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		By: safetyguy		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-mission-fail/#comment-438409</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2021 16:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-mission-fail/#comment-438004&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

Looks more like a prison.]]></description>
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<p>Looks more like a prison.</p>
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		By: Real		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2021 02:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-mission-fail/#comment-437901&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

Correct PeaceMaker.  Indies cannot get new &quot;raw meat&quot; to save their lives.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-mission-fail/#comment-437901">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>Correct PeaceMaker.  Indies cannot get new &#8220;raw meat&#8221; to save their lives.</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-mission-fail/#comment-438101</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-mission-fail/#comment-437976&quot;&gt;Cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

Looking for scn mission locations seems to be like looking for rare dinosaur <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f995.png" alt="🦕" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> fossils. Some people may unearth a few of them. Good luck to the mission hunters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-mission-fail/#comment-437976">Cindy</a>.</p>
<p>Looking for scn mission locations seems to be like looking for rare dinosaur 🦕 fossils. Some people may unearth a few of them. Good luck to the mission hunters.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2021 02:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-mission-fail/#comment-437976&quot;&gt;Cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

Cindy, no problem.  I appreciate your being able to confirm some things from local experience, and understand it&#039;s hard to take time away from real life and go out of your way just to verify what&#039;s going on at some more or less dead location.  (I travel a fair bit, and often just don&#039;t get around to checking out whatever scientology locations are there, often, rather tellingly, because they&#039;re rather inconveniently far off the beaten path).

And, yes, it seems like it&#039;s a familiar, small group of diehards - but very committed, and doggedly energetic.  I still don&#039;t get how Sunland-Tujunga could be much of a concentration of members at this point, if there are no signs of broader involvement, unless there are lots of OTs who don&#039;t want to touch the mission with a ten foot pole (I suppose they could be afraid of being roped into subsidizing it).

The Foothills mission seems to have someone who is a virtual Energizer bunny, always putting out promo pieces about something or other.  I get the impression they are a bit younger than most of the rest of those in the area, who seem to be largely longtime diehards - the Stewarts show up as being in their early 70s, around the age all too many scientologists seem to succumb to bad health (it&#039;s about the average lifespan of a heavy smoker).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-mission-fail/#comment-437976">Cindy</a>.</p>
<p>Cindy, no problem.  I appreciate your being able to confirm some things from local experience, and understand it&#8217;s hard to take time away from real life and go out of your way just to verify what&#8217;s going on at some more or less dead location.  (I travel a fair bit, and often just don&#8217;t get around to checking out whatever scientology locations are there, often, rather tellingly, because they&#8217;re rather inconveniently far off the beaten path).</p>
<p>And, yes, it seems like it&#8217;s a familiar, small group of diehards &#8211; but very committed, and doggedly energetic.  I still don&#8217;t get how Sunland-Tujunga could be much of a concentration of members at this point, if there are no signs of broader involvement, unless there are lots of OTs who don&#8217;t want to touch the mission with a ten foot pole (I suppose they could be afraid of being roped into subsidizing it).</p>
<p>The Foothills mission seems to have someone who is a virtual Energizer bunny, always putting out promo pieces about something or other.  I get the impression they are a bit younger than most of the rest of those in the area, who seem to be largely longtime diehards &#8211; the Stewarts show up as being in their early 70s, around the age all too many scientologists seem to succumb to bad health (it&#8217;s about the average lifespan of a heavy smoker).</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2021 21:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-mission-fail/#comment-437754&quot;&gt;safetyguy&lt;/a&gt;.

Lol - The bars on the door are necessary. The smash and grab looters might look inside and see an e-meter or two and think they are new fangled computers and want to steal them. Waste of time and effort on their part.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-mission-fail/#comment-437754">safetyguy</a>.</p>
<p>Lol &#8211; The bars on the door are necessary. The smash and grab looters might look inside and see an e-meter or two and think they are new fangled computers and want to steal them. Waste of time and effort on their part.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2021 19:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-mission-fail/#comment-437976&quot;&gt;Cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

