Nope. That is the old business along with Granite, Momentum Mortgage and the US Army Corps of Engineers. They seem to have taken over the whole building where lots of stuff in the downstairs parking garage but no actual building.

Cindy – I was being facetious which didn’t come across. There was an expression in scn, “flow power to power”. I didn’t realize that a lot of the power (money) I was flowing was going into Elron’s bank accounts where it sat idle. These days DM lives a more lavish lifestyle than Elron did and a lot of the “power” flows to building empty Morgs which sit idle. Such irony and absurdity and many other descriptions.

Before the monthly price increases around 1980 I thought the prices were reasonable and I only paid for training and auditing so even if Elron was getting rich at least I was getting something for my money. That was then and this is now.

Rip – Thanks for the informative comments here and above. There are many variations in the depth of belief people had and still have in the current CoS which you express very well.

I understand, Rip. I understand that mindset.

As an illustration:

I know women who have a similar mindset about men they’ve been with for many years – men who in one way or another make them very unhappy. “I know he loves me, the other women mean nothing to him”…”He’s verbally abusive to me because ______and he’s trying hard to change but because of _________its hard for him, but I know he loves me”…”The children would be destroyed”…”The grandchildren are so attached to him”…”He doesn’t realize it but he needs me more than I need him”…”I’ve invested so many years and I have to make this work”. These women – and I know 4 of them – are unhappy, ANGRY, mistrustful and physically unhealthy. They will never leave. They have all their excuses and justifications – very noble ones, too. And each year they get more unhappy, angrier and sicker. Choices, you know?

Like these women I know, the Still In Scientologists, the old ones, are “invested”. Like these women who dedicated their lives to their relationships working out, the Still Ins have dedicated their lives to Scientology working out for them, coming thru for them. The older they get the more desperate they are to hold on. It should be the opposite, you know. It should be that the older they get the easier it should be to let go, because, we’re all going to die for one reason or another someday anyway. But no. They have to be RIGHT. Its sad, but they’ve made their choices.

With all the information that’s out there, if they haven’t left by now, or if they’re not UTR and planning to leave by now, then they’ll go down with the ship or die, whichever comes first. Given how unhealthy many of the old ones are, how stressed and cancer prone they seem to be, given their frequently deplorable state of health, they might just be trying to kill themselves off so they don’t have to confront having been wrong, for years and years and years. Possibly its just too painful.

…….in my last waning days before I woke up…..

I would listen to the lies at events..and inwardly shake my head at all the “outpoints” and obvious “omitted data” … and justify it, forgive it, as being somehow wrapped up in keeping spirits up and staying positive and theta, focusing on postulates..etc. Management may have failings, but it was all for the cause and LRH was the stable datum.

So

it just may be possible that many of the still ins, actually believe still. Some may believe in the Ideal Orgs or St. Hill games…

It’s deep hole.

Deeep Deeeeep hole.

I know….

I’m still crawling up………………and out

Richard, if you consider LRH did well by dying in a Bluebird trailer hiding from the law, shot full of Vistaril, and having had several strokes and no medical help for any of these said strokes, then I guess you’re right. But to me, it doesn’t make any difference how rich you are if your quality of life sucks, which LRH’s did ever since the 80’s or even earlier. His money didn’t buy him comfort in the end.

Rip,

I luvya but respectfully, YOU don’t get it.

Buying and renovating buildings has for some time had NOTHING to do with the “expansion” of Scientology. It is Miscavige’s scam to keep Scientology’s tax exempt status while “proving” to the sheeple that new buildings are desperately NEEDED (or else why would he be buying them? that’s how that circular logic goes) so that the Sheeple keep DONATING, so that he can buy MORE buildings and keep the IRS off his back, and so on, and so on, and so on.

Be they ordinary sheeple or Whales, this will continue for as long as the Sheeple DONATE.

Miscavige HAS TO buy buildings. He MUST acquire real estate. CO$ doesn’t feed the hungry, doesn’t house the homeless, doesn’t do ANYTHING or spend ANY money or time and effort doing anything for the community that other churches and tax exempt organizations do.

ALL he does is buy buildings, with other peoples’ money, whenever possible. This is his ONLY way of demonstrating to the IRS his “contributions” and “service to the community” which justify Scientology being tax exempt.

Mike explained this beautifully and at length in several former articles.

I believe many of the old timers have actually caught on by now which is forcing Miscavige to spend his OWN money to buy buildings.

Only the rock-dumbest of room A/C IQ people would not wise up to this scam ere long, but apparently there are those still donating to Ideal Morgues. As The Man said, none so blind as though who will not see, and so forth.

I can see how you could think that…but no….. I’m not believing in any of the tek… it’s a tricky thing to accuse Scios of not applying the correct lunatic tek, it can make one look like a Win Hugger.

And that….I am most certainly, NOT! I’ve hucked every bit in the trash bin and constantly peel off more bits. (some stuff is so deep, I “feel” it’s true, even when I know it’s not – it pisses me off that my ‘gut’ is still so conditioned)

I was making fun of DM because he’s not even applying the tek. The bedrock core of Scn is KSW, right? So it’s SO freakin weird that they don’t even apply the most important thing to them. KSW is “out”.

It’s twisted. I know.

….
But also… there is truth in the concept of surveys. Hubbard didn’t invent the idea of asking people what they like and then trying to do that.

From old surveys, most people get in from personal contact, and personal follow up and “care”. The new Div 6 stuff is great, it will get NO ONE in. 🙂 All a bunch of screens and canned ham.

…….
and ..actually? I think that Scn is dangerous enough that if it went back to the “old ways” where it was all more personal and friendly, they COULD get people in still. Not like the old days… but there is still enough brokenness out there… people respond to love bombing.

Just my thoughts.