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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2019 17:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-promises-promises-promises/#comment-293647&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

If I installed a dunderhead filter FP you would be its first victim...]]></description>
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<p>If I installed a dunderhead filter FP you would be its first victim&#8230;</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foolproof]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-promises-promises-promises/#comment-293433&quot;&gt;Kronomex&lt;/a&gt;.

Haha! He still doesn&#039;t get it! I would have thought one or more of your fellow suppressives (LOL!) like George, Brian or Wynski would have stepped in by now to point out your mistake, but it seems they are just hoping you will go away and Mike has a stat of &quot;number of words commented&quot; which he reports to A-E TV every week so it seems you won&#039;t get any help from that quarter either. 

No, no, you carry on - it&#039;s a laugh a minute here! Even Ed Parkin  and OSA must be chuckling about this. Mike, can&#039;t you install a &quot;riff-raff&quot; or dunderhead  filter to nip this sort of thing in the bud?

Anyway, hang on, I&#039;ve got even more bets flooding in here... odds are at  1-2 now!]]></description>
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<p>Haha! He still doesn&#8217;t get it! I would have thought one or more of your fellow suppressives (LOL!) like George, Brian or Wynski would have stepped in by now to point out your mistake, but it seems they are just hoping you will go away and Mike has a stat of &#8220;number of words commented&#8221; which he reports to A-E TV every week so it seems you won&#8217;t get any help from that quarter either. </p>
<p>No, no, you carry on &#8211; it&#8217;s a laugh a minute here! Even Ed Parkin  and OSA must be chuckling about this. Mike, can&#8217;t you install a &#8220;riff-raff&#8221; or dunderhead  filter to nip this sort of thing in the bud?</p>
<p>Anyway, hang on, I&#8217;ve got even more bets flooding in here&#8230; odds are at  1-2 now!</p>
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		By: Kronomex		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kronomex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2019 11:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-promises-promises-promises/#comment-293433&quot;&gt;Kronomex&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Foolproof says	
August 24, 2019 at 5:14 am

Haha! This has got to be a Guinness book of records record for the longest running set of comments where one dude has a complete misunderstanding obvious to everyone but himself in his lust to be right and make wrong. Now normally if he (she?) were someone nice or fair(er) like Aqua or Cindy I might put him out of his misery and painstakingly explain it to him, but as I am regaled with a barrage of entheta from him, as well as him “nicely” quoting part of the OTIII materials, please carry on Kronomex making a fool of yourself! I might even open a book (bet) on him as to will he carry on doing so? 4-1? The bets are rolling in already.&quot;

Sigh. As is expected, yet another duck and dodge petulant nonanswewr from you. Pitiful even for your low standards and can only mean your frustration levels are rising as you become more and more annoyed that someone is taking you to task for your bs.  How about surprising me and answering the questions I put to you? Will you? Not very likely given your track record.

&quot;...I might even open a book (bet) on him as to will he carry on doing so? 4-1? The bets are rolling in already.&quot;&quot; So the bets are rolling in already are they? How can they be rolling in if you are only considering opening a book (bet)? Make up your mind you clown! 

&quot;...please carry on Kronomex making a fool of yourself!&quot; The best part of this is that you are an even bigger fool than you make me out to be because you keep on biting and when you get worked up you tend to repeat your short list of insults, with the ever popular phrase &quot;fool&quot; topping the list. So in keeping with the fool motif; if this was a race to see which person was the biggest fool you would consistently keep beating me into first place. 

