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		By: Gus Cox		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jul 2013 05:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-x-promises-promises/#comment-7416&quot;&gt;Cooper Kessel&lt;/a&gt;.

Hugging, handshaking... and don&#039;t forget saluting!  Oh, what a moving moment that was, when Cruise and HWMNBN held that salute...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-x-promises-promises/#comment-7416">Cooper Kessel</a>.</p>
<p>Hugging, handshaking&#8230; and don&#8217;t forget saluting!  Oh, what a moving moment that was, when Cruise and HWMNBN held that salute&#8230;</p>
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		By: Jane Doe		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-x-promises-promises/#comment-7603</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane Doe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jul 2013 15:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-x-promises-promises/#comment-7550&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Aquamarine,  Yes, what you say is so true.  And also I have seen young SO members and young public  scorn going to college or any kind of other training that will get them a good job, by quoting one line form LRH out of the millions of lines he wrote. He says somewhere, maybe in the Student Hat, that a person gets dumber with every year of college he has.So they use this as the justifier. But they fail to remember from TWTH, &quot;Be Competent.&quot;  And being competent can mean getting the training, hatting, education you need to be able to  make more than minimum wage at a job.  God help them when they finally leave the cult.  No skills, no education, semi literate, and no resume.  I feel for them should that time come.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-x-promises-promises/#comment-7550">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Aquamarine,  Yes, what you say is so true.  And also I have seen young SO members and young public  scorn going to college or any kind of other training that will get them a good job, by quoting one line form LRH out of the millions of lines he wrote. He says somewhere, maybe in the Student Hat, that a person gets dumber with every year of college he has.So they use this as the justifier. But they fail to remember from TWTH, &#8220;Be Competent.&#8221;  And being competent can mean getting the training, hatting, education you need to be able to  make more than minimum wage at a job.  God help them when they finally leave the cult.  No skills, no education, semi literate, and no resume.  I feel for them should that time come.</p>
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		By: Jane Doe		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-x-promises-promises/#comment-7601</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane Doe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jul 2013 15:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-x-promises-promises/#comment-7440&quot;&gt;Cooper Kessel&lt;/a&gt;.

Got wise when they wanted all the money so that there was no back door, and decided to leave, so never made it in the SO, and that was the smartest thing he could ever have done.  A crisis averted, and the church shooting itself in the foot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-x-promises-promises/#comment-7440">Cooper Kessel</a>.</p>
<p>Got wise when they wanted all the money so that there was no back door, and decided to leave, so never made it in the SO, and that was the smartest thing he could ever have done.  A crisis averted, and the church shooting itself in the foot.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-x-promises-promises/#comment-7551</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jun 2013 22:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-x-promises-promises/#comment-7439&quot;&gt;Scientology is dead.&lt;/a&gt;.

S.I.D., are your questions rhetorical?  If not, then why are you hanging around?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-x-promises-promises/#comment-7439">Scientology is dead.</a>.</p>
<p>S.I.D., are your questions rhetorical?  If not, then why are you hanging around?</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jun 2013 22:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-x-promises-promises/#comment-7437&quot;&gt;Jane Doe&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;I think instead of creating their lives, these guppies want someone to create it for them and they bask in the innocent bliss of ignorance&quot;.  

From my perspective this is so true.  Its just so easy to not have to make major decisions about one&#039;s own life, and instead have one&#039;s choices policed by the RCS&#039;s &quot;greatest good&quot;, to clear the planet.  

How &quot;easy&quot;  to neglect one&#039;s formal education starting with dropping out of high school, so that one grows up in America as a de-facto ignorant semi-literate.  How understandable that one neglect to hat oneself in some field so that one is unable to earn a living.  Then, in adulthood, how inevitable that unless one is a trust fund baby or possessing of parents with a family business that one will be unable to pay one&#039;s bills and will at some point declare bankruptcy.  

And the irony is that such unwillingness to take responsibility for one&#039;s first-dynamic  is thoroughly lauded by the &quot;Church&quot;.  

