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		By: M_Collins		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-285135</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2019 21:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-283071&quot;&gt;Cat W.&lt;/a&gt;.

This reminds me of the CBS story about Down Syndrome disappearing from Iceland:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/down-syndrome-iceland/

&quot;Inside the country where Down Syndrome is disappearing&quot; makes it sound like the condition known as Down Syndrome is being eradicated like they&#039;ve developed a cure or something. But read the article is and all it says is that 100% of the women who get pre-natal screening that detects Down Syndrome are aborting their babies. The headline is just deceptive clickbait.

This is not eradicating Down Syndrome any more than destroying beggars cures leprosy. It&#039;s just killing innocent people.

So what does Scientology do with Down Syndrome? Can a developmentally disabled person be cleared? Can Dianetics remove the third chromosome on the 21st pair?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-283071">Cat W.</a>.</p>
<p>This reminds me of the CBS story about Down Syndrome disappearing from Iceland:<br />
<a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/down-syndrome-iceland/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.cbsnews.com/news/down-syndrome-iceland/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Inside the country where Down Syndrome is disappearing&#8221; makes it sound like the condition known as Down Syndrome is being eradicated like they&#8217;ve developed a cure or something. But read the article is and all it says is that 100% of the women who get pre-natal screening that detects Down Syndrome are aborting their babies. The headline is just deceptive clickbait.</p>
<p>This is not eradicating Down Syndrome any more than destroying beggars cures leprosy. It&#8217;s just killing innocent people.</p>
<p>So what does Scientology do with Down Syndrome? Can a developmentally disabled person be cleared? Can Dianetics remove the third chromosome on the 21st pair?</p>
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		By: Wynski		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-284460</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2019 19:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-283141&quot;&gt;Scribe&lt;/a&gt;.

Scribe, that kid was running loose in Hollyweird before DM was in control.  Blame the cause, HUBBARD.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-283141">Scribe</a>.</p>
<p>Scribe, that kid was running loose in Hollyweird before DM was in control.  Blame the cause, HUBBARD.</p>
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		By: Wynski		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-284459</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2019 19:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-283131&quot;&gt;Kati Maines&lt;/a&gt;.

Yep, people are unwilling to pay so there can be no service.  Pretty simple actually.  If enough people WANTED something better they would pay for it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-283131">Kati Maines</a>.</p>
<p>Yep, people are unwilling to pay so there can be no service.  Pretty simple actually.  If enough people WANTED something better they would pay for it.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-284060</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 22:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-283943&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

FP, I bet you also don&#039;t think you know any scientologists who would put anyone, much less a child, in a chain locker on a ship, or throw people who can&#039;t swim overboard into the sea.  And yet we know that Hubbard&#039;s directives about such things were indeed meant to be taken literally, and that he observed with satisfaction as many of his followers faithfully carried them out exactly as ordered, on a regular basis.

You probably also don&#039;t think you know anyone who would be involved with the &quot;the hole&quot; or any of the worst incarnations of the RPF subsequent to the chain locker - though if you were in Scientology long enough, you may well actually have known someone who was or is.  Those are of course the present-day implementations, of the sort of ruthless means for dealing with SPs that Hubbard put his imprimatur on when onboard the ship, restrained only to the anticipated day when &quot;the orgs say what is legal or not.&quot;   

Your denialism reminds me of the Marxist Communists in the 1930s, who thought that a Soviet dictatorship lead by those whose ideology had justified purges and warfare as means to an end, was somehow going to result in the harmonious idyll that it claimed as its theoretical ideal, and who remained in denial even as the reports of horrors, especially under Stalin, came in.  Or of the admirers of Mr. Hitler and his German economic miracle (there was one in our extended family, a second-generation German immigrant) who didn&#039;t think he&#039;d really do the sort of brutal things he wrote and spoke about in the 1920s, and refused to accept the truth until faced with the most awful evidence (though of course some still deny it to this day). 