You are that rarest of creatures, a phoenix oozlum bird so be proud of that because you are one of a kind.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-promises-promises-promises/#comment-293433">Kronomex</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Foolproof says<br />
August 24, 2019 at 5:14 am</p>
<p>Haha! This has got to be a Guinness book of records record for the longest running set of comments where one dude has a complete misunderstanding obvious to everyone but himself in his lust to be right and make wrong. Now normally if he (she?) were someone nice or fair(er) like Aqua or Cindy I might put him out of his misery and painstakingly explain it to him, but as I am regaled with a barrage of entheta from him, as well as him “nicely” quoting part of the OTIII materials, please carry on Kronomex making a fool of yourself! I might even open a book (bet) on him as to will he carry on doing so? 4-1? The bets are rolling in already.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sigh. As is expected, yet another duck and dodge petulant nonanswewr from you. Pitiful even for your low standards and can only mean your frustration levels are rising as you become more and more annoyed that someone is taking you to task for your bs.  How about surprising me and answering the questions I put to you? Will you? Not very likely given your track record.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;I might even open a book (bet) on him as to will he carry on doing so? 4-1? The bets are rolling in already.&#8221;&#8221; So the bets are rolling in already are they? How can they be rolling in if you are only considering opening a book (bet)? Make up your mind you clown! </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;please carry on Kronomex making a fool of yourself!&#8221; The best part of this is that you are an even bigger fool than you make me out to be because you keep on biting and when you get worked up you tend to repeat your short list of insults, with the ever popular phrase &#8220;fool&#8221; topping the list. So in keeping with the fool motif; if this was a race to see which person was the biggest fool you would consistently keep beating me into first place. </p>
<p>You are that rarest of creatures, a phoenix oozlum bird so be proud of that because you are one of a kind.</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foolproof]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2019 09:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-promises-promises-promises/#comment-293433&quot;&gt;Kronomex&lt;/a&gt;.

Haha! This has got to be a Guinness book of records record for the longest running set of comments  where one dude has a complete misunderstanding obvious to everyone but himself in his lust to be right and make wrong.  Now normally if he (she?) were someone nice or fair(er) like Aqua or Cindy  I might put him out of his misery and painstakingly explain it to him, but as I am regaled with a barrage of entheta from him, as well as him &quot;nicely&quot; quoting part of the OTIII materials, please carry on Kronomex making a fool of yourself! I might even open a book (bet) on him as to will he carry on doing so? 4-1? The bets are rolling in already.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-promises-promises-promises/#comment-293433">Kronomex</a>.</p>
<p>Haha! This has got to be a Guinness book of records record for the longest running set of comments  where one dude has a complete misunderstanding obvious to everyone but himself in his lust to be right and make wrong.  Now normally if he (she?) were someone nice or fair(er) like Aqua or Cindy  I might put him out of his misery and painstakingly explain it to him, but as I am regaled with a barrage of entheta from him, as well as him &#8220;nicely&#8221; quoting part of the OTIII materials, please carry on Kronomex making a fool of yourself! I might even open a book (bet) on him as to will he carry on doing so? 4-1? The bets are rolling in already.</p>
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		By: Kronomex		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kronomex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2019 03:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-promises-promises-promises/#comment-293433&quot;&gt;Kronomex&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;He still doesn’t get it. Can someone help him out, to put him out of his misconceived misery? A clay demo? Demo kit? Dictionary?&quot; Don&#039;t try and rope others in to try and explain what what you personally should be doing, that can be construed as an act of intellectual cowardice and sheer laziness. Then again, you always run away don&#039;t you? 

Once again you prove my point that you won&#039;t give an answer or explanation that has any relevance to questions put to you. You just go on being the petulant and increasingly angry little man you are. That&#039;s alright, (pats FP gently on the head) you go and put on your O&#039;Tard pyjamas and climb under your O&#039;Tard sheets and blankets and hug your lifesize O&#039;Tard doll and dream of the brutal and blistering things you want to say to all the nasty people that keep calling you out for the quacksalver you are.

Tomorrow is another day for you continue squirming, twisting, ducking, weaving, and avoiding.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-promises-promises-promises/#comment-293433">Kronomex</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;He still doesn’t get it. Can someone help him out, to put him out of his misconceived misery? A clay demo? Demo kit? Dictionary?&#8221; Don&#8217;t try and rope others in to try and explain what what you personally should be doing, that can be construed as an act of intellectual cowardice and sheer laziness. Then again, you always run away don&#8217;t you? </p>
<p>Once again you prove my point that you won&#8217;t give an answer or explanation that has any relevance to questions put to you. You just go on being the petulant and increasingly angry little man you are. That&#8217;s alright, (pats FP gently on the head) you go and put on your O&#8217;Tard pyjamas and climb under your O&#8217;Tard sheets and blankets and hug your lifesize O&#8217;Tard doll and dream of the brutal and blistering things you want to say to all the nasty people that keep calling you out for the quacksalver you are.</p>
<p>Tomorrow is another day for you continue squirming, twisting, ducking, weaving, and avoiding.</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foolproof]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2019 01:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-promises-promises-promises/#comment-293433&quot;&gt;Kronomex&lt;/a&gt;.

