The reason for South Africa and Zim rather than, say, Nigeria? White people with money.

So, did the folks who were running it and posting there who did NOT want it to devolve into a Hubbard pile-on migrate over to the Milestone 2 site, where they do not allow criticism of the Flounder, at that time

I spent a little time lurking on the Milestone 2 site and quickly got the sense that they were a pro-$cilon site who believed that whatever is wrong with the corporate cherch is lil davey’s fault and not Elron’s.

That’s a completely unsupportable position to take, but one good way of never realizing it is to do exactly what the cherch does, which is to censor and sanction whatever it finds objectionable and inconvenient.

Newcomer, thanks for your response. I admire the position that you have taken.

I am just sometimes concerned that new commenters who may wish to remain anonymous, may not be aware that Scientology has been shown to monitor forums like this and act on information posted.

“(b) gave up on fighting Scientology because they had better things to do with their lives, like Mark Rathbun.”

You mean, like colluding with the cherch to supply its legal weasels with privileged communication with Indies, so that the cherch can crush them in court? (see here for details http://tonyortega.org/2017/03/09/as-louis-therouxs-my-scientology-movie-hits-us-troubling-news-about-co-star-marty-rathbun/ )

HI Cindy, can you put “Cindy2” on your posts so we can tell which one of the two Cindy’s is talking? Good points you make, by the way.

I’m still coming to terms with the con more than 25 years after departure.
Scientology is an insidious mind-f**k.
Don’t do it.

Buy you pre baked cannoli at the bakery, just all round to see which bakery offers them for sale NOT pre filled……..then get a pasty bag and fill it with the creamy goodness and then just slowly squeeze the bag to fill the cannoli…..a medium to big tip will allow the chocolate chips in the filling to pass through the tip…..now I WANT Cannoli!
RSL….YOU make the coffee…..I will bring the Cannoli!

I agree with you PeaceMaker. I assume that OSA monitors each of us on the blog and in my case, they know exactly who I am, where I live and what I do. As an example, I have asked them to give me a call if they have any questions about my opinions. 209-928-4822 and leave a message if I am not in.

Yo Dave,
Same goes for you good buddy!

IMHO, when the individual is willing to state what he has observed and to also state that what he has observed is true for him/herself; at that point a dialogue can begin which has a possibility of creating an understanding between two people for mutual benefit.

In my case, I will remain interested in the activities of the Cult as long as it is affecting people and because my kids remain in I want to observe how things progress.The cult is interested in my activities only to be able to use them in a twisted way to show my kids how ‘off the rails’ I am with regards to supporting the Cult (explained in a different way), ‘He has no desire to help make the planet a better and safer place , blah de blah de blah ….. because you see how much he rails against us and everyone knows …..(air quotes here) ‘we are the most ethical people on the planet’.

Whatever. We know them by the lies they spew. I will not stop watching, I will never miss an opportunity to enlighten someone as to the truth and I will explain it based on my own direct experience. So I stopped by the org to see for myself. IT IS EMPTY! I was pleased!

Dan, what are their actual stats like? Did they attract a large number of the former CofS members in the area, or just a few? Are still they getting many new clients, or did they just get a bunch after the purge of a few years ago?

YES!!!! Thank you!