L Yash. The gov has no power to punish people who aren’t breaking the law. There is no law stating that someone can’t live with 13 women (and have children) and say they are married or get married in a religious ceremony.

“And clearly, Hubbard was not intent on killing people either. They say what they say.”

Thanks for the duplication, Mike. That was exactly my point.

PLease terminate this endless back and forth. It is a waste of time.

Honestly, these quotes are REALLY hard to defend… I don’t know why you try. ANd clearly, Hubbard was not intent on killing people either. They say what they say.

Espi, I tried that line of reason with that person before. No go. Fanatical cult members are reason proof.

Not for your benefit, Espiando, as you obviously have no intention of letting the facts interfere with your apparent pity party, but for the record here is what he said exactly:

“There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on the tone scale…The first is to raise them on the tone scale by un-enturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow….It is not necessary to produce a world of Clears in order to have a reasonable and worthwhile social order; it is only necessary to delete those individuals who range from 2.0 down, either by processing them enough to get their tone level above the 2.0 line — a task which, indeed, is not very great, since the amount of processing in many cases might be under fifty hours, although it might also in others be in excess of two hundred — or simply quarantining them from the society.” (Science of Survival)

It is very clear from the above that by “delete” (one definition of which is “remove”) he specifically meant “quarantining.” And the whole point was that processing (auditing) was the obvious solution.

To compare that to Hitler is taking your rhetoric to whole new extremes of irrationality. You obviously have some sort of an agenda, since there have been – and still are in PT – people who have truly hateful intentions towards homosexuals. My “agenda” is to inject some truth into the falsehoods about the tech that people like you are hell-bent on spreading. What’s your actual agenda, I wonder.

Jennyfurr – so glad you found my post interesting and informative. Kudos to you for taking the time to go down that particular “rabbit hole”.

I am of the opinion that the CoS will come to a slow demise. Their revenue stream is drying up with the aging of their member base and lack of new recruits. When we share stories of abuses in any form of organized religion and the victories when they have been brought to justice, we are helping to ensure that not one more person will need to suffer at the hands of this particular kind of evil.

So what you are saying is there is a “core” Scientology, and apart from that, there is a bunch of other stuff that L Ron Hubbard wrote that should be disregarded? which part is the “core”? Serious question. How is one to determine which is core, and which things LRH said that should be thrown out? Who decides this?

I hate to go Godwin’s, but, Marildi, do you tell Jews to “get over” the Holocaust? It was seventy years ago, you know. And make no mistake, that’s what Hubbard intended for my tribe. It’s what he wrote. “Eliminate, quietly and without sorrow”. He never abrogated those words. The cult has never abrogated those words. And, yes, those words are at the center of Scientology, or is the Tone Scale just one of those things he wrote over a half century ago and is irrelevant?

“Core” scientology is not to be confused with that part of Hubbard’s body of work we are at liberty to regard as “some words written over half a century ago.”

Oh my goodness Buckeye! You started me down a rabbit hole! I read your link then found a series of articles on that guy – he’s horrid and it sounds SO like Scientology… forced/coerced abortions & vasectomies, sexual abuse covered up, the labor issues, disconnection and financial fleecing of members – I was nauseous when I was done. I’m Christian and it breaks my heart that someone would SO twist the Bible to abuse people in that way and just goes to show how powerful disconnection, limiting contact w/the outside world & info and the typical cult-type practices can truly be! So sad and I’m very happy to read about the conviction and the stories finally getting out there. Thank you for sharing!