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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/oh-no-now-what/#comment-551951</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2023 21:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/oh-no-now-what/#comment-550937&quot;&gt;Sea Org Tech Discussions&lt;/a&gt;.

@Sea Org Tech Discussion,

Thank you, I have no doubt whatsoever that what you&#039;re telling me is true. I also have reality on what bad auditing can do.  Now,  I&#039;m low on the Bridge, and except for one instance, all of the auditing I had was good.  BUT!   This one instance of bad auditing (by a well meaning I&#039;m sure  intern on course) messed me up for months. I repressed it but eventually got a repair session that helped, but I can still recall the feeling...I was so angry at her! Angry and believe or not, grief stricken!  I was furious and at the same time so sad!  Talk about an over-reaction!  I knew that I was restimulated but had no clue about why I wanted to rip this auditor&#039;s throat out and at the same time also felt like I could cry endlessly and never have it be ok.  VERY strange.   But I kept it inside.  Long story short, months later I originated it and was given a repair session which helped.  Yet I can still recall those emotions - whew!  And this was me on the LOWER bridge getting some misapplied tech.  Frankly, I believe that, barring none, there is nothing worse than bad tech.  I get shudders thinking of all the people who have been subjected to the &quot;3 swing F N&quot; and other horrors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/oh-no-now-what/#comment-550937">Sea Org Tech Discussions</a>.</p>
<p>@Sea Org Tech Discussion,</p>
<p>Thank you, I have no doubt whatsoever that what you&#8217;re telling me is true. I also have reality on what bad auditing can do.  Now,  I&#8217;m low on the Bridge, and except for one instance, all of the auditing I had was good.  BUT!   This one instance of bad auditing (by a well meaning I&#8217;m sure  intern on course) messed me up for months. I repressed it but eventually got a repair session that helped, but I can still recall the feeling&#8230;I was so angry at her! Angry and believe or not, grief stricken!  I was furious and at the same time so sad!  Talk about an over-reaction!  I knew that I was restimulated but had no clue about why I wanted to rip this auditor&#8217;s throat out and at the same time also felt like I could cry endlessly and never have it be ok.  VERY strange.   But I kept it inside.  Long story short, months later I originated it and was given a repair session which helped.  Yet I can still recall those emotions &#8211; whew!  And this was me on the LOWER bridge getting some misapplied tech.  Frankly, I believe that, barring none, there is nothing worse than bad tech.  I get shudders thinking of all the people who have been subjected to the &#8220;3 swing F N&#8221; and other horrors.</p>
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		By: Geoff Levin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2023 15:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Spot on assessment of more game show Bulls—- from Scientology and Davey the fearless leader.
Thanks Mike for the detail and “source” material.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on assessment of more game show Bulls—- from Scientology and Davey the fearless leader.<br />
Thanks Mike for the detail and “source” material.</p>
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		By: mark		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2023 05:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/oh-no-now-what/#comment-550316&quot;&gt;Mikey&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t know about that, Mikey. The strength of Scino Dope notwithstanding, the word in a certain asteroid belt is that there&#039;s a hybrid chronic known as Farsecian-Frolic-Arslykan-Angel-Intergalactic-Booty-Jiggle that will not only get you AND all of your BT&#039;s high, but...will KEEP you high for several earth-moon lunar cycles...]]></description>
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<p>I don&#8217;t know about that, Mikey. The strength of Scino Dope notwithstanding, the word in a certain asteroid belt is that there&#8217;s a hybrid chronic known as Farsecian-Frolic-Arslykan-Angel-Intergalactic-Booty-Jiggle that will not only get you AND all of your BT&#8217;s high, but&#8230;will KEEP you high for several earth-moon lunar cycles&#8230;</p>
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		By: Yawn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2023 01:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/oh-no-now-what/#comment-550937&quot;&gt;Sea Org Tech Discussions&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, unfortunately that is true. It&#039;s like a reverse engineering of sorts. Get in there on the pretext of handling something but being half cocked and do a bad or incomplete job, or in simple layman terms, &#039;stuff it up,&#039; and it can bite back and flatten you. Review auditors are like gold in such circumstances. Anyone with out-int left unhandled knows how valuable the repair action of it is. This mismash of so called &quot;OT data&quot; foolishly played with can and has indiscriminately splattered some who partook of it. You won&#039;t find them very vocal about it though - they just fade off somewhere very resistant to discussing anything about Scientology again (ha, that is the actual bridge for most people who tried it). It&#039;s almost comical if it wasn&#039;t so tragic. Just take a close look of those who managed to get through to OT8 - there&#039;s the true end product of Scientology. The battlefield to get there is littered with human misery and the authoritarian assholes who maintain it from the shadows just waiting for their next victim silly enough to get caught up in it all.  
In many ways the ignorance of auditing and not having an understanding of it shields the potential dangers in it. IMO it is no accident things like Power Processing, R6EW and the CC were dumped as &quot;alternate&quot; and a &quot;Scientology for dummies&quot; system was developed which did not impinge greatly, actually went nowhere except in circles, especially with endless reviews eating up whatever hours you had on account (most insidious accounting/delivery system I&#039;ve ever witnessed). However, it didn&#039;t take much know how to technically deliver or administer. Anyone that could think with the materials was long ago declared. Yet, for awhile didn&#039;t the money just flow! (by deceit). It ended up the only way it could go - the donation route with no exchange.
Hubbard was a mad man and viciously attacked anyone who could make something workable out of the large amount of philosophical &#038; religious information gifted to him or he stole off others. 
Hubbard himself ended up as the prefect example of what not to do. Those influential in the shadows of Scientology&#039;s history never had to rely on the income from the church. Their amusement and control was its own reward.
I will suggest this though as my opinion, the first of the two biggest lies in Scientology is that word, &#039;standard&#039; ie works on 100% of cases. Even the barest of understanding of GPM technology should show you that simply cannot be true. It&#039;s also backed up by the back door in Scientology is through Qual. Why is a backdoor needed if the tech works 100% of the time?
