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		By: Episode 64 : Tory &#8220;Magoo&#8221; Christman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Episode 64 : Tory &#8220;Magoo&#8221; Christman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2021 11:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Who is Penny Atwell Jones? I did an earlier post about her here. [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Who is Penny Atwell Jones? I did an earlier post about her here. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: OmegaPaladin		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/missed-rons-birthday-bash/#comment-348043</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2020 06:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/missed-rons-birthday-bash/#comment-347778&quot;&gt;Chee Chalker&lt;/a&gt;.

There are countless political websites - I work as a moderator at one of them.  There are only a handful of SCN-critic sites.  I can&#039;t really have an informed conversation on Ricochet on Scientology, since I would be explaining basic things over and over.   Let&#039;s keep this site focused on SCN and similar groups.

I mentioned to Tony Ortega at the Chicago meetup that I appreciated how he avoided political commentary unrelated to the Co$, because you can critique SCN from perspectives ranging from actual communism to anarchocapitalism, and pretty much everything in between.  If we don&#039;t focus on Scientology, they could potentially use political divisions to break us apart.  When I watched the Aftermath, I was not thinking about Mike and Leah&#039;s take on gun control.  I&#039;d like to keep it that way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/missed-rons-birthday-bash/#comment-347778">Chee Chalker</a>.</p>
<p>There are countless political websites &#8211; I work as a moderator at one of them.  There are only a handful of SCN-critic sites.  I can&#8217;t really have an informed conversation on Ricochet on Scientology, since I would be explaining basic things over and over.   Let&#8217;s keep this site focused on SCN and similar groups.</p>
<p>I mentioned to Tony Ortega at the Chicago meetup that I appreciated how he avoided political commentary unrelated to the Co$, because you can critique SCN from perspectives ranging from actual communism to anarchocapitalism, and pretty much everything in between.  If we don&#8217;t focus on Scientology, they could potentially use political divisions to break us apart.  When I watched the Aftermath, I was not thinking about Mike and Leah&#8217;s take on gun control.  I&#8217;d like to keep it that way.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/missed-rons-birthday-bash/#comment-348034</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2020 05:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/missed-rons-birthday-bash/#comment-347657&quot;&gt;georgemwhite&lt;/a&gt;.

I have a question for anyone here who objects to articles or comments LINKING Scientology or Scientologist with Donald Trump and/or the Republican Party:

Let&#039;s say Scientology as an organization was pro-Democrat...its not, but lets SUPPOSE for a minute that instead of leaning Right, Scientology - and many Scientologists - leaned, for the most part, politically LEFT.

To further illustrate, suppose that, instead of an article being based on a Scientologist&#039;s social media invitation to &quot;Trump&#039;s Birthday Car Caravan Rally&quot;, it was based on the same koolaid drinker&#039;s  media invitation to  &quot;Hillary Clinton&#039;s Birthday Car Caravan Rally&quot;

Now, Hillary Clinton is not the President.

But let&#039;s suppose she was.

So let&#039;s suppose this,  and  Mike posted an article linking a prominent, long term Scientologist to Hillary Clinton.


And as well, made caustic comments that were unflattering  to her.

Would it bother you?

Would you be objecting that  NO mention of politics should EVER be breathed on this blog IF the President was a liberal Democrat?

Be honest now!

If the cult leaned decidedly DEMOCRAT, would it really bother you if Mike pointed out instances of linkage between Our Favorite Cult and some prominent Democrat?

Politics is part of LIFE and such linkage COULD and possibly MAY in the future work the OPPOSITE way.

Via John Travolta, Scientology was all over Bill Clinton back in the day.

Scientologists are sometimes LINKED to political figures.

IF it were reported that Miscavige had been invited to Capitol Hill to meet with Nancy Pelosi, and Mike did an article on it, would you be complaining  because its &quot;political&quot;?

Of course, this is improbable but its not impossible.

Let&#039;s say that Grant Cardone continually tweeted favorably about Barack Obama!  Or Hillary!

Let&#039;s say Ron DeSantis, the Republican Governor of Florida visited Flag and met with David Miscavige?

Should Mike ignore these happenings, these LINKages?

