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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/predatory-alienation-religion-and-the-law/#comment-374146</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2020 06:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/predatory-alienation-religion-and-the-law/#comment-369682&quot;&gt;Alex&lt;/a&gt;.

And of course it would be just fine to stone your disrespectful, uncooperative child, as is dictated in the Bible.<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f928.png" alt="🤨" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />]]></description>
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<p>And of course it would be just fine to stone your disrespectful, uncooperative child, as is dictated in the Bible.🤨</p>
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		By: Scientology&#8217;s Tax Exemption		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scientology&#8217;s Tax Exemption]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2020 15:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Scientology engages in abuses and human rights violations.  Some of these are clearly illegal &#8212; child labor law violations for example. Some seem to be violations of public policy (hiring private investigators to harass people &#8220;legally,&#8221; going through garbage, putting up smear sites, sending out &#8220;Squirrel Busters&#8221; etc) and others are simply inhumane and nasty, but not clearly illegal &#8212; like disconnection. (See my recent blog post: Predatory Alienation, Religion and the Law). [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Scientology engages in abuses and human rights violations.  Some of these are clearly illegal &#8212; child labor law violations for example. Some seem to be violations of public policy (hiring private investigators to harass people &#8220;legally,&#8221; going through garbage, putting up smear sites, sending out &#8220;Squirrel Busters&#8221; etc) and others are simply inhumane and nasty, but not clearly illegal &#8212; like disconnection. (See my recent blog post: Predatory Alienation, Religion and the Law). [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Vivian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vivian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2020 09:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I wanted to leave my abusive boyfriend, he dragged me to ethics, where the unqualified EO (a former skin head who literally had the word &quot;skin&quot; tattooed on his forehead) told me I could not leave my boyfriend until I did a bunch of processing, blah blah. I told the EO that the boyfriend was abusive. I was ordered to stay put with him and not make any moves until I did a full OW writeup. I complied and did the writeup but I still wanted to leave. So I had to go back and keep writing up OWs. I don&#039;t remember how many times I had to go back and forth with this. I just wanted someone to ask me if I was ok, help me feel safe, and support me in my decision to stand up to him. I was very young and the boyfriend was over 10 years older and I was basically under his total control, and ethics insisted I was pulling in the abuse. There&#039;s no legal recourse that I know of for this sort of institutionalized coercion. It still angers me almost 30 years later.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I wanted to leave my abusive boyfriend, he dragged me to ethics, where the unqualified EO (a former skin head who literally had the word &#8220;skin&#8221; tattooed on his forehead) told me I could not leave my boyfriend until I did a bunch of processing, blah blah. I told the EO that the boyfriend was abusive. I was ordered to stay put with him and not make any moves until I did a full OW writeup. I complied and did the writeup but I still wanted to leave. So I had to go back and keep writing up OWs. I don&#8217;t remember how many times I had to go back and forth with this. I just wanted someone to ask me if I was ok, help me feel safe, and support me in my decision to stand up to him. I was very young and the boyfriend was over 10 years older and I was basically under his total control, and ethics insisted I was pulling in the abuse. There&#8217;s no legal recourse that I know of for this sort of institutionalized coercion. It still angers me almost 30 years later.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PeaceMaker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2020 22:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/predatory-alienation-religion-and-the-law/#comment-369585&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Another dubious aspect of Scientology that I think could be addressed is FSM commissions - which I suspect may perpetuate the CofS and its abuses more than we realize.  Along with providing a public benefit, there shouldn&#039;t be that sort of personal profiteering, at least not on the same sort of basis as a boileroom sales operation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/predatory-alienation-religion-and-the-law/#comment-369585">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Another dubious aspect of Scientology that I think could be addressed is FSM commissions &#8211; which I suspect may perpetuate the CofS and its abuses more than we realize.  Along with providing a public benefit, there shouldn&#8217;t be that sort of personal profiteering, at least not on the same sort of basis as a boileroom sales operation.</p>
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		By: mwesten		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mwesten]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2020 18:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/predatory-alienation-religion-and-the-law/#comment-369736&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Of course. Even a cursory glance across Europe finds countries with multiple parties, coalition governments, far greater electoral transparency and an arguably less ideological mainstream media.  