Next, a really big lie, the breath on the mirror  and you can audit routine. It&#039;s a mask for the trickery that the auditor can audit over their own case and it doesn&#039;t affect the PC. Bullshit! That violates what duplication actually is and makes a mockery of PC + auditor is greater than the PCs bank. TRs aren&#039;t &#038; have and never been that effective. Telepathic auditing is possible but that was throw out of Scientology in the late 50s and anyone that could do it was declared from then on. If solo auditing was effective on a broad scale you&#039;d be tripping over over OTs just walking down the street.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/oh-no-now-what/#comment-550937">Sea Org Tech Discussions</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, unfortunately that is true. It&#8217;s like a reverse engineering of sorts. Get in there on the pretext of handling something but being half cocked and do a bad or incomplete job, or in simple layman terms, &#8216;stuff it up,&#8217; and it can bite back and flatten you. Review auditors are like gold in such circumstances. Anyone with out-int left unhandled knows how valuable the repair action of it is. This mismash of so called &#8220;OT data&#8221; foolishly played with can and has indiscriminately splattered some who partook of it. You won&#8217;t find them very vocal about it though &#8211; they just fade off somewhere very resistant to discussing anything about Scientology again (ha, that is the actual bridge for most people who tried it). It&#8217;s almost comical if it wasn&#8217;t so tragic. Just take a close look of those who managed to get through to OT8 &#8211; there&#8217;s the true end product of Scientology. The battlefield to get there is littered with human misery and the authoritarian assholes who maintain it from the shadows just waiting for their next victim silly enough to get caught up in it all.<br />
In many ways the ignorance of auditing and not having an understanding of it shields the potential dangers in it. IMO it is no accident things like Power Processing, R6EW and the CC were dumped as &#8220;alternate&#8221; and a &#8220;Scientology for dummies&#8221; system was developed which did not impinge greatly, actually went nowhere except in circles, especially with endless reviews eating up whatever hours you had on account (most insidious accounting/delivery system I&#8217;ve ever witnessed). However, it didn&#8217;t take much know how to technically deliver or administer. Anyone that could think with the materials was long ago declared. Yet, for awhile didn&#8217;t the money just flow! (by deceit). It ended up the only way it could go &#8211; the donation route with no exchange.<br />
Hubbard was a mad man and viciously attacked anyone who could make something workable out of the large amount of philosophical &amp; religious information gifted to him or he stole off others.<br />
Hubbard himself ended up as the prefect example of what not to do. Those influential in the shadows of Scientology&#8217;s history never had to rely on the income from the church. Their amusement and control was its own reward.<br />
I will suggest this though as my opinion, the first of the two biggest lies in Scientology is that word, &#8216;standard&#8217; ie works on 100% of cases. Even the barest of understanding of GPM technology should show you that simply cannot be true. It&#8217;s also backed up by the back door in Scientology is through Qual. Why is a backdoor needed if the tech works 100% of the time?<br />
Next, a really big lie, the breath on the mirror  and you can audit routine. It&#8217;s a mask for the trickery that the auditor can audit over their own case and it doesn&#8217;t affect the PC. Bullshit! That violates what duplication actually is and makes a mockery of PC + auditor is greater than the PCs bank. TRs aren&#8217;t &amp; have and never been that effective. Telepathic auditing is possible but that was throw out of Scientology in the late 50s and anyone that could do it was declared from then on. If solo auditing was effective on a broad scale you&#8217;d be tripping over over OTs just walking down the street.</p>
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		By: Alcoboy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2023 21:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/oh-no-now-what/#comment-550933&quot;&gt;Cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey, Mike! I think this is for you!]]></description>
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<p>Hey, Mike! I think this is for you!</p>
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		By: Yawn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2023 18:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/oh-no-now-what/#comment-550795&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Hubbard was so unbelievably hypocritical with his claims of problem solving. He never solved the problem of his own case, of his own family troubles or of his church, except for it to make money! Nor did he ever collate a workable or &#039;correct technology&#039; into a bridge as he called it for others to solve their problems either (the evidence has been in on that for a long, long time).  But boy, didn&#039;t he come up with a whole slather of research technologies, auditing procedures etc. dozens &#038; dozens of them. He wouldn&#039;t know a workable problem solving technique if it bit him on the ass. He did have some good stuff though (mostly written by others) mixed up in his gigantic sea of words but he was never humane enough to observe what did or did not benefit people, only himself or those that he feared. He always knew and was paranoid he was being watched.
It is ironic that he stated that if you solve a problem, solve it forever. That aligns with what Mary Baker Eddie of Christian Science proposed, where she said something similar along the lines of, &#039;never enter an impure situation unless you intend to purify it.&#039; 
This stuff about the OT3 materials having the ability to kill people came from somewhere other than Hubbard. However, it went viral, probably on the wishful thinking aspect of the ultimate personal weapon, to kill by thought or words.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/oh-no-now-what/#comment-550795">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Hubbard was so unbelievably hypocritical with his claims of problem solving. He never solved the problem of his own case, of his own family troubles or of his church, except for it to make money! Nor did he ever collate a workable or &#8216;correct technology&#8217; into a bridge as he called it for others to solve their problems either (the evidence has been in on that for a long, long time).  But boy, didn&#8217;t he come up with a whole slather of research technologies, auditing procedures etc. dozens &amp; dozens of them. He wouldn&#8217;t know a workable problem solving technique if it bit him on the ass. He did have some good stuff though (mostly written by others) mixed up in his gigantic sea of words but he was never humane enough to observe what did or did not benefit people, only himself or those that he feared. He always knew and was paranoid he was being watched.<br />
It is ironic that he stated that if you solve a problem, solve it forever. That aligns with what Mary Baker Eddie of Christian Science proposed, where she said something similar along the lines of, &#8216;never enter an impure situation unless you intend to purify it.&#8217;<br />
This stuff about the OT3 materials having the ability to kill people came from somewhere other than Hubbard. However, it went viral, probably on the wishful thinking aspect of the ultimate personal weapon, to kill by thought or words.</p>
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		By: Sea Org Tech Discussions		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2023 18:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/oh-no-now-what/#comment-550795&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