I trust I make my point!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/missed-rons-birthday-bash/#comment-347657">georgemwhite</a>.</p>
<p>I have a question for anyone here who objects to articles or comments LINKING Scientology or Scientologist with Donald Trump and/or the Republican Party:</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say Scientology as an organization was pro-Democrat&#8230;its not, but lets SUPPOSE for a minute that instead of leaning Right, Scientology &#8211; and many Scientologists &#8211; leaned, for the most part, politically LEFT.</p>
<p>To further illustrate, suppose that, instead of an article being based on a Scientologist&#8217;s social media invitation to &#8220;Trump&#8217;s Birthday Car Caravan Rally&#8221;, it was based on the same koolaid drinker&#8217;s  media invitation to  &#8220;Hillary Clinton&#8217;s Birthday Car Caravan Rally&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, Hillary Clinton is not the President.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s suppose she was.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s suppose this,  and  Mike posted an article linking a prominent, long term Scientologist to Hillary Clinton.</p>
<p>And as well, made caustic comments that were unflattering  to her.</p>
<p>Would it bother you?</p>
<p>Would you be objecting that  NO mention of politics should EVER be breathed on this blog IF the President was a liberal Democrat?</p>
<p>Be honest now!</p>
<p>If the cult leaned decidedly DEMOCRAT, would it really bother you if Mike pointed out instances of linkage between Our Favorite Cult and some prominent Democrat?</p>
<p>Politics is part of LIFE and such linkage COULD and possibly MAY in the future work the OPPOSITE way.</p>
<p>Via John Travolta, Scientology was all over Bill Clinton back in the day.</p>
<p>Scientologists are sometimes LINKED to political figures.</p>
<p>IF it were reported that Miscavige had been invited to Capitol Hill to meet with Nancy Pelosi, and Mike did an article on it, would you be complaining  because its &#8220;political&#8221;?</p>
<p>Of course, this is improbable but its not impossible.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say that Grant Cardone continually tweeted favorably about Barack Obama!  Or Hillary!</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say Ron DeSantis, the Republican Governor of Florida visited Flag and met with David Miscavige?</p>
<p>Should Mike ignore these happenings, these LINKages?</p>
<p>I trust I make my point!</p>
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		By: Peggy L		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/missed-rons-birthday-bash/#comment-347967</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2020 18:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve recently found I should rethink my criticism of decisions, be it just in my own thoughts and unfortunately in writing here. People have the right to make whatever choice they choose be it what organization or religion or affiliation, or what they choose to believe. That doesn&#039;t mean they walk in lockstep if some of their beliefs happen to coincide with those of others.

Maybe I feel this more passionately since my own recent life-changing experience. I realize just because I didn&#039;t believe something doesn&#039;t mean it might be true. It&#039;s more of a play the hand I&#039;ve been dealt and try to adjust to what has changed, what&#039;s beyond my control and make my mind up to accept the changes, make the best of it, and realize I&#039;m only in control of the decisions I make. My father used to say maybe something isn&#039;t right but that&#039;s just the way it is. 

Some of my best friends and I are diametrically different in some of our beliefs, but what we have in common are basic values, so we just avoid and respect those things we would not agree with. You can&#039;t make people think the way you do, believe what you believe. If conversation makes you uncomfortable you have the choice to remove yourself from that situation.

As for the cult and the horrible little man (not speaking physically but his actions are that of someone absent of morality) what to me there&#039;s no way to ever justify the treatment of children under the cult&#039;s control. The adults, I feel for them. As for the ones that feed the money, well, if they end up broke that&#039;s on them. They made their choices.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve recently found I should rethink my criticism of decisions, be it just in my own thoughts and unfortunately in writing here. People have the right to make whatever choice they choose be it what organization or religion or affiliation, or what they choose to believe. That doesn&#8217;t mean they walk in lockstep if some of their beliefs happen to coincide with those of others.</p>
<p>Maybe I feel this more passionately since my own recent life-changing experience. I realize just because I didn&#8217;t believe something doesn&#8217;t mean it might be true. It&#8217;s more of a play the hand I&#8217;ve been dealt and try to adjust to what has changed, what&#8217;s beyond my control and make my mind up to accept the changes, make the best of it, and realize I&#8217;m only in control of the decisions I make. My father used to say maybe something isn&#8217;t right but that&#8217;s just the way it is. </p>
<p>Some of my best friends and I are diametrically different in some of our beliefs, but what we have in common are basic values, so we just avoid and respect those things we would not agree with. You can&#8217;t make people think the way you do, believe what you believe. If conversation makes you uncomfortable you have the choice to remove yourself from that situation.</p>
<p>As for the cult and the horrible little man (not speaking physically but his actions are that of someone absent of morality) what to me there&#8217;s no way to ever justify the treatment of children under the cult&#8217;s control. The adults, I feel for them. As for the ones that feed the money, well, if they end up broke that&#8217;s on them. They made their choices.</p>
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		By: Hana Whitfield		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[She&#039;s still a true believer. She&#039;s still living in that &quot;other&quot; mindset, the one that believes, no, is convinced, that Hubbard was/is right, that Miscavige is right, and the rest of the world is lost.  I guess because I understand how people can fall in love with a sociopath or narcissist and remain loyal for years by continually rationalizing the abuse they experience, and I am aware of the psychological mechanism that enables this kind of relationship to occur, I understand Penny&#039;s outpouring. Do I value it? Heck, no! Am I willing to tolerate it? A double heck no.  But I understand it. And I continue to try to do something about the abuse that Miscavige is continuing even in a small way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She&#8217;s still a true believer. She&#8217;s still living in that &#8220;other&#8221; mindset, the one that believes, no, is convinced, that Hubbard was/is right, that Miscavige is right, and the rest of the world is lost.  I guess because I understand how people can fall in love with a sociopath or narcissist and remain loyal for years by continually rationalizing the abuse they experience, and I am aware of the psychological mechanism that enables this kind of relationship to occur, I understand Penny&#8217;s outpouring. Do I value it? Heck, no! Am I willing to tolerate it? A double heck no.  But I understand it. And I continue to try to do something about the abuse that Miscavige is continuing even in a small way.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cindy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/missed-rons-birthday-bash/#comment-347693&quot;&gt;SadStateofAffairs&lt;/a&gt;.

