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		By: gato rojo		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-tampa-org-fail/#comment-328736</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gato rojo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Feb 2020 18:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-tampa-org-fail/#comment-327653&quot;&gt;Ammo Alamo&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, they WOULD do that, and have for years. (Whatever it is that ends up going down the drains.) But it&#039;s actually nothing to worry about at all, because there&#039;s no one ON the purif anymore.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-tampa-org-fail/#comment-327653">Ammo Alamo</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, they WOULD do that, and have for years. (Whatever it is that ends up going down the drains.) But it&#8217;s actually nothing to worry about at all, because there&#8217;s no one ON the purif anymore.</p>
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		By: Tracy		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-tampa-org-fail/#comment-328268</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Feb 2020 03:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for exposing this horrific group, Mike. My husband and I just drove by the Ventura grand opening today (we live in Ventura), and we were horrified to see this in our city. To calm our nerves, we came home and watched another episode of you and Leah on Hulu. We will certainly be spreading the word here that these people are frauds. Keep up the good fight, Mike!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for exposing this horrific group, Mike. My husband and I just drove by the Ventura grand opening today (we live in Ventura), and we were horrified to see this in our city. To calm our nerves, we came home and watched another episode of you and Leah on Hulu. We will certainly be spreading the word here that these people are frauds. Keep up the good fight, Mike!</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Feb 2020 18:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-tampa-org-fail/#comment-327972&quot;&gt;Wynski&lt;/a&gt;.

Wynski, wrong again.  If you check at the link I provided, all 50 states have laws about drones; &quot;conservative&quot; Texas has some of the most restrictive in the country:

https://uavcoach.com/drone-laws/\ vc
Constitutional scholars agree that they have a place, particularly when it comes to privacy issues:

Drone Regulations and Fourth Amendment Rights: The Interaction of State Drone Statutes and the Reasonable Expectation of Privacy
http://jlsp.law.columbia.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2017/03/48-Matiteyahu.pdf

Your sadly all too typical response just makes my previous point.   Seriously, I bet you could get a referral from Mike&#039;s Aftermath Foundation, for some of the counselors who help people shake the cult mindset.  Didn&#039;t you get lured in to begin with, due to a desire to work towards being a better person?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-tampa-org-fail/#comment-327972">Wynski</a>.</p>
<p>Wynski, wrong again.  If you check at the link I provided, all 50 states have laws about drones; &#8220;conservative&#8221; Texas has some of the most restrictive in the country:</p>
<p><a href="https://uavcoach.com/drone-laws/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://uavcoach.com/drone-laws/</a>\ vc<br />
Constitutional scholars agree that they have a place, particularly when it comes to privacy issues:</p>
<p>Drone Regulations and Fourth Amendment Rights: The Interaction of State Drone Statutes and the Reasonable Expectation of Privacy<br />
<a href="http://jlsp.law.columbia.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2017/03/48-Matiteyahu.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://jlsp.law.columbia.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2017/03/48-Matiteyahu.pdf</a></p>
<p>Your sadly all too typical response just makes my previous point.   Seriously, I bet you could get a referral from Mike&#8217;s Aftermath Foundation, for some of the counselors who help people shake the cult mindset.  Didn&#8217;t you get lured in to begin with, due to a desire to work towards being a better person?</p>
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		By: Wynski		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wynski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2020 16:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-tampa-org-fail/#comment-327829&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

Peacemaker, California makes MANY laws that are illegal.  That you don&#039;t know that shows your lack of experience in law.  And life in California in general.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-tampa-org-fail/#comment-327829">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>Peacemaker, California makes MANY laws that are illegal.  That you don&#8217;t know that shows your lack of experience in law.  And life in California in general.</p>
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		By: jere Lull (39 years recovering)		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-tampa-org-fail/#comment-327933</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jere Lull (39 years recovering)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2020 09:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-tampa-org-fail/#comment-327608&quot;&gt;Marne&lt;/a&gt;.

Marne, he&#039;s too deep in his cups to do any reading these days. On or off the pot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-tampa-org-fail/#comment-327608">Marne</a>.</p>
<p>Marne, he&#8217;s too deep in his cups to do any reading these days. On or off the pot.</p>
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		By: jere Lull (39 years recovering)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2020 09:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-tampa-org-fail/#comment-327613&quot;&gt;Foremost&lt;/a&gt;.

Foremost, nothing scientology says has even a nodding acquaintance to reality.  That&#039;s appropriate since nothing about scientology had even a nodding acquaintance to reality when Tubby pulled it out of his flabby ... whatever....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-tampa-org-fail/#comment-327613">Foremost</a>.</p>
<p>Foremost, nothing scientology says has even a nodding acquaintance to reality.  That&#8217;s appropriate since nothing about scientology had even a nodding acquaintance to reality when Tubby pulled it out of his flabby &#8230; whatever&#8230;.</p>
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		By: jere Lull (39 years recovering)		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-tampa-org-fail/#comment-327929</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jere Lull (39 years recovering)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2020 09:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-tampa-org-fail/#comment-327654&quot;&gt;Lliira&lt;/a&gt;.

