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		By: Foremost		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ot-ix-x-nonsense/#comment-131969</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2016 21:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ot-ix-x-nonsense/#comment-131384&quot;&gt;Nickname&lt;/a&gt;.

Well said. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ot-ix-x-nonsense/#comment-131384">Nickname</a>.</p>
<p>Well said. 🙂</p>
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		By: Mike Wynski		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Wynski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2016 19:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ot-ix-x-nonsense/#comment-131498&quot;&gt;Dio&lt;/a&gt;.

Dio, unicorns are also AMAZING animals when you can catch one.  LOL!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ot-ix-x-nonsense/#comment-131498">Dio</a>.</p>
<p>Dio, unicorns are also AMAZING animals when you can catch one.  LOL!</p>
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		By: freebeeing		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2016 16:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ot-ix-x-nonsense/#comment-131450&quot;&gt;Old Surfer Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

sometimes]]></description>
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<p>sometimes</p>
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		By: Nickname		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2016 15:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ot-ix-x-nonsense/#comment-131543&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Aquamarine, Just when I was thinking, &quot;Gee ... not one positive comment ....&quot; Thank you for some real thought and rational reply. One wouldn&#039;t imagine that advocating free thought and self-determinism of thought would &quot;draw fire.&quot; We get involved in realities, from &quot;curious about&quot; to being overwhelmed, to the point where we think realities rule us, and we lose our self-determinism of free thought. Even to the point that some things are not to be perceived (e.g. you wouldn&#039;t want to say that Earth is not the center of the universe, back before about 1600 AD). All of this is better said in The Factors. The whole line up of the original Bridge was to get the individual to inspect all his or her agreements, at all levels. I don&#039;t understand all the gradients there, how they all work together. The rest, I&#039;ve said, but I wanted to emphasize the importance of ethics, of self-determinism, and of admin scales which sketch out goals and purposes. Goals and purposes seem to me to define one&#039;s ethics. Each individual has many admin scales going, and these are integrated, or nested. Make coffee as part of make breakfast, as part of getting ready to go to work, as part of ... and so on to &quot;living a good life.&quot; One person&#039;s admin scales interact with others. There are zillions in full swing every day, every time anyone says something, but no one had defined the component parts of an admin scale. An economist would say it&#039;s supply and demand, but some supply and demand is very personal. The subject of admin scales and of personal ethics has been neglected or overlooked, when it should have been a (continuing) primary action, to get the individual to look at what his interest in Scientology is, and what he would like to achieve. People (generalization, there) think Scn is somehow above or not even related to classical philosophy, other religious thought, and psychology, and that&#039;s just plain not having listened. Scientology is there as a summary reference, and resolution, to be used, not to be used by. Scientology is not about agreeing, but about as-is-ing agreements. To most I think their initial goals would be in the range of improving their conditions or abilities (or just getting out of pain and emotional suffering). But as one gains abilities to think more freely, those goals and purposes and envisioned ideal scenes begin to materialize, and improve in specificity, and should be revised periodically. And at some level, the individual will start asking things of himself, or you can ask him about, things such as &quot;What is &#039;friendship,&#039; really? Is there an admin scale for that? What about a big esoteric one, like an admin scale for &quot;Love?&quot; How many forms and definitions are there for that? How does all this work?&quot; And very specific admin scales, like the ones for a single communication cycle. The individual defines their own personal ethics, what they really want out of life, what they really value. And really, I think that&#039;s at least a major goal LRH had, to get the individual to look at and define his or her own personal ethics in relation to others and in relation to Creation. Only the individual himself can do that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ot-ix-x-nonsense/#comment-131543">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Aquamarine, Just when I was thinking, &#8220;Gee &#8230; not one positive comment &#8230;.&#8221; Thank you for some real thought and rational reply. One wouldn&#8217;t imagine that advocating free thought and self-determinism of thought would &#8220;draw fire.&#8221; We get involved in realities, from &#8220;curious about&#8221; to being overwhelmed, to the point where we think realities rule us, and we lose our self-determinism of free thought. Even to the point that some things are not to be perceived (e.g. you wouldn&#8217;t want to say that Earth is not the center of the universe, back before about 1600 AD). All of this is better said in The Factors. The whole line up of the original Bridge was to get the individual to inspect all his or her agreements, at all levels. I don&#8217;t understand all the gradients there, how they all work together. The rest, I&#8217;ve said, but I wanted to emphasize the importance of ethics, of self-determinism, and of admin scales which sketch out goals and purposes. Goals and purposes seem to me to define one&#8217;s ethics. Each individual has many admin scales going, and these are integrated, or nested. Make coffee as part of make breakfast, as part of getting ready to go to work, as part of &#8230; and so on to &#8220;living a good life.&#8221; One person&#8217;s admin scales interact with others. There are zillions in full swing every day, every time anyone says something, but no one had defined the component parts of an admin scale. An economist would say it&#8217;s supply and demand, but some supply and demand is very personal. The subject of admin scales and of personal ethics has been neglected or overlooked, when it should have been a (continuing) primary action, to get the individual to look at what his interest in Scientology is, and what he would like to achieve. People (generalization, there) think Scn is somehow above or not even related to classical philosophy, other religious thought, and psychology, and that&#8217;s just plain not having listened. Scientology is there as a summary reference, and resolution, to be used, not to be used by. Scientology is not about agreeing, but about as-is-ing agreements. To most I think their initial goals would be in the range of improving their conditions or abilities (or just getting out of pain and emotional suffering). But as one gains abilities to think more freely, those goals and purposes and envisioned ideal scenes begin to materialize, and improve in specificity, and should be revised periodically. And at some level, the individual will start asking things of himself, or you can ask him about, things such as &#8220;What is &#8216;friendship,&#8217; really? Is there an admin scale for that? What about a big esoteric one, like an admin scale for &#8220;Love?&#8221; How many forms and definitions are there for that? How does all this work?&#8221; And very specific admin scales, like the ones for a single communication cycle. The individual defines their own personal ethics, what they really want out of life, what they really value. And really, I think that&#8217;s at least a major goal LRH had, to get the individual to look at and define his or her own personal ethics in relation to others and in relation to Creation. Only the individual himself can do that.</p>
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		By: Mike Wynski		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ot-ix-x-nonsense/#comment-131632</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2016 11:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ot-ix-x-nonsense/#comment-131543&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Aqua, an OPINION is something like, &quot;Apples are better than oranges.&quot;   A LIE is something like, &quot;If you eat Cheerios with our special milk you can jump off of a cliff and FLY!&quot;