Sad State of Affairs, well said!  I agree with you 100 percent.  Take the political talk off this blog and keep it to the Church and the idiot things they are doing, and how disconnection harms families,  and how we can hasten its demise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/missed-rons-birthday-bash/#comment-347693">SadStateofAffairs</a>.</p>
<p>Sad State of Affairs, well said!  I agree with you 100 percent.  Take the political talk off this blog and keep it to the Church and the idiot things they are doing, and how disconnection harms families,  and how we can hasten its demise.</p>
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		By: Golden Era Parachute		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/missed-rons-birthday-bash/#comment-347935</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Golden Era Parachute]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2020 15:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have both lost sight in a movement of false religion and a political party of false promises. Yes, I am both an ex-Scientologist and ex-Democrat. I don&#039;t see the point in mixing religion and politics, but I do recognize this as an attack at the sanity of some in-person by equating fanatical Trump support with fanatical Scientology support. Point taken.

Rational people will realize that Trump has created more jobs than the previous two presidents, potentially combined. I vote based on whether or not I will have a well-paying and prosperous job in 5 years. I am buying a house this month. My second house in 3 years. I am neither out fanatically protesting or out fanatically supporting a MAGA birthday however.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have both lost sight in a movement of false religion and a political party of false promises. Yes, I am both an ex-Scientologist and ex-Democrat. I don&#8217;t see the point in mixing religion and politics, but I do recognize this as an attack at the sanity of some in-person by equating fanatical Trump support with fanatical Scientology support. Point taken.</p>
<p>Rational people will realize that Trump has created more jobs than the previous two presidents, potentially combined. I vote based on whether or not I will have a well-paying and prosperous job in 5 years. I am buying a house this month. My second house in 3 years. I am neither out fanatically protesting or out fanatically supporting a MAGA birthday however.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2020 11:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/missed-rons-birthday-bash/#comment-347914&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

50/50. It depend whether the comments were strictly partisan political or had something relevant, both pro and con Trump. There were plenty of comments I trashed on this particular post, you are the only one who complained.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/missed-rons-birthday-bash/#comment-347914">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>50/50. It depend whether the comments were strictly partisan political or had something relevant, both pro and con Trump. There were plenty of comments I trashed on this particular post, you are the only one who complained.</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2020 11:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/missed-rons-birthday-bash/#comment-347778&quot;&gt;Chee Chalker&lt;/a&gt;.

Comments favorable to Bad Orange Man get censored. pfft
Sing with the choir.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/missed-rons-birthday-bash/#comment-347778">Chee Chalker</a>.</p>
<p>Comments favorable to Bad Orange Man get censored. pfft<br />
Sing with the choir.</p>
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		By: Wondering		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2020 08:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You know, I&#039;ve never ascribed to or gotten &quot;sucked into&quot; Scientology, but I really don&#039;t understand how any of the Scientology survivors can see their way to align themselves with the current administration&#039;s political  positions.  Do you think that some of you might be blind to narcissists and therefore more gullible?   I mean, gosh, wasn&#039;t falling for that line of crap from a narcissist ONCE  enough for you?

I am just curious as to the attraction, I guess.  Peace.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I&#8217;ve never ascribed to or gotten &#8220;sucked into&#8221; Scientology, but I really don&#8217;t understand how any of the Scientology survivors can see their way to align themselves with the current administration&#8217;s political  positions.  Do you think that some of you might be blind to narcissists and therefore more gullible?   I mean, gosh, wasn&#8217;t falling for that line of crap from a narcissist ONCE  enough for you?</p>
<p>I am just curious as to the attraction, I guess.  Peace.</p>
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