And how are we to know when Hubbard is supposed to be taken literally, or not - particularly when some of his dictates that might seem unbelievable or inhumane, were in fact carried out, to his personal approval?  Ironically, you&#039;re stuck in the classic problem of dogmatic true believers in traditional religion (what Hubbard considered &quot;implants,&quot; followed by &quot;madmen&quot;), trying to explain away some of the terrible dictates of old &quot;scripture,&quot; that have in fact been acted on over the ages, as somehow now supposed to be treated as if they were always just symbolic or allegorical.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-283943">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>FP, I bet you also don&#8217;t think you know any scientologists who would put anyone, much less a child, in a chain locker on a ship, or throw people who can&#8217;t swim overboard into the sea.  And yet we know that Hubbard&#8217;s directives about such things were indeed meant to be taken literally, and that he observed with satisfaction as many of his followers faithfully carried them out exactly as ordered, on a regular basis.</p>
<p>You probably also don&#8217;t think you know anyone who would be involved with the &#8220;the hole&#8221; or any of the worst incarnations of the RPF subsequent to the chain locker &#8211; though if you were in Scientology long enough, you may well actually have known someone who was or is.  Those are of course the present-day implementations, of the sort of ruthless means for dealing with SPs that Hubbard put his imprimatur on when onboard the ship, restrained only to the anticipated day when &#8220;the orgs say what is legal or not.&#8221;   </p>
<p>Your denialism reminds me of the Marxist Communists in the 1930s, who thought that a Soviet dictatorship lead by those whose ideology had justified purges and warfare as means to an end, was somehow going to result in the harmonious idyll that it claimed as its theoretical ideal, and who remained in denial even as the reports of horrors, especially under Stalin, came in.  Or of the admirers of Mr. Hitler and his German economic miracle (there was one in our extended family, a second-generation German immigrant) who didn&#8217;t think he&#8217;d really do the sort of brutal things he wrote and spoke about in the 1920s, and refused to accept the truth until faced with the most awful evidence (though of course some still deny it to this day). </p>
<p>And how are we to know when Hubbard is supposed to be taken literally, or not &#8211; particularly when some of his dictates that might seem unbelievable or inhumane, were in fact carried out, to his personal approval?  Ironically, you&#8217;re stuck in the classic problem of dogmatic true believers in traditional religion (what Hubbard considered &#8220;implants,&#8221; followed by &#8220;madmen&#8221;), trying to explain away some of the terrible dictates of old &#8220;scripture,&#8221; that have in fact been acted on over the ages, as somehow now supposed to be treated as if they were always just symbolic or allegorical.</p>
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		By: Wynski		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-283994</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 15:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-283943&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

Irrelevant babble Fool.  The FOUNDER advocated it.  Those who follow such a criminally insane person are as insane and criminal]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-283943">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>Irrelevant babble Fool.  The FOUNDER advocated it.  Those who follow such a criminally insane person are as insane and criminal</p>
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		By: Kat LaRue		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-283982</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 14:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-283943&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

Fool,

Hubbard stated this- how can Scientologists pick and choose which statements are supposed to be believed and which ones are not?   How do you know what was in his mind when he wrote that?  the fact that he continually made statements about removing people who stood in his way implies that he was VERY serious about this- he has said that psychiatrists and psychologists are evil and should be destroyed utterly. if they are evil, where do they go in this utopia of cleardom?   Where DO people like me get warehoused?  Apparently scientologists DO believe this because you have not hesitated to make some pretty serious remarks about how you view me.

since you are NOT Hubbard, how can you speak on what HE believed or not?  

And I FULLY believe this sorry excuse for a human being meant every word of his delusional thinking.  INCLUDING the need to delete people.  When will you see the madness that he spewed for what it was- a pathetic, mewling broken man who was unable to face or acknowledge his own inadequacies?  He absolutely KNEW he was unstable mentally and that he had major psychological issues.  That is why he wanted people destroyed- he knew that he would not fare well in a face to face battle with people smarter and better educated than he.  If he had been born in the age of the internet, his fraud would have been apparent immediately and no one in their right mind would have joined his cult.  Unfortunately for the world, and for the people he drew in, information was not readily available.

Go ahead with your whining- I cant wait.

