I just checked and this topic is over five days old. The acid fried my sense of time. I’ll never make it to Whole Track Recall. . . . . . . . .(joke)

P.S. I think that you and Geoff are saying the same thing except that Geoff didn’t say that the folders of the “ex staff members” Elron reviewed were those of sea org which threw me off.

Now that I’ve been thinking about LSD for three days it’s time to think about something else – Lol

Real – regarding the 1970ish Flag Order – thanks, I got it. Any folders of ex staff members Elron reviewed were most probably those of sea org personnel and definitely those of RPFers.

It was close to 1970 and issued as a Flag ORder. My first sentence sans the “mad” part accurately summarizes Hubtard’s rational for banning LSD cases from the S.O.

He was ramping up his “Navy” in the late 60’s. He wound it down in the 70’s.

Geoff says Elron reviewed folders of ex (blown) staff members. Real says he looked at folders of people he had tossed into the RPF. He may have done both. Who knows? It’s essentially scn trivia except for people currently under pressure to join the sea org.

I would like to see more specific information, the exact “time, form, place and event” when the original order, however it was issued, prohibiting LSD users from joining the sea org. In the late 1960’s and into the 1970’s there were plenty of ex hippies and counter culture types in the ranks and worldwide participation was probably in the tens of thousands. I think it was in the 1970’s when Elron was ramping up his faux navy sea org to exercise more dictatorial control over the organization and “qualifications” became part of the picture.

A few years ago I was watching a video where somebody was discussing various cults. When he got around to scientology he noted that “Hubbard even had his own goddam navy.” Lol

No, he tossed people he was mad it into the RPF and looked at the folders and figured most of the foul ups were past takers of LSD. He then made the rule. By the early 80’s the inflow into scamology was so low and thus SO recruitment was in non-existence that someone either at SR. HCO Int or Exec Strata started a pilot S.O. LSD recruitment program. It was cancelled within about 12 months by CMO. By 1980 recruiting scamology members that were adults became almost impossible.

The simplest explanation is what Geoff Levin posted above. Hubbard reviewed folders of ex staff members and decided that LSD users were more likely to become blown staff members so he didn’t want to waste time on them. There were plenty of other potential candidates back then.

PeaceMaker – Yes. That’s another good reason but still speculative as to whether it was part of Elron’s thinking at the time he declared LSD was a prohibition to joining the sea org as are my and other speculations above. All we know for sure is that he laid down the law and to this day it’s followed.

Richard, I suspect LSD was used as a scapegoat when Hubbard’s processes caused psychotic breaks and other acute mental health crises in individuals. In Scientology’s heyday drug use history was probably ubiquitous among young recruits, and so it would have been easy to retrospectively “find” drug use as a cause, both so that the “tech” could be held blameless internally, and also so that cases of psychotic breakdowns could be swept under the rug with family or even authorities.