What ARE you insanely rambling on about now Fool?

Theta Clear what else can i say that I like you and I would never miss one of your comments.
Yes, you are right, I didn’t loose my family. Probably because I never permitted them to be too heavily indoctrinated (but it’s true that those who exprienced disconnection of loved one have reasons to be really upset against scientology).
But I always had a sceptikal mind especially about group thinking. The clue with me is that I am a kind of anarchist, true non believer, not in agreement if it doesnt seem to “indicate” me.
You see I can find many similarity on Hubbard thinking and mine, I don’t know how to tell you, but I know you understand what I am saying.
But being a kind of lazy non believer, ennemy of any extreme, I couldn’t also agree with all this circus. I’m also terribly snobish. Scientologist were for me mostly too ugly to be mainly acceptable. But Hubbard did fit my idea of a kind of genious. And gosh I enjoyed listening to his lectures! The class 8, when he takes this british accent, quite funny.
But to be more honest, I have lost my enjoyment of Hubbard.
Maybe you’re right my mind was finally framed. I didn’t buy the human incarnation of the church, ideal orgs and all garbage, but I was hit on “thetan mind”. Yes to some degree to believe you are an immortal being is quite convenient.
There are even studies independant of any scientology having the same conclusion.
Hubbard talked 50 years ago about the “cultural lag”, it seems to be it.

To what point am I under the cult spell ? Probably on some point, somewhere. But I always, I hope, studied scientology on an analytical level, not in a kind of hypnosis.
Because I have met many people quite hypnotized by the subject and swearing robotically by it (and also some crazy mad against it, other side of the coin). But the answer was in the tech itself : earlier practices, people have earlier similar hypnotized practice. Like all kind of religions. They are used to obey, a very long experience of obedience to church, state, army. Ideology for which they can give their life, gullible poor fools !
I am quite opposed to monotheisme (did you read Freud theory about Moses being an egyptian?), and totalitarian politics.
I could only be a kind of 1,1 (when inside) deeply opposed to the Church of Scientology.

But recently, my wife asked me few questions of Self Anlysis just to see. I have had a return of past delicious emotions, it reminded me the end phenomena of ARC SW : “knows he will not get any worse”. Isn’t that only worth the trip?

Maybe you can, instead of posting your comment as such, offer it to Mike as a blog post? Just like Terra Cognita or RB? 🙂 Saves Mike some time!

Also: iIMHO it is not always necessary to repeat the request in the comment you are answering to. This may help to keep your posts short and succint.

“Theta Clear, You are still a scientologist on your way of thinking.”

Gee, FG; if I didn’t know you any better, I would take such a statement as an insult, haha. But you are alright with me, 🙂

“Hubbard of course had a lot of overt withold, and was quite PTS. Where would he had experienced it if not with himself.”

Yes, but he was supposed to have the “perfect” tech to handle it on himself. By “reduction absurdum” he either was TOO irresponsible with others, totally incapable of compassion, or his “tek” was unworkable. It is one way or the other.

“He missed help to some degree and finally didn’t survive, …..”

He had ALL the help of the world of Scn available to him, FG, and the best auditors of the planet. Any help he “missed”, was totally self-imposed.

“…..and his church into the hand of supressives let say, didn’t survive as well.”

Well, there has always been a lack of balls with most Scientolgists. I wasn’t one of them, though. I was never a slave.

“Hubbard was anything but an angel. Only ultra stupid church members have this vision.”

Unfortunately, dear FG, 99% of the Scientolgists DO fit that description, though I don’t think that it has anything to do with being smart or not. I think it has more to do with self-esteem. I never thought that LRH was smarter than me, but most Scientolgists I knew did.

“They are a bunch of idiots as well as the raving anti-scientology.”

Most “raving” anti-Scientology guys/gals are more than justified. In your particular case, you didn’t lose your family; but they did. Failing to be aware of that particular perspective, is what Scn sympathizers need to heavily work on.

“I am not a scientologist any longer really but I havent’ met a logical argument to get rid of the tech.”

Oh, but you HAVE heard it, my friend; you are just not ready to listen to those arguments yet. But I am not losing hope on you, 😉 Not as yet.

” I liked to study it. I could audit someone and I consider it a good psychotherapy.”

Not for me, FG; not any longer. But I can understand why you do, and I am OK with that. Just be careful.

“Thank you Thetaclear”

You are most welcome, T-Marie, 🙂

The discourse is of course contained in the comments at the end of the article.

Of course ThetaClear’s explanation of the discourse on the M2 website has a somewhat of the Churchillian “being economic with the truth” ring about it and if anyone cares to read it (it is otherwise quite interesting about NOTs), will see that certain “facts” are being bent. He was not kicked off because they thought he was OSA and he was extremely deferential to the Class XII amongst many other er, alterations of what actually went down. Anyway here is the link, and as I say it is far more interesting an article than just what went down with ThetaClear.

https://milestonetwo.wordpress.com/2014/06/30/where-did-nots-come-from/

“Can you please try to keep your comments shorter? I just dont have time to read these lengthy epistles…”

Sure Mike; I’ll do my best effort to do so. Thanks for posting it! 🙂