Hi Aqua, In short there is nothing in the constitution that makes having an abortion a “right” and therefore the SC cannot make a ruling like Roe v. Wade . There is the 10th Amendment that gives the states power over anything NOT listed in the constitution as a power of the Federal gov’t (the PotUS, Congress & SCotUS). Therefore, the power to grant such a “rights” status lies within each state. So, majority rules (democracy) is the law for abortion within each state. There will be a handful of states that make it illegal and for those they will just use the morning after pill sourced from the next door state. Most states will just have a limit such as abortion within first trimester lacking medical reasons to abort. Much ado about nothing.

Aha, ok, I totally see your point now, i.e., Biden’s own private opinion as distinct from what is constitutional law. Well, if RvW was unconstitutional back in 1973 then its overturn was deserved. And if various states decide to outlaw it and criminalize it, well, then that would be within their states rights to do that, I suppose.

It appears that you’re knowledgeable in this area, Real, and I am not. Just for my own edification would you say that in order for RvW to have been constitutional that an amendment to the constitution would have had to have been put in first? Again, just curious about this because my instinct – and its just an instinct, nothing more – however consistent with the Constitution striking down RvW is, doing so is a huge mistake for the Republicans, a mistake that is going to backfire on them politically in a bad way. And not that I care about Republicans suffering politically from this decision either – I’m a Democrat now. So my questions are all academic.

Aqua, I don’t think it had to do with an opinion Biden held on abortion, pro or against. I think it was just him wanting to handle it in a way that comports with the constitution. Which is, it is a matter for the citizens of the States not the Federal gov’t which doesn’t mess with laws at that level.

Most Americans’ don’t even know that the definition of STATE in the “United States of America is the same as when you use it for saying, the state of France.

Real, thank you. I’ve read that Biden REALLY doesn’t like abortion. Then again, who does?

But if the Right really wanted to end killing of the unborn, they’d be pushing birth control and sex education, big time, wouldn’t they? Isn’t NOT getting pregnant a better solution to unwanted pregnancies than abortion? Wouldn’t it make more sense to EDUCATE people and possibly even GIVE them free birth control pills or condoms or whatever if they can’t afford them?

Banning abortion is no solution. Women who become pregnant who don’t want to be are not going to abide by the laws of their states. For the most part they’re going to travel somewhere else and have it done or if they they don’t have the money to do that they’ll cause themselves to miscarry, or they’ll order pills and powders online. And of course the back alley abortionist will be back in business. The helpless unborn will still be killed, unfortunately.

The Right knows all of this very well. The unborn will not be protected by any state ban. But abortion is being used to whip up the emotions of people so that they will vote a certain way. Its sad. Tragic, actually. Cruel in the extreme, and beyond stupid. God bless America.

Aqua, in 1982 Joe Biden proposed a constitutional amendment making abortion a decision for the states and not the Federal gov’t. The current SC just upheld the 10th Amendment by tossing it to the States. No need for an amendment

I meant not sympathetic to the Sea Org. It makes it harder for them. I’m on the side of the women. Maybe the Sea Org’s loss of staff will accelerate a little.

It might look like it but in my comment above I’m not responding to my own comment 🙂

But I’ll add that this would all be very good news for Sea Org women who want to keep their babies. Very good news for them. In fact abortion is such a political hot potato now that its safe to assume that any Sea Org female who wants out of the hell-hole need only get pregnant! In this political climate there’s NO WAY the cult would dare to pressure any pregnant SO female to abort! Pregnancy in the foreseeable future is the ticket OUT for these gals! Assuming of course that they WANT “out”. And if any pregnant Sea Org does NOT want out, well, the cult will find a way to get her baby aborted – just ship the pregnant “coin” out of the country to have it done somewhere legal. But my goodness, how very DevT this will all be for the cult, our favorite cult, which is so busy, which requires every pair of hands to help fundraise so that Miscavige gets richer! While producing…nothing.

True but I’ll point out that the Supreme’s position on abortion is in sync with Hubbard’s (official, written) policy. Ironic that the hypocritical, “do as we say not as we do” Sea Org will now have to put its money where its mouth resides regarding abortion! And more bad news for them; this Supreme Court isn’t done with abortion yet. Next its going to open the door in some fashion for states to make it illegal for women needing/wanting abortions in abortion-banned states to travel to abortion-friendly states in order to obtain this procedure. Dwarfenfeuhrer must be gnashing his capped teeth. God forbid he and his slaves have to adhere to the laws of the land this “church supports in name only!

They’re not the Silent Majority, they’re the Noisy Minority. If this keeps up when I retire it will be out of the United States. I have no desire to be ruled over by a theocracy representing a small minority of Americans who dropped out of middle school and if I’m going to live in a Banana Republic there are many low cost options open to me.