Kat]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-283943">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>Fool,</p>
<p>Hubbard stated this- how can Scientologists pick and choose which statements are supposed to be believed and which ones are not?   How do you know what was in his mind when he wrote that?  the fact that he continually made statements about removing people who stood in his way implies that he was VERY serious about this- he has said that psychiatrists and psychologists are evil and should be destroyed utterly. if they are evil, where do they go in this utopia of cleardom?   Where DO people like me get warehoused?  Apparently scientologists DO believe this because you have not hesitated to make some pretty serious remarks about how you view me.</p>
<p>since you are NOT Hubbard, how can you speak on what HE believed or not?  </p>
<p>And I FULLY believe this sorry excuse for a human being meant every word of his delusional thinking.  INCLUDING the need to delete people.  When will you see the madness that he spewed for what it was- a pathetic, mewling broken man who was unable to face or acknowledge his own inadequacies?  He absolutely KNEW he was unstable mentally and that he had major psychological issues.  That is why he wanted people destroyed- he knew that he would not fare well in a face to face battle with people smarter and better educated than he.  If he had been born in the age of the internet, his fraud would have been apparent immediately and no one in their right mind would have joined his cult.  Unfortunately for the world, and for the people he drew in, information was not readily available.</p>
<p>Go ahead with your whining- I cant wait.</p>
<p>Kat</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-283943</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 07:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is interesting but there is not 1 Scientologist I know who would advocate actually rounding people up and &quot;disposing&quot; of them. It is complete nonsense to suggest that Scientologists would think so and that Hubbard actually thought so. He was making a point! But if you wish to fall for the oft-repeated story line here of Mike&#039;s - which is relying on your literal understanding or rather misunderstanding of the quote and your pent-up vitriol against the Church, then God help you! 

Actually I have more than a sneaking feeling that many of the rather hateful commenters on here would gladly do that which they are implying that Scientologists or Hubbard would do. Certainly many of you have &quot;burnt books&quot; eh?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting but there is not 1 Scientologist I know who would advocate actually rounding people up and &#8220;disposing&#8221; of them. It is complete nonsense to suggest that Scientologists would think so and that Hubbard actually thought so. He was making a point! But if you wish to fall for the oft-repeated story line here of Mike&#8217;s &#8211; which is relying on your literal understanding or rather misunderstanding of the quote and your pent-up vitriol against the Church, then God help you! </p>
<p>Actually I have more than a sneaking feeling that many of the rather hateful commenters on here would gladly do that which they are implying that Scientologists or Hubbard would do. Certainly many of you have &#8220;burnt books&#8221; eh?</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 07:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-283139&quot;&gt;WhatAreYourCrimes&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, literal understanding is an awful thing - for you that is.

But don&#039;t worry, society and you also have the old mainstays of prisons, electro shock treatment and drugs, and death row to fall back on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-283139">WhatAreYourCrimes</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, literal understanding is an awful thing &#8211; for you that is.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t worry, society and you also have the old mainstays of prisons, electro shock treatment and drugs, and death row to fall back on.</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 07:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-283161&quot;&gt;Bakmole&lt;/a&gt;.

If you find the little diagram that accompanies the definition of &quot;aberration&quot; in the Tech Dictionary or it might be the Admin Dictionary, the one with lines crazily shooting out from A-Z and D-G etc, here and there and there and here etc. - and then read your comment again and compare - the similarity is remarkable!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-283161">Bakmole</a>.</p>
<p>If you find the little diagram that accompanies the definition of &#8220;aberration&#8221; in the Tech Dictionary or it might be the Admin Dictionary, the one with lines crazily shooting out from A-Z and D-G etc, here and there and there and here etc. &#8211; and then read your comment again and compare &#8211; the similarity is remarkable!</p>
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		By: Wynski		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-283669</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wynski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jul 2019 21:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-283457&quot;&gt;Peabody&lt;/a&gt;.

Peabody, most people today cannot balance a checkbook.  Humans at their current average IQ level cannot put together a civilization that won&#039;t devolve into a human rights destroying  machine.  Witness the last 4,000 years of recorded history. 97 out 100 people surveyed today have no idea of what human rights are. Thus they don&#039;t know when they are being violated. They&#039;ll answer such insanity as ,&quot;food&quot;, &quot;housing&quot; Medical care&quot; and the like.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/occupy-territory/#comment-283457">Peabody</a>.</p>
<p>Peabody, most people today cannot balance a checkbook.  Humans at their current average IQ level cannot put together a civilization that won&#8217;t devolve into a human rights destroying  machine.  Witness the last 4,000 years of recorded history. 97 out 100 people surveyed today have no idea of what human rights are. Thus they don&#8217;t know when they are being violated. They&#8217;ll answer such insanity as ,&#8221;food&#8221;, &#8220;housing&#8221; Medical care&#8221; and the like.</p>
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