This is why I love you, Hallie Jane. The benefits are real to those who have experienced them. Scientology, the study, isn’t suppressive. The ARC triangle has been found to work. Think the comm cycle is a bunch of BS? Try not acknowledging someone repeatedly and see how irritated or angry they get.

I can’t speak for anyone else here but how I feel about this is that someone created methods to help others. The people who are helped are happy to feel that they can improve themselves. The people who apply it are happy that they have found some way to help others.

L. Ron Hubbard has done some crazy things? “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” So did Leonardo Da Vinci. Sir Isaac Newton had his quirks and Mozart, well, Mozart was Mozart.

We can’t say that there is no gravity because Sir Isaac was an occasional hot-head or that Mozart’s music wasn’t as good as it is because Mozart was a wild child. In the same way, Scientology isn’t invalid because of Ron’s High Crime of being human.

If we judge and degrade in this way, we are no better than the MAA’s who tried to degrade us for our human faults…and not paying the IAS.

Great comments Been There and Hallie Jane, you made excellent points.

I can’t help myself right now. Here is the painting of Kurt and Kannon Feshbach:

http://tonyortega.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/KurtKannonFeshbach.jpg

The first time I saw this I cringed and thought “this painting should not see the light of day.” It did however. I couldn’t help but think about photos I have of my husband and daughter, with her arm casually slung over his shoulder like “hey, Dad.” Or some out of time prom photo with Kurt in a tux, except that Kannon has her large, naked pregnant belly exposed.

TheWidowDenk,

That was a lovely remembrance. One would think that Dr. Denk would have been given more respect and care for his service to LRH, even though Dr Denk did not feel entitled. Still, it would have been an appropriate and loving thing to do for him at a time of his own need.

It is conceited and arrogant of the church to promote Matt Feshbach as their golden boy of Scientology with his work and bankruptcy record and current life situation. The CoS thinks that people are stupid and in a sense they are because they never fact check anyone or anything that’s spoon fed to them.

It is also conceited on the part of Matt Feshbach to accept this adulation and respect from the public while not being honest about his own finances and work record of the Feshbach Brothers with the parishioners. How about telling people to live within their means and to honor their financial obligations, such as paying taxes (no matter how much you may not like it)?

I attended a Flag World Tour Event several years ago in which Matt Feshbach was one of the featured speakers (the second one). He tooted his own horn about how much money he made with Feshbach Brothers but left out how that turned out, of course. He never mentioned bankruptcy. He put down people who went to college “to drink beer.” In fact, all he talked about was how wonderful and excellent he is in everything he does, including his wife, kids and even the people his children married. It was pretty dull and everyone was slumped over in their seats by the time he finished speaking. The life and air was sucked out of the room. He came across as a very self-involved, conceited man. Not only in my opinion but the person I attended the event with too, who is a devout public. And judging by the audiences reaction to him, I’m guessing they also didn’t get a warm and fuzzy feeling listening to him either but probably couldn’t figure out why. This is because as Matt congratulates himself, he links it to going to Flag and doing Scientology. Covert methods.

I understand completely TheWidowDenk. I can see why Dr. Denk would feel invalidated and slighted, rightly so. A private place for some people to receive auditing could be very appropriate if considered and treated properly. The glitz over substance problem was starting to manifest. Btw, Dr. Denk treated my children and I thought he was lovely.

Thanks for your comment Hallie Jane. Rest assured, LRH gave generously to Dr Denk as well. During that 1984-1986 time period, he spent time with him; he put him on Solo NOTS and CS’d him; he provided for his room and board, etc; and, when the cycle was over, Dr Denk was well paid for his time. By now, we’ve heard so much of the subsequent power struggle, the abusive treatment of personnel, the altering of purposes, etc, I have few doubts that Dr Denk did the best he could with what he had to work with and maintained a semblance of freedom. I do consider your comment as a complement while clarifying the exchange factor. Dr Denk never felt he was owed anything. But he wore a very big hat in our community and shoveling him off to Flag on public lines was probably not the best decision by the new regime that needed to curry favor among the rich and famous.

I did not understand why this was confidential .. so I did not sign the contract .. although a good idea to do it properly .. I am happy that I did not sign, it is about 20 years ago .. and the final end is not what was said in the first place ..

What is confidential about to get some by-passed charge out of the road .. I mean Super Power is nothing else than bring you again in power .. there ist no Super .. only that you can learn about why you lost your power .. lost sense .. lost your own view what you are doing really .. bringing you back to your own original power .. GAT II should teach you that there will be no Super Power available for staff ..

I love these Celebutologists. Not only are they legends in their own minds, but they are legends in a bunch of Flavour-Aid drinkers’ minds too! I mean, the Feschbacks, in real life, are disgraced. That singer, what’s her name Stacy Francis – all vibrato and melismatic overkill glossed with bad pitch – is, in Scientology, promoted as some kind of major international “star.” They’re scraping the bottom of the barrel.

I think that’s because one is manipulated to join through emotional manipulation. And some people are vulnerable to that, smart or not.

From Peter Bonyai’s excellent book ‘Money, Power, Servitude: Adventures in the Wonderland of Scientology’

“The main thing was to divert the matter to an emotional level and make it a question of belief. This was an excellent way of dispensing with rational computations and common sense.”