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		By: Angry Gay Pope		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Angry Gay Pope]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 17:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The guy that is running the org allows him self to be photographed badly looking like a sweaty mess!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guy that is running the org allows him self to be photographed badly looking like a sweaty mess!</p>
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		By: Peggy L		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pretoria-ideal-org-barely-alive-but-the-buildings-fine/#comment-348744</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peggy L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 12:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pretoria-ideal-org-barely-alive-but-the-buildings-fine/#comment-348705&quot;&gt;jere Lull (39 years recovering)&lt;/a&gt;.

Atta boy jere!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pretoria-ideal-org-barely-alive-but-the-buildings-fine/#comment-348705">jere Lull (39 years recovering)</a>.</p>
<p>Atta boy jere!</p>
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		By: jere Lull (39 years recovering)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jere Lull (39 years recovering)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 07:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pretoria-ideal-org-barely-alive-but-the-buildings-fine/#comment-348440&quot;&gt;Peggy L&lt;/a&gt;.

Peggy:   I&#039;m not FREE, but I am reasonable.  I attested to &quot;clear&quot; before they kicked me to the curb, not that thatever did me any good; being beached was probably the best thing to come of it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pretoria-ideal-org-barely-alive-but-the-buildings-fine/#comment-348440">Peggy L</a>.</p>
<p>Peggy:   I&#8217;m not FREE, but I am reasonable.  I attested to &#8220;clear&#8221; before they kicked me to the curb, not that thatever did me any good; being beached was probably the best thing to come of it.</p>
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		By: jere Lull (39 years recovering)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jere Lull (39 years recovering)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 07:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pretoria-ideal-org-barely-alive-but-the-buildings-fine/#comment-348449&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

Peacemaker, my guess is that those six are ALL of the staff.  As another noticed, there may be more inadvertent truth in that item than they wanted.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pretoria-ideal-org-barely-alive-but-the-buildings-fine/#comment-348449">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>Peacemaker, my guess is that those six are ALL of the staff.  As another noticed, there may be more inadvertent truth in that item than they wanted.</p>
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		By: jere Lull (39 years recovering)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jere Lull (39 years recovering)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 07:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pretoria-ideal-org-barely-alive-but-the-buildings-fine/#comment-348467&quot;&gt;mwesten&lt;/a&gt;.

mwestern:
&quot;As businesses adapt to handle the lockdown, the CoS plods along as usual. It could be auditing via skype or zoom;

Didn&#039;t I see sometime back, a meter that worked over the InterWebZ?  That would at least allow them to deliver metered auditing, though not the in-your-face sec checks Dwarfenführer® favors.  That would first require them &lt;B&gt;wanting&lt;/b&gt; to deliver anything to anyone -- other than loads of cash to DM&#039;s vaults.  Naaah! it&#039;s simpler just to shake the rubes down for their cash.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pretoria-ideal-org-barely-alive-but-the-buildings-fine/#comment-348467">mwesten</a>.</p>
<p>mwestern:<br />
&#8220;As businesses adapt to handle the lockdown, the CoS plods along as usual. It could be auditing via skype or zoom;</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t I see sometime back, a meter that worked over the InterWebZ?  That would at least allow them to deliver metered auditing, though not the in-your-face sec checks Dwarfenführer® favors.  That would first require them <b>wanting</b> to deliver anything to anyone &#8212; other than loads of cash to DM&#8217;s vaults.  Naaah! it&#8217;s simpler just to shake the rubes down for their cash.</p>
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		By: jere Lull (39 years recovering)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jere Lull (39 years recovering)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 07:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pretoria-ideal-org-barely-alive-but-the-buildings-fine/#comment-348505&quot;&gt;Joe Pendleton&lt;/a&gt;.

Good catch, Joe. No auditors being made, no auditing delivered.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pretoria-ideal-org-barely-alive-but-the-buildings-fine/#comment-348505">Joe Pendleton</a>.</p>
<p>Good catch, Joe. No auditors being made, no auditing delivered.</p>
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		By: jere Lull (39 years recovering)		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pretoria-ideal-org-barely-alive-but-the-buildings-fine/#comment-348700</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jere Lull (39 years recovering)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 07:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pretoria-ideal-org-barely-alive-but-the-buildings-fine/#comment-348524&quot;&gt;otherles&lt;/a&gt;.

