Then it became you had to be a member of Wise, Cece— even for a civil dispute. Wise was claiming you had to get permission too. Wise even broadcast that anyone who was not a member was “out-ethics.” Even if you weren’t a member and you needed a contract dispute resolved or a long unpaid invoice despite gradients applied you were told to use wise or else! Then promised they go by the law, but wise didn’t always in such matters.

“It’s a quackery sales empire, and staff and public are the debris trail”

This goes on the quote wall. It’s bang on.

It belongs alongside someone’s brilliant summation “it’s a criminal organization masquerading as a religion and operating as a business”

“Somebody some day will say ‘this is illegal.’ By then be sure the orgs [Scientology organizations] say what is legal or not.”

– L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 4 January 1966, “LRH Relationship to Orgs”

“God help you if anything goes wrong”. A la Lisa McPherson.

I keep thinking of the movie Valkyrie and Tom Cruise’s role in it, and in the cult.

Chuck, WOW. Had to read this 3x to understand but once the light bulb went on I am reminded of (I think it was Polonius as he was watching Hamlet talk to himself) line, “Though this be madness, there’s method in it!”

“It’s a quackery sales empire, and staff and public are the debris trail”. L. Ron Hubbard created and continued to develop the system to order his world and his thoughts and exorcise his demons and profit from it to boot! He was a tortured though brilliant and charismatic figure who could sell ice to Eskimos, as the old saying goes. I think L. Ron Hubbard believed his own s**t

David Miscavige, notsomuch. I don’t think he really believes in much or any of this, except for the power and control. And being a scn practitioner since childhood, I think he was smart and then ruthless. His loyalty is to no one, not even L. Ron Hubbard.

Though I have no doubt he is increasingly tortured, he sadistically doles out so much hurt and hate that he has become the evil he (supposedly) seeks to exorcise from people and the cult. What a small, small man occupying an increasingly small, small space

The wreckage of so many lives involved in and touched by scientology is what is truly tragic. It is intense reading about this even I was never in it.

Watching Tony Ortega’s reporting on the Masterson trial, many truths about actual (real) practice of scientology including disconnection are being presented. However, a person does wonder how much can really come through in a trial to drive home that delays in reporting in this case were caused by a higher loyalty to the beliefs in scientology. That, plus you never know what a jury is actually going to do. Only they get to go in back, and only what’s presented to them and their discussions get considered.

It would not surprise me (though it would be upsetting) if they get a hung jury this first go ’round. I do believe that God deals with evil people no matter what they get away with in life. And I do understand why so many former scientologists do not subscribe to any religious beliefs or teachings and never will again, for fear of trading one bad man-made system for another.

Wishing you and yours peace.

👌 Excellent

Obsession is the key essence of any Cult especially the leaders being projected as 100% correct and honest to give sustainence to this obsession in future.

If we look at mainstream religion ( Judaism, Hinduism,
Buddhism, Christianity, Islam and Sikhism).the leaders were living amongst the followers and they never had special treatment such as privacy, feast, personal protection etc .

That’s why Cults have an average life of 50 years, unless they reform themselves and move to mid west and bless the world with poultry and dairy farming. And, get benefitted from the huge tech available in Harry Porter series.

Great point. As a Sea Org member, I learned more of the fine points from smarter public Scientologists who asked their clarifying and exact questions, and who pointed out things like this exact point.

Another great point I learned from smart Mission staff once was the “quit fast” reason which is in KSW #1. “if they are going to quit let them quit fast” is something this one Mission staff said his mission used alot. They’d quickly gave full refunds to newbie Scientologists, and let them go fast.

Public were always smarter than staff, I have to admit, in reflection.

I used to sit 15 feet from Paul Lacquere. His wife then, Andrea and I were twins on our Method 1 co-audit.

I knew all the Int Justice Chiefs personally, from Hamish Hamilton, the first IJC, to Jorgen Mueller (sp?) forgot his last name, then Paul L, then Sue Porter and I was out of the area and next I knew, a few years on, it was Mike Ellis. I think Mike was first a Cont Justice Chief before becoming IJC.

I worked in Senior HCO Int from 1984 to 1986, it was crazy. Hubbard’s rules for manning up Committees of Evidence were unachievable.

The one thing I did learn from an Apollo vet, Lynn Visk, was that the “Board of Review” criteria when you read them carefully, allow any Scientologist to almost guaranteed undo any injustice on the loophole of almost ALL Scientology justice actions universally omit to take into full consideration the value of all the good things that any Scientologist and any staff member have done on the positive side of the scale, which is to be taken into consideration even when the person is “proven guilty” of the charges. All one has to do, is scour the “Board of Review” criteria, and spot what was omitted in one’s Comm Ev.

But, best to always just quit Scientology, per the KSW #1 loophole, and just don’t play along with the scam quackery cult at all. It’s quackery legitimized with all the deflecting massive amount of bureaucracy rules and regulations.

Oh Scientology is very much on trial here in the court of public opinion worldwide (imo). There is no way that it isn’t. The more they try to hide it – the more it glows.
When the plaintiffs are on the stand, surely the court wants to hear the truth, no matter how any objections by defense. In fact the more objections about Scientology not being on trail here, the more it will be.
I’m trying to be neutral about Masterson and am interested to hear what the jury decides. Oh, he must be sick to his stomach not only with his potential guilt being real and exposed but the weight of a multi billion dollar cult glaring at him and listening intently to every word he utters. He’s one cooked goose no matter what the verdict is, especially if he feels Scientology is his salvation.
This case could just be the straw that brakes the camel’s back.