The US is an oligarchy. I know of no other Western democracy where corporations and special interest groups have such significant influence. What&#039;s sad is that Americans keep voting for it, seemingly hopeful things will be different each time around. Good luck with that.

Some talk about scientology as if it&#039;s an outlier - as if conditioning, manipulation and ideological possession are things that happen &quot;over there.&quot; Most odd.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/predatory-alienation-religion-and-the-law/#comment-369736">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Of course. Even a cursory glance across Europe finds countries with multiple parties, coalition governments, far greater electoral transparency and an arguably less ideological mainstream media.  </p>
<p>The US is an oligarchy. I know of no other Western democracy where corporations and special interest groups have such significant influence. What&#8217;s sad is that Americans keep voting for it, seemingly hopeful things will be different each time around. Good luck with that.</p>
<p>Some talk about scientology as if it&#8217;s an outlier &#8211; as if conditioning, manipulation and ideological possession are things that happen &#8220;over there.&#8221; Most odd.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2020 17:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/predatory-alienation-religion-and-the-law/#comment-369723&quot;&gt;mwesten&lt;/a&gt;.

Curious if you believe there is a country where this is not the case (other than dictatorships)?]]></description>
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<p>Curious if you believe there is a country where this is not the case (other than dictatorships)?</p>
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		By: gorillavee		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/predatory-alienation-religion-and-the-law/#comment-369727</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gorillavee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2020 15:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/predatory-alienation-religion-and-the-law/#comment-369606&quot;&gt;Jere Lull&lt;/a&gt;.

Jere Lull - that&#039;s pretty much where I was going, or at least leaning. The problem with jumping headlong into &quot;controlling Scientology&quot; (and other pernicious cults), is that it&#039;s so easy to write vague laws that leave it up some person to interpret. I realize that judges and juries do that all the time, but if such interpretations are left up to law enforcers (from police on up to attorneys general), we&#039;re going to start ripping up the Bill of Rights - simply because everyone is human, and even in the best case personal biases will enter the picture.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/predatory-alienation-religion-and-the-law/#comment-369606">Jere Lull</a>.</p>
<p>Jere Lull &#8211; that&#8217;s pretty much where I was going, or at least leaning. The problem with jumping headlong into &#8220;controlling Scientology&#8221; (and other pernicious cults), is that it&#8217;s so easy to write vague laws that leave it up some person to interpret. I realize that judges and juries do that all the time, but if such interpretations are left up to law enforcers (from police on up to attorneys general), we&#8217;re going to start ripping up the Bill of Rights &#8211; simply because everyone is human, and even in the best case personal biases will enter the picture.</p>
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		By: gorillavee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gorillavee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2020 15:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/predatory-alienation-religion-and-the-law/#comment-369699&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

PeaceMaker - I just don&#039;t see traditional religious groups having much say on what goes on in public education. I think it would be easier to make the argument that public education in itself is part of a cult that would oppose critical thinking.]]></description>
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<p>PeaceMaker &#8211; I just don&#8217;t see traditional religious groups having much say on what goes on in public education. I think it would be easier to make the argument that public education in itself is part of a cult that would oppose critical thinking.</p>
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		By: mwesten		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2020 14:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It would help if yanks refrained from giving away their votes so freely to parties that don&#039;t deserve them. Establishment dems and republicans are only interested in maintaining the status quo and accumulating wealth. Those who actively campaign for change are inevitably forced into line when their careers are at stake. 

Behind the apparent duopoly is the party of big business and the almighty dollar. It&#039;s not a wasted vote to support third parties. You need a politically competitive &quot;marketplace&quot;, now more than ever.

If you keep propping up this sociopathic system, expecting different results, you&#039;re a chump.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would help if yanks refrained from giving away their votes so freely to parties that don&#8217;t deserve them. Establishment dems and republicans are only interested in maintaining the status quo and accumulating wealth. Those who actively campaign for change are inevitably forced into line when their careers are at stake. </p>
<p>Behind the apparent duopoly is the party of big business and the almighty dollar. It&#8217;s not a wasted vote to support third parties. You need a politically competitive &#8220;marketplace&#8221;, now more than ever.</p>
<p>If you keep propping up this sociopathic system, expecting different results, you&#8217;re a chump.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2020 14:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/predatory-alienation-religion-and-the-law/#comment-369670&quot;&gt;Michael&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks so much]]></description>
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<p>Thanks so much</p>
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