The Objectives night have some value if they allowwed that &quot;step back &#038; looking at Yourself.  Their proper name should be Hypnotics.  And Hubbard used them as punishment, not that they weren&#039;t punishing for &quot;PC&quot; and auditor alike; I&#039;m not certain which position I hated worse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pretoria-ideal-org-barely-alive-but-the-buildings-fine/#comment-348524">otherles</a>.</p>
<p>The Objectives night have some value if they allowwed that &#8220;step back &amp; looking at Yourself.  Their proper name should be Hypnotics.  And Hubbard used them as punishment, not that they weren&#8217;t punishing for &#8220;PC&#8221; and auditor alike; I&#8217;m not certain which position I hated worse.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 05:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What is &quot;fogging&quot;?  Anyone know?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is &#8220;fogging&#8221;?  Anyone know?</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 05:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pretoria-ideal-org-barely-alive-but-the-buildings-fine/#comment-348481&quot;&gt;Linear13&lt;/a&gt;.

AND, speaking of getting people to take online courses,  I found out tonite, when one Googles &quot;Something Can Be Done About It&quot; at the very top is an invitation by an attractive woman calling herself &quot;Eliza&quot; to do a FREE SURVEY and that survey is copywrighted by Total Whacko Ex-Sea Org member Charles Prenner. He is using &quot;Something Can Be Done About It&quot; as a name in order to CATCH AND  DIVERT those Googling Mike&#039;s Blog into taking a Scientology Survey and possibly an online course (I&#039;m assuming but don&#039;t know because naturally I did NOT click onto this &quot;free&quot; survey!   Sneaky sneaky sneaky Chuckie!  Sneaky, sneaky sneaky, Cult. But then, desperate is as desperate does.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pretoria-ideal-org-barely-alive-but-the-buildings-fine/#comment-348481">Linear13</a>.</p>
<p>AND, speaking of getting people to take online courses,  I found out tonite, when one Googles &#8220;Something Can Be Done About It&#8221; at the very top is an invitation by an attractive woman calling herself &#8220;Eliza&#8221; to do a FREE SURVEY and that survey is copywrighted by Total Whacko Ex-Sea Org member Charles Prenner. He is using &#8220;Something Can Be Done About It&#8221; as a name in order to CATCH AND  DIVERT those Googling Mike&#8217;s Blog into taking a Scientology Survey and possibly an online course (I&#8217;m assuming but don&#8217;t know because naturally I did NOT click onto this &#8220;free&#8221; survey!   Sneaky sneaky sneaky Chuckie!  Sneaky, sneaky sneaky, Cult. But then, desperate is as desperate does.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PeaceMaker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 00:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pretoria-ideal-org-barely-alive-but-the-buildings-fine/#comment-348468&quot;&gt;Princess Leila&lt;/a&gt;.

Leila, thanks for doing that detailed count.  40 is more like what I would expect as the number of remaining really active members at an average or struggling org.  

Pretoria went &quot;ideal&quot; and got put in a fancy new facility, but despite the claims that doesn&#039;t really seem to mean much for orgs&#039; operations, and they settle back to their previous level of operations once the initial fanfare subsides.  Except for a few of the orgs that have long been the largest anyway, the rest seem to be reduced to operating more like missions used to, regardless of whether they&#039;ve been put in a big renovated building or are still somewhere like a shabby storefront.

And, yeah, the fogging is a mostly pointless excercise the way they&#039;re doing it - but Scientology is basically all about illusions like placebo effect, anyway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/pretoria-ideal-org-barely-alive-but-the-buildings-fine/#comment-348468">Princess Leila</a>.</p>
<p>Leila, thanks for doing that detailed count.  40 is more like what I would expect as the number of remaining really active members at an average or struggling org.  </p>
<p>Pretoria went &#8220;ideal&#8221; and got put in a fancy new facility, but despite the claims that doesn&#8217;t really seem to mean much for orgs&#8217; operations, and they settle back to their previous level of operations once the initial fanfare subsides.  Except for a few of the orgs that have long been the largest anyway, the rest seem to be reduced to operating more like missions used to, regardless of whether they&#8217;ve been put in a big renovated building or are still somewhere like a shabby storefront.</p>
<p>And, yeah, the fogging is a mostly pointless excercise the way they&#8217;re doing it &#8211; but Scientology is basically all about illusions like placebo effect, anyway.</p>
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