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		By: Susan Springer Brewer		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/off-the-deep-end/#comment-491382</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2022 05:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/off-the-deep-end/#comment-487785&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Surely the comment isn’t saying  Swan’s claim she was deceived- had validity? 

I’m going to call foul on that one.

I’m not agreeing with the idea that it was possible Teal Swan was deceived; please give it a second viewing- I did- so I could be objective and examine the documentary. 

I believe there’s no way to be mistaken… unless the sneer on her face as she was accusing Juliana of having a constant smirk on hers- was some sort of CGI.  I highly doubt that- since the bitterness in her voice was clear and unmistakable as she railroaded the newlywed in the group meeting of her inner circle; Episode 4 a approximately 10 mins in.

I watched The Deep End twice, just to be certain I wasn’t being deceived and impartial in my assessment. I believe the irony of Swan’s opening remarks to Juliana in Episode 4 was not lost on the lady investigator, no accident this particular piece of dialogue was left as it was.

A teeny bit off topic, but those poor dead pets, of Blake’s: seems like something a jilted teen would do as revenge; but same sick kind of alleged revenge misdeed I thought characteristic of a narcissist. So glad not a puppy, cat or baby…still cruel and I felt Blake’s pain.

Thanks for the podcast link, Mike and I’ll be curious  to find out if this documentary is Teal’s swan song. 
Ah- cmon, you were thinking it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/off-the-deep-end/#comment-487785">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Surely the comment isn’t saying  Swan’s claim she was deceived- had validity? </p>
<p>I’m going to call foul on that one.</p>
<p>I’m not agreeing with the idea that it was possible Teal Swan was deceived; please give it a second viewing- I did- so I could be objective and examine the documentary. </p>
<p>I believe there’s no way to be mistaken… unless the sneer on her face as she was accusing Juliana of having a constant smirk on hers- was some sort of CGI.  I highly doubt that- since the bitterness in her voice was clear and unmistakable as she railroaded the newlywed in the group meeting of her inner circle; Episode 4 a approximately 10 mins in.</p>
<p>I watched The Deep End twice, just to be certain I wasn’t being deceived and impartial in my assessment. I believe the irony of Swan’s opening remarks to Juliana in Episode 4 was not lost on the lady investigator, no accident this particular piece of dialogue was left as it was.</p>
<p>A teeny bit off topic, but those poor dead pets, of Blake’s: seems like something a jilted teen would do as revenge; but same sick kind of alleged revenge misdeed I thought characteristic of a narcissist. So glad not a puppy, cat or baby…still cruel and I felt Blake’s pain.</p>
<p>Thanks for the podcast link, Mike and I’ll be curious  to find out if this documentary is Teal’s swan song.<br />
Ah- cmon, you were thinking it.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2022 16:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/off-the-deep-end/#comment-487772&quot;&gt;Jen&lt;/a&gt;.

I have seen a few people respond in this way. Her actions on camera are what they are. Nothing specific is raised, just that it was &quot;made from deception&quot; or some other general complaint. 