I have personally been the receipt point of communications regarding dropping out of school, about not training or becoming hatted in the Wog World, about not pursuing some trade or vocation for which their was interest and affinity and possibly talent, for not paying bills and taxes, violating financial conditions formulas and shunting and/or borrowing money which caused great difficulties, and for declaring bankruptcy.  These irresponsibilites were points of PRIDE with the K/A drinkers.  They were PROUD of these these not-doingnesses of theirs.  NOT ONCE did an RCSer ever originate such a confidence to me with even a hint of embarrassment or apology and over the years I heard about 9 direct originations like this.  By way of response, and in order to cover my own embarrassment for the lack of embarrassment of the originator, I would always lift the corners of my mouth as high as possible, and say, &quot;Wow&quot;. Very phony on my part, of course, but at the time, how could I respond in an honest way to such  proud yet foolish and off-policy self sacrifice? ...&quot;Uh - you&#039;re really f***ked up, aren&#039;t you?&quot;  Conceptually,  that&#039;s how I would respond today, that&#039;s for sure.

Today I look back on this and wonder how it was that I too did not fall wholly into the trap.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-x-promises-promises/#comment-7437">Jane Doe</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think instead of creating their lives, these guppies want someone to create it for them and they bask in the innocent bliss of ignorance&#8221;.  </p>
<p>From my perspective this is so true.  Its just so easy to not have to make major decisions about one&#8217;s own life, and instead have one&#8217;s choices policed by the RCS&#8217;s &#8220;greatest good&#8221;, to clear the planet.  </p>
<p>How &#8220;easy&#8221;  to neglect one&#8217;s formal education starting with dropping out of high school, so that one grows up in America as a de-facto ignorant semi-literate.  How understandable that one neglect to hat oneself in some field so that one is unable to earn a living.  Then, in adulthood, how inevitable that unless one is a trust fund baby or possessing of parents with a family business that one will be unable to pay one&#8217;s bills and will at some point declare bankruptcy.  </p>
<p>And the irony is that such unwillingness to take responsibility for one&#8217;s first-dynamic  is thoroughly lauded by the &#8220;Church&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I have personally been the receipt point of communications regarding dropping out of school, about not training or becoming hatted in the Wog World, about not pursuing some trade or vocation for which their was interest and affinity and possibly talent, for not paying bills and taxes, violating financial conditions formulas and shunting and/or borrowing money which caused great difficulties, and for declaring bankruptcy.  These irresponsibilites were points of PRIDE with the K/A drinkers.  They were PROUD of these these not-doingnesses of theirs.  NOT ONCE did an RCSer ever originate such a confidence to me with even a hint of embarrassment or apology and over the years I heard about 9 direct originations like this.  By way of response, and in order to cover my own embarrassment for the lack of embarrassment of the originator, I would always lift the corners of my mouth as high as possible, and say, &#8220;Wow&#8221;. Very phony on my part, of course, but at the time, how could I respond in an honest way to such  proud yet foolish and off-policy self sacrifice? &#8230;&#8221;Uh &#8211; you&#8217;re really f***ked up, aren&#8217;t you?&#8221;  Conceptually,  that&#8217;s how I would respond today, that&#8217;s for sure.</p>
<p>Today I look back on this and wonder how it was that I too did not fall wholly into the trap.</p>
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		By: Roy Macgregor		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jun 2013 20:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-x-promises-promises/#comment-7408&quot;&gt;sets guy&lt;/a&gt;.

Actually, you could still be there, and stay there till you die. Some did.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-x-promises-promises/#comment-7408">sets guy</a>.</p>
<p>Actually, you could still be there, and stay there till you die. Some did.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jun 2013 19:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-x-promises-promises/#comment-7436&quot;&gt;Forever Lurker&lt;/a&gt;.

OK, glad it helped. 

And happy you read Marty&#039;s books as there is much more context to understand how things work contained within those pages.

I try to answer people&#039;s questions when I can, though sometimes it is difficult without spending a lot of time that I don&#039;t have available to give complete answers.]]></description>
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<p>OK, glad it helped. </p>
<p>And happy you read Marty&#8217;s books as there is much more context to understand how things work contained within those pages.</p>
<p>I try to answer people&#8217;s questions when I can, though sometimes it is difficult without spending a lot of time that I don&#8217;t have available to give complete answers.</p>
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		By: Robin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jun 2013 19:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From what I understand much of the research for the levels above what was then OT VII was conducted in the late &#039;60&#039;s early &#039;70&#039;s and according to the HCOBs Scn &#038; Dn State of the Materials and Tech Correction Roundup exist in note form.

The theory behind OT VIII itself was issued in a &quot;Secret&quot; HCOB in late &#039;68.

I really get tired of people saying these levels don&#039;t exist.

