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		By: Mick Wenlock		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2022 01:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/personal-stories-about-ron-sort-of/#comment-482562&quot;&gt;xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty&lt;/a&gt;.

I just said &quot;hi&quot; to Nancy and your behalf and she said to return the same to you and that it is nice to hear from you. 

Yep DeoMorto was my handle in those days. :)

You have been doing a great job since you got out, Chuck. just awesome.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/personal-stories-about-ron-sort-of/#comment-482562">xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty</a>.</p>
<p>I just said &#8220;hi&#8221; to Nancy and your behalf and she said to return the same to you and that it is nice to hear from you. </p>
<p>Yep DeoMorto was my handle in those days. 🙂</p>
<p>You have been doing a great job since you got out, Chuck. just awesome.</p>
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		By: xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2022 22:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/personal-stories-about-ron-sort-of/#comment-482456&quot;&gt;Mick Wenlock&lt;/a&gt;.

Great story.   Janet Weiland, gees, she&#039;s still there.   

Also, she&#039;s the lady who has climbed up the mast in that one big group well deck photo of the Apollo with LRH in the white MC suit, she&#039;s up the pole that&#039;s her.

Wow, she&#039;s a diehard, and she&#039;s mentioned even in one of the academic&#039;s recent books, &quot;Among the Scientologists&quot; which is so hard to read and take at all seriously, but she&#039;s doing her duty telling Hubbard BS fibs.   A true diehard she is.

Janet also was the one who chased Tory through LAX, that day Tory Christman was flying to Clearwater to join up with the LMT.

My gosh, Janet could be the &quot;mule&quot; (a Lawrence Wright word) meaning a core person around which to write a huge long &quot;pro&quot; (nutty to the core) view of a diehard Sea Org OSA PR person, for Hubbard, for Scientology.

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Thanks again Mick, you&#039;re posting on ARS was pivotal, when I learned you were you, I think you used to post as Deo Moto or something, when I learned it was you, that just boosted my faith in the ex&#039;s who were posting on ARS way back.  Say hi to Nancy and son.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/personal-stories-about-ron-sort-of/#comment-482456">Mick Wenlock</a>.</p>
<p>Great story.   Janet Weiland, gees, she&#8217;s still there.   </p>
<p>Also, she&#8217;s the lady who has climbed up the mast in that one big group well deck photo of the Apollo with LRH in the white MC suit, she&#8217;s up the pole that&#8217;s her.</p>
<p>Wow, she&#8217;s a diehard, and she&#8217;s mentioned even in one of the academic&#8217;s recent books, &#8220;Among the Scientologists&#8221; which is so hard to read and take at all seriously, but she&#8217;s doing her duty telling Hubbard BS fibs.   A true diehard she is.</p>
<p>Janet also was the one who chased Tory through LAX, that day Tory Christman was flying to Clearwater to join up with the LMT.</p>
<p>My gosh, Janet could be the &#8220;mule&#8221; (a Lawrence Wright word) meaning a core person around which to write a huge long &#8220;pro&#8221; (nutty to the core) view of a diehard Sea Org OSA PR person, for Hubbard, for Scientology.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Thanks again Mick, you&#8217;re posting on ARS was pivotal, when I learned you were you, I think you used to post as Deo Moto or something, when I learned it was you, that just boosted my faith in the ex&#8217;s who were posting on ARS way back.  Say hi to Nancy and son.</p>
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		By: Mick Wenlock		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2022 04:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/personal-stories-about-ron-sort-of/#comment-482041&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

I do not know how many members of Christian Science there but there are enough of them to support an extensive network of Retirement homes - I know a couple of people who work in that environment.

 A fact that most ignore about Christian Science is that the &quot;true believers&quot; are as bad as Scientologists when it comes down to disconnection.

This is form personal experience. One of our good friends here in Denver was the mother of two children, the elder a boy was in good health and the younger daughter called Hayley who had this fatal condition where she just did not grow. Hayley was a wonderful little girl and her brother doted on her.

Their grandparents had NEVER been to see them since Hayley was born. They would have nothing at all to do with them. When Hayley died there were a lot of people at her funeral - including us of course, she was a well loved child. The grandparents never attended and had not even called.

Christian Science is the &quot;nice&quot; thing people think it is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/personal-stories-about-ron-sort-of/#comment-482041">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>I do not know how many members of Christian Science there but there are enough of them to support an extensive network of Retirement homes &#8211; I know a couple of people who work in that environment.</p>
<p> A fact that most ignore about Christian Science is that the &#8220;true believers&#8221; are as bad as Scientologists when it comes down to disconnection.</p>
<p>This is form personal experience. One of our good friends here in Denver was the mother of two children, the elder a boy was in good health and the younger daughter called Hayley who had this fatal condition where she just did not grow. Hayley was a wonderful little girl and her brother doted on her.</p>
<p>Their grandparents had NEVER been to see them since Hayley was born. They would have nothing at all to do with them. When Hayley died there were a lot of people at her funeral &#8211; including us of course, she was a well loved child. The grandparents never attended and had not even called.</p>
<p>Christian Science is the &#8220;nice&#8221; thing people think it is.</p>
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		By: Mick Wenlock		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2022 04:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/personal-stories-about-ron-sort-of/#comment-481968&quot;&gt;Ms. B. Haven&lt;/a&gt;.