Peacemaker,  There was no reply on your last comm on this but judging from the great pic you found of the one of the houses., and the back story you were able to get on it, I do think you&#039;re right.  I just didn&#039;t have time to drive over there and check addresses.  So that means the Sunland mission is no longer in the care taker&#039;s house by the church and has moved to a regular house in a regular residential neighborhood which is being rented and probably rented prior to this, by Scns.  So the point again, is that they don&#039;t have a big enough flock and not enough money to have a real building and regular services. Thanks for your work sussing all this out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-mission-fail/#comment-437976">Cindy</a>.</p>
<p>Peacemaker,  There was no reply on your last comm on this but judging from the great pic you found of the one of the houses., and the back story you were able to get on it, I do think you&#8217;re right.  I just didn&#8217;t have time to drive over there and check addresses.  So that means the Sunland mission is no longer in the care taker&#8217;s house by the church and has moved to a regular house in a regular residential neighborhood which is being rented and probably rented prior to this, by Scns.  So the point again, is that they don&#8217;t have a big enough flock and not enough money to have a real building and regular services. Thanks for your work sussing all this out.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-mission-fail/#comment-437986</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2021 18:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-mission-fail/#comment-437976&quot;&gt;Cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

Cyndi, it looks to me like the old Oro Vista address was the caretaker house by a church, and the Hillrose Circle address that the mission currently uses is in an entirely residential area:

&#062; https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/10700-Hillrose-Cir_Sunland_CA_91040_M26846-03910

Have I got something wrong?

And from what I can tell the property hasn&#039;t been sold in over 20 years, but was transferred to a trust around a decade ago, and then listed for rent about 5 years ago.  My guess is that they&#039;re renters, and there have been some signs that they may have had other members as tenants.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-mission-fail/#comment-437976">Cindy</a>.</p>
<p>Cyndi, it looks to me like the old Oro Vista address was the caretaker house by a church, and the Hillrose Circle address that the mission currently uses is in an entirely residential area:</p>
<p>&gt; <a href="https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/10700-Hillrose-Cir_Sunland_CA_91040_M26846-03910" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/10700-Hillrose-Cir_Sunland_CA_91040_M26846-03910</a></p>
<p>Have I got something wrong?</p>
<p>And from what I can tell the property hasn&#8217;t been sold in over 20 years, but was transferred to a trust around a decade ago, and then listed for rent about 5 years ago.  My guess is that they&#8217;re renters, and there have been some signs that they may have had other members as tenants.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2021 16:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-mission-fail/#comment-437906&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

Peacrmaker,  The mission closed down years ago at the Oro Vista address.  It moved to Richard&#039;s small caretaker house on Hillrose Circle.  Richard works full time and they live in the space, so I assume it is by appointment only.  I seem to recall one of their promos saying that.]]></description>
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<p>Peacrmaker,  The mission closed down years ago at the Oro Vista address.  It moved to Richard&#8217;s small caretaker house on Hillrose Circle.  Richard works full time and they live in the space, so I assume it is by appointment only.  I seem to recall one of their promos saying that.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2021 07:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-mission-fail/#comment-437797&quot;&gt;Cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

Cyndi, I&#039;ve seen another address for the mission, 11112 Oro Vista Ave., that appears associated with a (real) church, and which I assume is outdated.  It now appears that the mission is located in the Stewart&#039;s home on Hillrose Circle, in a single-family neighborhood.  Did they move?

They periodically host events there that we see promo pieces for, and I&#039;m sure that otherwise it must be open by appointment only.  I assume their new space will have limited regular hours, but I&#039;ve seen small locations that were appointment-only (and I think it would follow a pattern if they went to that, after an initial period of making the effort to staff the place consistently).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-mission-fail/#comment-437797">Cindy</a>.</p>
<p>Cyndi, I&#8217;ve seen another address for the mission, 11112 Oro Vista Ave., that appears associated with a (real) church, and which I assume is outdated.  It now appears that the mission is located in the Stewart&#8217;s home on Hillrose Circle, in a single-family neighborhood.  Did they move?</p>
<p>They periodically host events there that we see promo pieces for, and I&#8217;m sure that otherwise it must be open by appointment only.  I assume their new space will have limited regular hours, but I&#8217;ve seen small locations that were appointment-only (and I think it would follow a pattern if they went to that, after an initial period of making the effort to staff the place consistently).</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2021 07:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-mission-fail/#comment-437593&quot;&gt;Real&lt;/a&gt;.

Real, exactly - and I think the indies, in all their forms and variety but uniform insignificance, confirm that there&#039;s just no longer any real interest in anything to do with scientology.]]></description>
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<p>Real, exactly &#8211; and I think the indies, in all their forms and variety but uniform insignificance, confirm that there&#8217;s just no longer any real interest in anything to do with scientology.</p>
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