Lliira observed:
&quot;The Purif is pernicious nonsense. It’s just sweat. It’s like used shower water. Which goes through its own purification process before being sent into the water supply again.&quot;

It doesn&#039;t take a rocket scientist – or a nuclear physicist – to realize that the purif never did do no one any good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-tampa-org-fail/#comment-327654">Lliira</a>.</p>
<p>Lliira observed:<br />
&#8220;The Purif is pernicious nonsense. It’s just sweat. It’s like used shower water. Which goes through its own purification process before being sent into the water supply again.&#8221;</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t take a rocket scientist – or a nuclear physicist – to realize that the purif never did do no one any good.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2020 21:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-tampa-org-fail/#comment-327672&quot;&gt;Wynski&lt;/a&gt;.

Wynski, California state and local ordinances do apply to drone flights - and law enforcement officers might well assert the authority to stop them:

Drone Laws in California (2020)

&quot;AB 856 // 2015
This law prohibits entering the airspace of an individual in order to capture an image or recording of that individual engaging in a private, personal or familial activity without permission. This legislation is a response to the use of UAS by the press in covering celebrities and other public figures.&quot;
https://uavcoach.com/drone-laws-california/

While that might seem to not quite apply to an org opening, my guess is that Scientology would claim that Dear Leader (arguably a public figure, plus perhaps with actual celebrities present) is engaged in protected activity on private property, and use their typical persuasive tactics to get law enforcement to take action and worry later about sorting out whether or not they really did so with proper authority - Scientology has a pattern, and unfortunately a successful track record, of creating &quot;facts on the ground&quot; and getting officers to take action even when questionable.  Someone could argue about that, but they might well end up having to do so in court after having been forced to cease using a drone under threat of arrest for failure to obey a lawful order, or obstruction (see PC 148(a)(1)).  Anyone who wants to try such a thing should consult an attorney  beforehand about how to deal with law enforcement officers in such a situation - and better yet even bring counsel with them.

And once again, you are asserting certainty regarding things about which you are completely uninformed and entirely wrong - I catch it fairly frequently with legal and constitutional issues, but usually don&#039;t have time to run down citations and case law to demonstrate it as clearly as here.  Yet you can be unforgiving and even insulting when you think others are in error.  Those are rather Hubbard-like habits that I&#039;d think you&#039;d want to overcome in recovery from your scientology indoctrination, so I&#039;m going to point them out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-tampa-org-fail/#comment-327672">Wynski</a>.</p>
<p>Wynski, California state and local ordinances do apply to drone flights &#8211; and law enforcement officers might well assert the authority to stop them:</p>
<p>Drone Laws in California (2020)</p>
<p>&#8220;AB 856 // 2015<br />
This law prohibits entering the airspace of an individual in order to capture an image or recording of that individual engaging in a private, personal or familial activity without permission. This legislation is a response to the use of UAS by the press in covering celebrities and other public figures.&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://uavcoach.com/drone-laws-california/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://uavcoach.com/drone-laws-california/</a></p>
<p>While that might seem to not quite apply to an org opening, my guess is that Scientology would claim that Dear Leader (arguably a public figure, plus perhaps with actual celebrities present) is engaged in protected activity on private property, and use their typical persuasive tactics to get law enforcement to take action and worry later about sorting out whether or not they really did so with proper authority &#8211; Scientology has a pattern, and unfortunately a successful track record, of creating &#8220;facts on the ground&#8221; and getting officers to take action even when questionable.  Someone could argue about that, but they might well end up having to do so in court after having been forced to cease using a drone under threat of arrest for failure to obey a lawful order, or obstruction (see PC 148(a)(1)).  Anyone who wants to try such a thing should consult an attorney  beforehand about how to deal with law enforcement officers in such a situation &#8211; and better yet even bring counsel with them.</p>
<p>And once again, you are asserting certainty regarding things about which you are completely uninformed and entirely wrong &#8211; I catch it fairly frequently with legal and constitutional issues, but usually don&#8217;t have time to run down citations and case law to demonstrate it as clearly as here.  Yet you can be unforgiving and even insulting when you think others are in error.  Those are rather Hubbard-like habits that I&#8217;d think you&#8217;d want to overcome in recovery from your scientology indoctrination, so I&#8217;m going to point them out.</p>
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		By: Skyler		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2020 16:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-tampa-org-fail/#comment-327738&quot;&gt;Imnewhere&lt;/a&gt;.

I am very sorry if you believe I had brought this up again. I said that I would keep my word not to bring it up.

I sincerely apologize to anyone I have offended and I would implore everyone here not to bring this issue up again and I give you my word that I will do likewise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-tampa-org-fail/#comment-327738">Imnewhere</a>.</p>
<p>I am very sorry if you believe I had brought this up again. I said that I would keep my word not to bring it up.</p>
<p>I sincerely apologize to anyone I have offended and I would implore everyone here not to bring this issue up again and I give you my word that I will do likewise.</p>
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		By: Wynski		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wynski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2020 15:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-tampa-org-fail/#comment-327696&quot;&gt;Old Surfer Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;&#039;m thousands of miles away.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/more-tampa-org-fail/#comment-327696">Old Surfer Dude</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8221;m thousands of miles away.</p>
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