He still doesn&#039;t get it. Can someone help him out, to put him out of his misconceived misery? A clay demo? Demo kit? Dictionary?]]></description>
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<p>He still doesn&#8217;t get it. Can someone help him out, to put him out of his misconceived misery? A clay demo? Demo kit? Dictionary?</p>
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		By: Kronomex		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kronomex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2019 23:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-promises-promises-promises/#comment-293433&quot;&gt;Kronomex&lt;/a&gt;.

Are you really so blind that you can&#039;t see that you are digging yourself into a hole that will eventually collapse in on you? You duck and weave and dodge and prove, yet again, that you have no real answers to any questions put to you. Just petulance.

&quot;Well, I don’t need to prove you wrong – you do that yourself as obviously you can’t see that there is actually no discrepancy between the 2 statements.&quot;

I will repeat again, 

First it was, “I know personally of 2 people who were exposed to this material (OTIII) with no previous auditing and went for a spin.”
And all of a sudden it has become, “They weren’t even Scientologists.” Stick with one story and stop changing it to suit yourself. They either were or were not $camologists.

Yes, you do need to prove me wrong. How did these two people get ahold of the OTIII material in the first place if “They weren’t even Scientologists.” Did the material they look at also include the following crazed pulp ravings of O&#039;Tard?

&quot; The head of the Galactic Federation (76 planets around larger stars visible from here) (founded 95,000,000 years ago, very space opera) solved overpopulation (250 billion or so per planet - 178 billion on average) by mass implanting..
      He caused people to be brought to Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H-Bomb on the principal volcanos (incident II) and then the Pacific area ones were taken - in boxes to Hawaii and the Atlantic area ones to Las Palmas and there &quot;packaged&quot;.
      His name was Xenu. He used renegades. Various misleading data by means of circuits etc was placed in the unplants. When through with his crime loyal officers (to the people) captured him after six years of battle and put him in an electronic mountain trap where he still is. &quot;They&quot; are gone. The place (Confederation) has since been a desert.

      The length and brutality of it all was such that this Confederation never recovered. The implant is calculated to kill (by pneumonia etc) anyone who attempts to solve it. This liability has been dispensed with by my tech development. One can freewheel through the implant and die unless it is approached as precisely outlined. The &quot;freewheel&quot; (auto-running on and on) lasts too long, denies sleep etc and one dies. So be careful to do only Incidents I and II as given and not plow around and fail to complete one thetan at a time.
      In December 1967 1 know someone had to take the plunge. I did and emerged very knocked out, but alive. Probably the only one ever to do so in 75,000,000 years. I have all the data now, but only that given here is needful.
      One&#039;s body is a mass of individual thetans stuck to oneself or to the body.
      One has to clean them off by running incident II and Incident I. It is a long job, requiring care, patience and good auditing.
      You are running beings. They respond like any preclear. Some large, some small.
      Thetans believed they were one. This is the primary error.
      Good luck.&quot;