He&#039;s being pummeled for LYING!  NOT for stating an OPINION.

As an adult you should know the difference betwix the two.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ot-ix-x-nonsense/#comment-131543">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Aqua, an OPINION is something like, &#8220;Apples are better than oranges.&#8221;   A LIE is something like, &#8220;If you eat Cheerios with our special milk you can jump off of a cliff and FLY!&#8221;</p>
<p>He&#8217;s being pummeled for LYING!  NOT for stating an OPINION.</p>
<p>As an adult you should know the difference betwix the two.</p>
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		By: Dent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2016 06:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ot-ix-x-nonsense/#comment-131352&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

ILL-LOGIC:
calling it Total Freedom when stepping outside the bubble is forbidden, and labeling everyone who is not a scn-gist as a lesser being, or inferior, or worse. Total Freedom would include accepting data from more than one source, such being the nature of Truth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ot-ix-x-nonsense/#comment-131352">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>ILL-LOGIC:<br />
calling it Total Freedom when stepping outside the bubble is forbidden, and labeling everyone who is not a scn-gist as a lesser being, or inferior, or worse. Total Freedom would include accepting data from more than one source, such being the nature of Truth.</p>
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		By: blue moon		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ot-ix-x-nonsense/#comment-131624</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blue moon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2016 06:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ot-ix-x-nonsense/#comment-131438&quot;&gt;Jose Chung&lt;/a&gt;.

I believe Dave never graduated from High School,
 tampoco. (neither)
On a lighter note,
I bet the field of Psychiatry could offer up some documentation for him...]]></description>
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<p>I believe Dave never graduated from High School,<br />
 tampoco. (neither)<br />
On a lighter note,<br />
I bet the field of Psychiatry could offer up some documentation for him&#8230;</p>
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		By: blue moon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blue moon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2016 06:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ot-ix-x-nonsense/#comment-131462&quot;&gt;Old Surfer Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

Thunderous applause for OSD, until the roof comes crashing down!*

(*I&#039;m dreaming of the demolition of that big, blue building, 
just to make things right, and send the message out to the world:
this is what the &quot;eternity&quot; in scn-gy really means, which is &quot;condemned&quot;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ot-ix-x-nonsense/#comment-131462">Old Surfer Dude</a>.</p>
<p>Thunderous applause for OSD, until the roof comes crashing down!*</p>
<p>(*I&#8217;m dreaming of the demolition of that big, blue building,<br />
just to make things right, and send the message out to the world:<br />
this is what the &#8220;eternity&#8221; in scn-gy really means, which is &#8220;condemned&#8221;)</p>
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		By: herman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[herman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2016 06:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ot-ix-x-nonsense/#comment-131434&quot;&gt;Leslie Bates&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s where we come in... and thanks to everyone who does post here.
Seriously, everyone. My heartfelt gratitude for getting your Truth out there, however you do it.
so that none of our children be deceived. And, by doing so, we do indeed become greater than our former selves. Amen.

(trusting that it is ok to pray, still...) Mike, we owe you one. Travel safely, and I hope you find many friends.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-ot-ix-x-nonsense/#comment-131434">Leslie Bates</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s where we come in&#8230; and thanks to everyone who does post here.<br />
Seriously, everyone. My heartfelt gratitude for getting your Truth out there, however you do it.<br />
so that none of our children be deceived. And, by doing so, we do indeed become greater than our former selves. Amen.</p>
<p>(trusting that it is ok to pray, still&#8230;) Mike, we owe you one. Travel safely, and I hope you find many friends.</p>
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		By: Kronomex		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2016 05:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On a side note; the following is the blurb for an upcoming Disney, sorry, Marvel comic - 
&quot;This is the one everyone will be talking about! One of the biggest heroes in the Marvel Universe will fall! Who it is and how and why will divide fans for years to come. Will the heroes of the Marvel Universe survive the unthinkable happening? The fallout to this issue is enormous!&quot;

For a few seconds I thought I was reading the usual $camology &quot;gosh, wow&quot; nonsense. In closing; since Disney took over Marvel I stopped buying their product. It&#039;s crap now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a side note; the following is the blurb for an upcoming Disney, sorry, Marvel comic &#8211;<br />
&#8220;This is the one everyone will be talking about! One of the biggest heroes in the Marvel Universe will fall! Who it is and how and why will divide fans for years to come. Will the heroes of the Marvel Universe survive the unthinkable happening? The fallout to this issue is enormous!&#8221;</p>
<p>For a few seconds I thought I was reading the usual $camology &#8220;gosh, wow&#8221; nonsense. In closing; since Disney took over Marvel I stopped buying their product. It&#8217;s crap now.</p>
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