The fact is that the data of what states exist at the upper end of the bridge and what potentially could be achieved with Scientology has existed since the early &#039;50&#039;s with the introduction of Route 1.

In fact the original OT Levels which are now apparently  &quot;old&quot; since they have been replaced by &quot;new&quot; OT levels utilized much of this information.

A Tech Degrade of magnitude!

Yet it seems only a few have noticed.

Many ask why the OT Levels haven&#039;t been released since they exist in note form.

Well all one has to do is look at the fact that Superpower and what is called the Cause Resurgence Rundown which has existed in HCOB form since the late &#039;70&#039;s haven&#039;t been released either.

Worse!

They are lying to their public about the requirements for both these RDs since in order to do Super Power a person not only needs full objectives but a DRD as well and have graduated KTL and LOC.

It is understandable why the Church is holding off on releasing Super Power since in a devious way the Super Power monument to wasted space has become such a cash cow for them even though it isn&#039;t required.

Nor are these special R6 implant type chairs allegedly developed by NASA and neither the wide screens either or any of this fancy stuff that like as I wrote looks like something that came out of a whole track implant.

The irony is that much of the material for making an actual OT his been carefully obscured or suppressed  by the Church since the early &#039;80&#039;s when the coup took over. The coup that supposedly had saved us from the GO&#039;s alleged efforts to seize control of the Church.

Historically this is the point when the Church began to factionalize or &quot;splinter&quot; in earnest.

I could write more on this but I&#039;ll end off for now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I understand much of the research for the levels above what was then OT VII was conducted in the late &#8217;60&#8217;s early &#8217;70&#8217;s and according to the HCOBs Scn &amp; Dn State of the Materials and Tech Correction Roundup exist in note form.</p>
<p>The theory behind OT VIII itself was issued in a &#8220;Secret&#8221; HCOB in late &#8217;68.</p>
<p>I really get tired of people saying these levels don&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>The fact is that the data of what states exist at the upper end of the bridge and what potentially could be achieved with Scientology has existed since the early &#8217;50&#8217;s with the introduction of Route 1.</p>
<p>In fact the original OT Levels which are now apparently  &#8220;old&#8221; since they have been replaced by &#8220;new&#8221; OT levels utilized much of this information.</p>
<p>A Tech Degrade of magnitude!</p>
<p>Yet it seems only a few have noticed.</p>
<p>Many ask why the OT Levels haven&#8217;t been released since they exist in note form.</p>
<p>Well all one has to do is look at the fact that Superpower and what is called the Cause Resurgence Rundown which has existed in HCOB form since the late &#8217;70&#8217;s haven&#8217;t been released either.</p>
<p>Worse!</p>
<p>They are lying to their public about the requirements for both these RDs since in order to do Super Power a person not only needs full objectives but a DRD as well and have graduated KTL and LOC.</p>
<p>It is understandable why the Church is holding off on releasing Super Power since in a devious way the Super Power monument to wasted space has become such a cash cow for them even though it isn&#8217;t required.</p>
<p>Nor are these special R6 implant type chairs allegedly developed by NASA and neither the wide screens either or any of this fancy stuff that like as I wrote looks like something that came out of a whole track implant.</p>
<p>The irony is that much of the material for making an actual OT his been carefully obscured or suppressed  by the Church since the early &#8217;80&#8217;s when the coup took over. The coup that supposedly had saved us from the GO&#8217;s alleged efforts to seize control of the Church.</p>
<p>Historically this is the point when the Church began to factionalize or &#8220;splinter&#8221; in earnest.</p>
<p>I could write more on this but I&#8217;ll end off for now.</p>
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		By: Cooper Kessel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jun 2013 19:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-x-promises-promises/#comment-7426&quot;&gt;Jane Doe&lt;/a&gt;.

Jane, 
How is your best friend doing now?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-x-promises-promises/#comment-7426">Jane Doe</a>.</p>
<p>Jane,<br />
How is your best friend doing now?</p>
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		By: Scientology is dead.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scientology is dead.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jun 2013 18:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh so theres nothing to look forward to then. So what is the point. We should all just give up and go find something else to do. Why are you all hanging around here again? Is there really any reason that you are sitting here ever worrying about all this. Oh my! its all so pointless.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh so theres nothing to look forward to then. So what is the point. We should all just give up and go find something else to do. Why are you all hanging around here again? Is there really any reason that you are sitting here ever worrying about all this. Oh my! its all so pointless.</p>
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