Once more I expect I will get nothing relevant from you in reply although it will rather be intriguing as to how you spin your &quot;reply.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-promises-promises-promises/#comment-293433">Kronomex</a>.</p>
<p>Are you really so blind that you can&#8217;t see that you are digging yourself into a hole that will eventually collapse in on you? You duck and weave and dodge and prove, yet again, that you have no real answers to any questions put to you. Just petulance.</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, I don’t need to prove you wrong – you do that yourself as obviously you can’t see that there is actually no discrepancy between the 2 statements.&#8221;</p>
<p>I will repeat again, </p>
<p>First it was, “I know personally of 2 people who were exposed to this material (OTIII) with no previous auditing and went for a spin.”<br />
And all of a sudden it has become, “They weren’t even Scientologists.” Stick with one story and stop changing it to suit yourself. They either were or were not $camologists.</p>
<p>Yes, you do need to prove me wrong. How did these two people get ahold of the OTIII material in the first place if “They weren’t even Scientologists.” Did the material they look at also include the following crazed pulp ravings of O&#8217;Tard?</p>
<p>&#8221; The head of the Galactic Federation (76 planets around larger stars visible from here) (founded 95,000,000 years ago, very space opera) solved overpopulation (250 billion or so per planet &#8211; 178 billion on average) by mass implanting..<br />
      He caused people to be brought to Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H-Bomb on the principal volcanos (incident II) and then the Pacific area ones were taken &#8211; in boxes to Hawaii and the Atlantic area ones to Las Palmas and there &#8220;packaged&#8221;.<br />
      His name was Xenu. He used renegades. Various misleading data by means of circuits etc was placed in the unplants. When through with his crime loyal officers (to the people) captured him after six years of battle and put him in an electronic mountain trap where he still is. &#8220;They&#8221; are gone. The place (Confederation) has since been a desert.</p>
<p>      The length and brutality of it all was such that this Confederation never recovered. The implant is calculated to kill (by pneumonia etc) anyone who attempts to solve it. This liability has been dispensed with by my tech development. One can freewheel through the implant and die unless it is approached as precisely outlined. The &#8220;freewheel&#8221; (auto-running on and on) lasts too long, denies sleep etc and one dies. So be careful to do only Incidents I and II as given and not plow around and fail to complete one thetan at a time.<br />
      In December 1967 1 know someone had to take the plunge. I did and emerged very knocked out, but alive. Probably the only one ever to do so in 75,000,000 years. I have all the data now, but only that given here is needful.<br />
      One&#8217;s body is a mass of individual thetans stuck to oneself or to the body.<br />
      One has to clean them off by running incident II and Incident I. It is a long job, requiring care, patience and good auditing.<br />
      You are running beings. They respond like any preclear. Some large, some small.<br />
      Thetans believed they were one. This is the primary error.<br />
      Good luck.&#8221;</p>
<p>Once more I expect I will get nothing relevant from you in reply although it will rather be intriguing as to how you spin your &#8220;reply.&#8221;</p>
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		By: mwesten		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2019 20:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-promises-promises-promises/#comment-293106&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

@FP, if what you suggest is true there would arguably be major spikes in hospitalisations (eg. affective psychosis, reactive psychosis, episodic mood disorders, etc) following major OTIII exposès. A quick analysis shows no such evidence. 

Take South Park, for example. First aired in late 2005. You&#039;d think there&#039;d be something to show for it. Yet stats for all ICD codes for psychosis and psychotic-related disorders are down for both 2005 and 2006. There&#039;s not even a blip. Why do you suppose that is? 

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<p>@FP, if what you suggest is true there would arguably be major spikes in hospitalisations (eg. affective psychosis, reactive psychosis, episodic mood disorders, etc) following major OTIII exposès. A quick analysis shows no such evidence. </p>
<p>Take South Park, for example. First aired in late 2005. You&#8217;d think there&#8217;d be something to show for it. Yet stats for all ICD codes for psychosis and psychotic-related disorders are down for both 2005 and 2006. There&#8217;s not even a blip. Why do you suppose that is? </p>
<p>Ref: <a href="https://hcupnet.ahrq.gov" rel="nofollow ugc">https://hcupnet.ahrq.gov</a></p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foolproof]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2019 15:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-promises-promises-promises/#comment-293433&quot;&gt;Kronomex&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, I don&#039;t need to prove you wrong - you do that yourself as obviously you can&#039;t see that there is actually no discrepancy between the 2 statements. In your haste to denigrate and vent your chagrin again you launch into a huge tirade and your embarrassing failure to duplicate is now there for all the world to see. It is fortunate that you have excluded yourself from Scientology as it has no doubt saved course supervisors a huge amount of time with trying to make you understand anything. I suggest you stop embarrassing yourself.]]></description>
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<p>Well, I don&#8217;t need to prove you wrong &#8211; you do that yourself as obviously you can&#8217;t see that there is actually no discrepancy between the 2 statements. In your haste to denigrate and vent your chagrin again you launch into a huge tirade and your embarrassing failure to duplicate is now there for all the world to see. It is fortunate that you have excluded yourself from Scientology as it has no doubt saved course supervisors a huge amount of time with trying to make you understand anything. I suggest you stop embarrassing yourself.</p>
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		By: Brian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2019 14:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-promises-promises-promises/#comment-292832&quot;&gt;Brian&lt;/a&gt;.

Or in a state of intelligent differentiation and seeing that which one “knows” is found to be false through self inquiry, analysis and brutal self honesty.

Then we say ‘no” to make believe, and label it as it is: wrong knowledge.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-and-x-promises-promises-promises/#comment-292832">Brian</a>.</p>
<p>Or in a state of intelligent differentiation and seeing that which one “knows” is found to be false through self inquiry, analysis and brutal self honesty.</p>
<p>Then we say ‘no” to make believe, and label it as it is: wrong knowledge.</p>
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