What is so remarkable given the subject -- Teal claims she can read people&#039;s minds and predict the future -- is her failure to see what this was going to reveal. Even someone who doesn&#039;t claim such super-powers, but had an iota of self-reflection would know that treating people around her the way she did was not going to look good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/off-the-deep-end/#comment-487772">Jen</a>.</p>
<p>I have seen a few people respond in this way. Her actions on camera are what they are. Nothing specific is raised, just that it was &#8220;made from deception&#8221; or some other general complaint. </p>
<p>What is so remarkable given the subject &#8212; Teal claims she can read people&#8217;s minds and predict the future &#8212; is her failure to see what this was going to reveal. Even someone who doesn&#8217;t claim such super-powers, but had an iota of self-reflection would know that treating people around her the way she did was not going to look good.</p>
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		By: Jen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2022 14:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This documentary was made from deception, Teal explains with video evidence from the crew how she was deceived, and it is truly sad to see how humanity is hungry for this kind of sensation rather than seeing the good behind what Teal Swan is doing and has done.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This documentary was made from deception, Teal explains with video evidence from the crew how she was deceived, and it is truly sad to see how humanity is hungry for this kind of sensation rather than seeing the good behind what Teal Swan is doing and has done.</p>
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		By: JillB		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2022 04:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve just watched the first two episodes (bought it on Amazon Prime) and can feel the tension building as this is explored. A couple of thoughts on these - yes, definitely some similarity to going deeply into whatever the trauma or incident is. And having the person sit there with them while that is going on. Intense though! 
What really struck me though is how when someone is stuck on one thing being the answer to everything, how pervasive and dysfunctional it becomes. Like the carpenter with a hammer where everything looks like a nail. In this case, the sense of needing to turn towards something to see the reality - this can be a healthy approach to wisdom, letting go, breaking through delusion etc. But it is not always the best choice for handling trauma and needs to be held with some sensitivity and care. And when it is done, it needs to be within a person&#039;s ability to handle and look directly at things that can be really intense. 
I just shudder to think about how people who follow her are taken down a path that may not be the right one or might be too heavy for them to process. 
As a C/S when I was in Scn, it was difficult when people did not respond to what was the basic path because there were not a variety of tools to use. Some people had gains easily (whether lasting or not - no certainty here) and some never seemed to move much. The only real choice was to send them to ethics and in retrospect, that seems sad. It was simply because all we had for tools was a hammer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just watched the first two episodes (bought it on Amazon Prime) and can feel the tension building as this is explored. A couple of thoughts on these &#8211; yes, definitely some similarity to going deeply into whatever the trauma or incident is. And having the person sit there with them while that is going on. Intense though!<br />
What really struck me though is how when someone is stuck on one thing being the answer to everything, how pervasive and dysfunctional it becomes. Like the carpenter with a hammer where everything looks like a nail. In this case, the sense of needing to turn towards something to see the reality &#8211; this can be a healthy approach to wisdom, letting go, breaking through delusion etc. But it is not always the best choice for handling trauma and needs to be held with some sensitivity and care. And when it is done, it needs to be within a person&#8217;s ability to handle and look directly at things that can be really intense.<br />
I just shudder to think about how people who follow her are taken down a path that may not be the right one or might be too heavy for them to process.<br />
As a C/S when I was in Scn, it was difficult when people did not respond to what was the basic path because there were not a variety of tools to use. Some people had gains easily (whether lasting or not &#8211; no certainty here) and some never seemed to move much. The only real choice was to send them to ethics and in retrospect, that seems sad. It was simply because all we had for tools was a hammer.</p>
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		By: Ludo		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/off-the-deep-end/#comment-486942</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2022 13:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/off-the-deep-end/#comment-486938&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Well I’m happy to hear that. What I feel is not necessarily the same as what you intend, I’m aware of that, but I just felt I wanted to make the point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/off-the-deep-end/#comment-486938">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Well I’m happy to hear that. What I feel is not necessarily the same as what you intend, I’m aware of that, but I just felt I wanted to make the point.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/off-the-deep-end/#comment-486939</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2022 12:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/off-the-deep-end/#comment-486929&quot;&gt;Anne Hill&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Anne]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/off-the-deep-end/#comment-486929">Anne Hill</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Anne</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2022 12:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/off-the-deep-end/#comment-486930&quot;&gt;Ludo&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, I dont know where you get the idea that I am opposed to all spirituality? That is not true. I am opposed to organizations and leaders that control their subjects. Michael Singer is the exact opposite of that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/off-the-deep-end/#comment-486930">Ludo</a>.</p>
<p>Well, I dont know where you get the idea that I am opposed to all spirituality? That is not true. I am opposed to organizations and leaders that control their subjects. Michael Singer is the exact opposite of that.</p>
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		By: unelectedfloofgoofer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2022 12:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This cult method of getting formerly useful members to off themselves by telling them things will be better in their next life would be more compelling if they could show former members who really did come back in new bodies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This cult method of getting formerly useful members to off themselves by telling them things will be better in their next life would be more compelling if they could show former members who really did come back in new bodies.</p>
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		By: Ludo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2022 11:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Mike, I appreciate what you’re doing with this blog, exposing abuses in scientology and other spiritual groups and movements, but it saddens me when it seems like spirituality as a whole is being bashed and discredited, as there also is a genuine, legitimate form of spirituality that is very dear to me as it brought me to my inner source of joy. It’s not about trying to control people or telling them what to think or do. In fact your work is also spiritual in that sense, as it aims to liberate people. But here’s just one example of what I mean: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IOTwnTtSzvs]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike, I appreciate what you’re doing with this blog, exposing abuses in scientology and other spiritual groups and movements, but it saddens me when it seems like spirituality as a whole is being bashed and discredited, as there also is a genuine, legitimate form of spirituality that is very dear to me as it brought me to my inner source of joy. It’s not about trying to control people or telling them what to think or do. In fact your work is also spiritual in that sense, as it aims to liberate people. But here’s just one example of what I mean: <a href="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IOTwnTtSzvs" rel="nofollow ugc">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IOTwnTtSzvs</a></p>
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		By: Anne Hill		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2022 11:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For a deeper dive into Teal’s history, I highly recommend the podcast “The Gateway” by Jennings Brown. It was the impetus for the Freeform series, and he goes into more detail about the “Satanic Panic” back in the day and how it relates to Teal. Fascinating stuff.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a deeper dive into Teal’s history, I highly recommend the podcast “The Gateway” by Jennings Brown. It was the impetus for the Freeform series, and he goes into more detail about the “Satanic Panic” back in the day and how it relates to Teal. Fascinating stuff.</p>
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