, that I took it to be &quot;The Pattern.&quot; 

I guess underlying the above, is my perspective that LRH came up with a workable technology. Not a perfect one and certainly not one imperious to alteration by others. That&#039;s all it is. It works well when applied well. It fails when it&#039;s misapplied.

Hell, there are products in the construction trade that are simple to use and work 100% of the time if... you do it in the right sequence 1-2-3. if you don&#039;t, you end up with a hardened mess instead of a clear-coat finish. 

Everything needs a little TLC.

Odd]]></description>
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<p>DollarMorgue</p>
<p>&#8220;Now that is some public admission of failure. If the system is so fragile it can’t withstand SP tinkering, it doesn’t deserve to exist.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmm, interesting hypothesis. If a hacker gets into the iPhone coding and calls are randomly made to Albanian, then the iPhone doesn&#8217;t deserve to exist?</p>
<p>&#8220;Things&#8221; are inherently different &#8211; one to the next. Alter the design on a hammer and it still drives in nails with no problems. Alter a heart monitor or pace maker &#8211; just a smidge and the patient dies. Things are not created equal.</p>
<p>LRH devised A system that worked. I don&#8217;t recall him ever calling it THE system. It worked as mapped out. It was tested and it produced consistent results. What SP tinkering does, is change the sequence;  remove steps, or adds steps to what was already working just fine.</p>
<p>I simply don&#8217;t see it as a test to the workability of a system, to intentionally alter things and then call it a fraud because in it&#8217;s current altered state, it&#8217;s sputtering and not as effective.</p>
<p>I was fortunate. I got in SCN in 1972 and spent the next two years going up to Grader IV, after joining staff at Narconon. My experience was very different from a lot of people I knew. I got the gains I need to solidify my position early on. This helped me make it through the next chaotic six years, where auditing was more punishment than progress. Then 1979 came around, Dianetic Clear got defined and resolved as an issue and Boom &#8212; I&#8217;m back to winning again.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know of anyone who had consistent wins throughout their stay. It was always tempered with losses and bad times and crazy moments of failed purposes and inval. This is such a common pattern within SCN, that I took it to be &#8220;The Pattern.&#8221; </p>
<p>I guess underlying the above, is my perspective that LRH came up with a workable technology. Not a perfect one and certainly not one imperious to alteration by others. That&#8217;s all it is. It works well when applied well. It fails when it&#8217;s misapplied.</p>
<p>Hell, there are products in the construction trade that are simple to use and work 100% of the time if&#8230; you do it in the right sequence 1-2-3. if you don&#8217;t, you end up with a hardened mess instead of a clear-coat finish. </p>
<p>Everything needs a little TLC.</p>
<p>Odd</p>
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		By: The Dark Avenger		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/message-from-a-field-auditor-gag-ii-is-like-waterloo/#comment-25896&quot;&gt;Espiritu&lt;/a&gt;.

Anyone who supports Scientology supports the lies they tell in order to recruit people into their &#039;religion&#039; regardless of their own personal experiences in the cult.]]></description>
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<p>Anyone who supports Scientology supports the lies they tell in order to recruit people into their &#8216;religion&#8217; regardless of their own personal experiences in the cult.</p>
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