Great points indeed.  It was my vocal unappreciation of Hubbard fatuous  Battlefield Earth that ran me into trouble in the SO. Janet Weiland was PPRO EU IIRC - she was fairly new to the job and was rushing around gushing about what the genius Hubbard had produced with this turgid tome of his. We were in some sort of briefing pr meeting She mde the mistake of asking what people thought of the book and made the mistake of of picking me out to answer - I was CO AOSH EU and, IIRC I was the only native English speaker in the group of AOSJ EU staff. I just said that I thought it was childish rubbish and that you could tell the LRH had been left behind by Sci-Fi writing and development - what he wrote back in his pulp fiction was of the same level as the others. But they had carried on writing and Sci Fi had moved on.

Personally I figure HUbbard was still a pulp writer and he figured the more words he used the more he would get paid.

Next thing I know I got a KR from Janet. Which I just laughed at.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/personal-stories-about-ron-sort-of/#comment-481968">Ms. B. Haven</a>.</p>
<p>Great points indeed.  It was my vocal unappreciation of Hubbard fatuous  Battlefield Earth that ran me into trouble in the SO. Janet Weiland was PPRO EU IIRC &#8211; she was fairly new to the job and was rushing around gushing about what the genius Hubbard had produced with this turgid tome of his. We were in some sort of briefing pr meeting She mde the mistake of asking what people thought of the book and made the mistake of of picking me out to answer &#8211; I was CO AOSH EU and, IIRC I was the only native English speaker in the group of AOSJ EU staff. I just said that I thought it was childish rubbish and that you could tell the LRH had been left behind by Sci-Fi writing and development &#8211; what he wrote back in his pulp fiction was of the same level as the others. But they had carried on writing and Sci Fi had moved on.</p>
<p>Personally I figure HUbbard was still a pulp writer and he figured the more words he used the more he would get paid.</p>
<p>Next thing I know I got a KR from Janet. Which I just laughed at.</p>
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		By: Scott Mercer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott Mercer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2022 06:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/personal-stories-about-ron-sort-of/#comment-482109&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Mike this was the incident that got me interested in exposing Scientology as a never-in.  It was the first story in Bent Corydon&#039;s book, which I stumbled upon at a Tower Records.  From there, it was on to the internet and down the rabbit hole.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/personal-stories-about-ron-sort-of/#comment-482109">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Mike this was the incident that got me interested in exposing Scientology as a never-in.  It was the first story in Bent Corydon&#8217;s book, which I stumbled upon at a Tower Records.  From there, it was on to the internet and down the rabbit hole.</p>
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		By: Rebecca		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2022 23:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have been wondering about something for a while, am hoping for some help.  Given the prevalence of sexual abuse/molestation and rape of kids and with some understanding of how this is fostered and justified, I keep going back to etiology.   Is there any evidence that Hubbard sexually abused/raped kids who served him, or other kids he came into contact with?  I keep wondering if that&#039;s part and parcel of why he came up with the crap that he did about kids, and why he used abuse so much in the first place.  Did it extend to sexual abuse as well?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been wondering about something for a while, am hoping for some help.  Given the prevalence of sexual abuse/molestation and rape of kids and with some understanding of how this is fostered and justified, I keep going back to etiology.   Is there any evidence that Hubbard sexually abused/raped kids who served him, or other kids he came into contact with?  I keep wondering if that&#8217;s part and parcel of why he came up with the crap that he did about kids, and why he used abuse so much in the first place.  Did it extend to sexual abuse as well?</p>
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		By: Alcoboy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alcoboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2022 19:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/personal-stories-about-ron-sort-of/#comment-482041&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

Good comparison. Also bear in mind that, while psychiatric abuses were common a century ago modern psychiatry is more toward actual cure and not the horrid monster Scientology makes it out to be.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/personal-stories-about-ron-sort-of/#comment-482041">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>Good comparison. Also bear in mind that, while psychiatric abuses were common a century ago modern psychiatry is more toward actual cure and not the horrid monster Scientology makes it out to be.</p>
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		By: Mark Kamran		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/personal-stories-about-ron-sort-of/#comment-482112</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Kamran]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2022 15:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/personal-stories-about-ron-sort-of/#comment-482109&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

So how  LRH sold this &quot;unique&quot; idea to Moracaan Royalty to use religious  artifact as lie detector ? 

Is it their side  business ,off the books activity  ? 