If you had any actual experience of auditing that level in a very poor manner you&#039;d understand it much better. I&#039;ve seen a close relative get restimulated and believe me she did not feel good, was not very pleasant to watch and it&#039;d not get resolved until a Review Auditor repaired whatever neaaded to be fixed. Similarly if you were capable to deal with OT3 charge and you did a poor job as a solo auditor you&#039;d feel really shitty in no time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/oh-no-now-what/#comment-550795">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>If you had any actual experience of auditing that level in a very poor manner you&#8217;d understand it much better. I&#8217;ve seen a close relative get restimulated and believe me she did not feel good, was not very pleasant to watch and it&#8217;d not get resolved until a Review Auditor repaired whatever neaaded to be fixed. Similarly if you were capable to deal with OT3 charge and you did a poor job as a solo auditor you&#8217;d feel really shitty in no time.</p>
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		By: Sea Org Tech Discussions		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2023 17:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/oh-no-now-what/#comment-550067&quot;&gt;Yawn&lt;/a&gt;.

Very accurate statement I can confirm as 100% true.]]></description>
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<p>Very accurate statement I can confirm as 100% true.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2023 17:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/oh-no-now-what/#comment-549880&quot;&gt;The dude&lt;/a&gt;.

I like Claire&#039;s comment of &quot;BT Be Gone!&quot;  That would go great on a merchandise T Shirt or Sweat Shirt:  BT Be Gone.  And then walk around the org wearing the shirt and watch the Scns  run in terror when they read it, while inside the org they hurriedly draw the curtains closed to shelter the ones who haven&#039;t done the OT Levels.  They don&#039;t want them getting pneumonia after reading your T Shirt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/oh-no-now-what/#comment-549880">The dude</a>.</p>
<p>I like Claire&#8217;s comment of &#8220;BT Be Gone!&#8221;  That would go great on a merchandise T Shirt or Sweat Shirt:  BT Be Gone.  And then walk around the org wearing the shirt and watch the Scns  run in terror when they read it, while inside the org they hurriedly draw the curtains closed to shelter the ones who haven&#8217;t done the OT Levels.  They don&#8217;t want them getting pneumonia after reading your T Shirt.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2023 17:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/oh-no-now-what/#comment-549364&quot;&gt;Mary Kahn&lt;/a&gt;.

After completing OT III, I got the shock of my life when I started OT IV and in the first session the auditor said to locate a BT that...  What?  I thought I got rid of them all on OT III?  Well Scn is good at never killing the cash cow.   So BT&#039;s seem to never be gone on OT IV, V, VII,  and even VIII.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/oh-no-now-what/#comment-549364">Mary Kahn</a>.</p>
<p>After completing OT III, I got the shock of my life when I started OT IV and in the first session the auditor said to locate a BT that&#8230;  What?  I thought I got rid of them all on OT III?  Well Scn is good at never killing the cash cow.   So BT&#8217;s seem to never be gone on OT IV, V, VII,  and even VIII.</p>
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