I am not posting comments on here to convince anyone that Dianetics and Scientology works. If you can’t make up your own mind after reading some of the materials but instead basing it on the natterings of others about Hubbard’s petty foibles and mannerisms, which are not the subject of Scientology, then no matter what I say will be pointless. I suggest you either make up your mind one way or the other and leave it that instead of being in a constant quandary about it all!

FP, have you read any of McMaster’s statement? If you’re unable to evaluate data for yourself, I think that pretty much undermines anything else you might try to claim.

I tend to qualify my statements, rather than using the false absolute certainty that some people seem to find attractive. That’s a sign of the sort of critical thinking that Hubbard apparently didn’t appreciate, and didn’t teach.

Yes, I was “in” before and after 1982. And it turns out that I had family who’d known Hubbard in New York and Hollywood back before even Dianetics, who shed some interesting light on things. I’ve also tracked down and talked to a lot of old-timers who went back as far as actually having worked with, and for, Hubbard. So I probably know a lot more about “source,” from people who were actually there, than you do.

And if not McMasters, who else would you suggest we read, to get insight and corroboration about what Hubbard was like, and how Dianetics and Scientology actually evolved? It seems that almost no one who knew and worked with Hubbard, and was involved in developing the “tech,” ended up with much favorable to say about either, which really is a red flag.

Todd, FP (aka Logicproof) really wasn’t “in” as far as being abe to know anything other than what he read from the “church”.

As a comparison: FP was a Deacon under the priest at Parish in a small village on the Kamchatka peninsula in 1800 trying to pretend he knows what is happening sub rosa in the Vatican with the Pope.

Aqua, it IS back but he didn’t throw a punch but tripped over his own feet crossing the threshold and landed flat on his face at Mike’s feet.

🙂

Good comparison Visitor.

Spoken like a truly criminal insane person Logicproof. A death penalty level crime is “nothing” since it was committed by Hubtard.

Hahaha. You obviously have no clue what crimes are and don’t want to know. I give you a list because you say there are none and then you say it’s not impressive. If you had evidence Hubbard beat his wife, married bigamously and disowned his own children you would explain what a wonderful family man he was because that is what you have been told.

It saddens me to watch you announce your delusion every time you post, while asserting you are the only one who sees and everyone else is a “failed case”, has “M/U,s” is an SP, has out lists, bypassed case, is PTS or various other labels scientologists love so much as it makes them feel superior and enlightened when dealing with the wogs.

You seem to be an articulate person. But you display so many of the worst aspects of the deluded.

But that is why I encourage you to post. You are like John Alex Wood on Twitter. He has done more to destroy the reputation of Scientology than anyone since Tommy Davis with his deluded attacks on the wogs.

That wa the party line scientology ran in the 80’s. You just know FP knows only what he has been told about these crimes. He has not read the stipulation of evidence or any of the seized documents. But he won’t admit to that I am sure.

Hypotheticals don’t wiggle you out of this one FP. These are not the whataboutisms you used. You excused the crimes of Scientology by saying whatabout psychs and doctors.

He’s baaaaaaaaaack. 🙂

FP throws the first punch 🙂