Did they pulled it alone ?  

It&#039;s opening a new and sinster chapter of cold War era , the Golden period  of Cults in Western world.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/personal-stories-about-ron-sort-of/#comment-482109">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>So how  LRH sold this &#8220;unique&#8221; idea to Moracaan Royalty to use religious  artifact as lie detector ? </p>
<p>Is it their side  business ,off the books activity  ? </p>
<p>Did they pulled it alone ?  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s opening a new and sinster chapter of cold War era , the Golden period  of Cults in Western world.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2022 15:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/personal-stories-about-ron-sort-of/#comment-482017&quot;&gt;Mark Kamran&lt;/a&gt;.

Hubbard had a grand plan to bring sec checking &quot;tech&quot; to the King&#039;s security forces so they could weed out threats.

When there was an attempted coup shortly thereafter, the Apollo was escorted out of Moroccan waters by the Navy, never to return.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/personal-stories-about-ron-sort-of/#comment-482017">Mark Kamran</a>.</p>
<p>Hubbard had a grand plan to bring sec checking &#8220;tech&#8221; to the King&#8217;s security forces so they could weed out threats.</p>
<p>When there was an attempted coup shortly thereafter, the Apollo was escorted out of Moroccan waters by the Navy, never to return.</p>
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		By: otherles		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2022 14:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/personal-stories-about-ron-sort-of/#comment-481946&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

I once had a fictional intelligence officer torture folks by making them listen to Yoko Ono.

https://freelancetraveller.com/features/stories/fihp/fihp10.html

&lt;i&gt;Now that the &lt;/i&gt;Chauchat&lt;i&gt; was in Jumpspace, Daevagh needed to speak to Dennis. He knocked on the Captain&#039;s Cabin door.

&quot;Enter!&quot; Dennis yelled.

The door slid open and Daevagh stepped in.

Dennis was sitting across the lower bunk with his back against the wall. The screen over the desk across the cabin was showing what appeared to be a documentary program.

&quot;What are you watching?&quot; Dav asked.

&quot;A recent episode of a Solomani documentary series,&quot; said Dennis. &quot;It&#039;s called &#039;Man&#039;s Crisis of Identity in the Latter Half of the Twentieth Century.&#039; The subject of this episode is the question of whether Yoko Ono was actually a fifth Beatle, or just a talentless and inscrutable bore.&quot;

This was almost completely beyond Daevagh&#039;s comprehension.

&quot;So which was he?&quot; he asked.

&quot;She,&quot; said Dennis. &quot;I personally favor the talentless bore point of view.&quot;

&quot;I must confess,&quot; Dennis continued, &quot;that I&#039;ve found a roll of duct tape, a high quality audio headset, and one of her early recordings to be quite useful when questioning a prisoner.&quot;

&quot;Um . . . okay,&quot; said Dav.

&quot;Did you need to speak to me about something?&quot;

&quot;It can wait.&quot; Said Daevagh as he slowly backed out of the Captain&#039;s Cabin.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/personal-stories-about-ron-sort-of/#comment-481946">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>I once had a fictional intelligence officer torture folks by making them listen to Yoko Ono.</p>
<p><a href="https://freelancetraveller.com/features/stories/fihp/fihp10.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://freelancetraveller.com/features/stories/fihp/fihp10.html</a></p>
<p><i>Now that the </i>Chauchat<i> was in Jumpspace, Daevagh needed to speak to Dennis. He knocked on the Captain&#8217;s Cabin door.</p>
<p>&#8220;Enter!&#8221; Dennis yelled.</p>
<p>The door slid open and Daevagh stepped in.</p>
<p>Dennis was sitting across the lower bunk with his back against the wall. The screen over the desk across the cabin was showing what appeared to be a documentary program.</p>
<p>&#8220;What are you watching?&#8221; Dav asked.</p>
<p>&#8220;A recent episode of a Solomani documentary series,&#8221; said Dennis. &#8220;It&#8217;s called &#8216;Man&#8217;s Crisis of Identity in the Latter Half of the Twentieth Century.&#8217; The subject of this episode is the question of whether Yoko Ono was actually a fifth Beatle, or just a talentless and inscrutable bore.&#8221;</p>
<p>This was almost completely beyond Daevagh&#8217;s comprehension.</p>
<p>&#8220;So which was he?&#8221; he asked.</p>
<p>&#8220;She,&#8221; said Dennis. &#8220;I personally favor the talentless bore point of view.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I must confess,&#8221; Dennis continued, &#8220;that I&#8217;ve found a roll of duct tape, a high quality audio headset, and one of her early recordings to be quite useful when questioning a prisoner.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Um . . . okay,&#8221; said Dav.</p>
<p>&#8220;Did you need to speak to me about something?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It can wait.&#8221; Said Daevagh as he slowly backed out of the Captain&#8217;s Cabin.</i></p>
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