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		By: Penny		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2021 19:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rons-journal-30/#comment-121704&quot;&gt;Alanzo&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m no expert on Scientology nor on Me. Hubbard. But, I Am an &quot;expert&quot; on my best friend and father Lyle Sudrow. We were very close and, until his dying day, he considered &quot;Ron&quot; his friend and had nothing but the highest affinity, admiration, and respect for him, whether deserved or not. So, I don&#039;t know where you take your information from, but it is itself not true.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rons-journal-30/#comment-121704">Alanzo</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no expert on Scientology nor on Me. Hubbard. But, I Am an &#8220;expert&#8221; on my best friend and father Lyle Sudrow. We were very close and, until his dying day, he considered &#8220;Ron&#8221; his friend and had nothing but the highest affinity, admiration, and respect for him, whether deserved or not. So, I don&#8217;t know where you take your information from, but it is itself not true.</p>
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		By: Eamonn Gosney		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2016 01:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rons-journal-30/#comment-122181&quot;&gt;Eamonn Gosney&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for your interpretation. 
To receive another, email me: onnney@gmail.com]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rons-journal-30/#comment-122181">Eamonn Gosney</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for your interpretation.<br />
To receive another, email me: <a href="mailto:onnney@gmail.com">onnney@gmail.com</a></p>
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		By: RogerHornaday		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2016 15:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rons-journal-30/#comment-122181&quot;&gt;Eamonn Gosney&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Eamonn, I read the link to your article about  youths on psychiatric drugs shooting people right and left.  It&#039;s a good argument for gun control that is for sure. I don&#039;t happen to like the idea of children being medicated to counter the effects of the sugary breakfast cereals and steroid-laden meat they eat every day. Violent video games and TV probably don&#039;t help nor the excitement-seeking, materialistic cultural values that influence us to think life is about getting everything we desire.  Parents feed those drugs to their kids.  Let&#039;s beat them up too. It&#039;s a little more complicated I think than getting your rocks off  blaming a single villain.  You want to talk multiple viewpoints? How about that OT who was stabbed to death by her young son who later regretted his actions once he was allowed back on his psych meds. She denied him those drugs because she held the same banner you&#039;re holding now.  Multiple viewpoints, Eamonn.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rons-journal-30/#comment-122181">Eamonn Gosney</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Eamonn, I read the link to your article about  youths on psychiatric drugs shooting people right and left.  It&#8217;s a good argument for gun control that is for sure. I don&#8217;t happen to like the idea of children being medicated to counter the effects of the sugary breakfast cereals and steroid-laden meat they eat every day. Violent video games and TV probably don&#8217;t help nor the excitement-seeking, materialistic cultural values that influence us to think life is about getting everything we desire.  Parents feed those drugs to their kids.  Let&#8217;s beat them up too. It&#8217;s a little more complicated I think than getting your rocks off  blaming a single villain.  You want to talk multiple viewpoints? How about that OT who was stabbed to death by her young son who later regretted his actions once he was allowed back on his psych meds. She denied him those drugs because she held the same banner you&#8217;re holding now.  Multiple viewpoints, Eamonn.</p>
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		By: Eamonn Gosney		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2016 10:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rons-journal-30/#comment-122004&quot;&gt;RogerHornaday&lt;/a&gt;.

Roger

If people were able to see things in a multiple viewpoint way (not just from one viewpoint) this would help.

An article I wrote a while back: 

http://eamonngosney.blogspot.com.au/2013/12/killer-schoolchildren-on-drugs.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rons-journal-30/#comment-122004">RogerHornaday</a>.</p>
<p>Roger</p>
<p>If people were able to see things in a multiple viewpoint way (not just from one viewpoint) this would help.</p>
<p>An article I wrote a while back: </p>
<p><a href="http://eamonngosney.blogspot.com.au/2013/12/killer-schoolchildren-on-drugs.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://eamonngosney.blogspot.com.au/2013/12/killer-schoolchildren-on-drugs.html</a></p>
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		By: RogerHornaday		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2016 13:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rons-journal-30/#comment-121997&quot;&gt;Eamonn Gosney&lt;/a&gt;.

Eamonn, you sound like a man who is willing to consider honesty as best policy so long as a few loopholes can be written in.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rons-journal-30/#comment-121997">Eamonn Gosney</a>.</p>
<p>Eamonn, you sound like a man who is willing to consider honesty as best policy so long as a few loopholes can be written in.</p>
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		By: Eamonn Gosney		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eamonn Gosney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2016 03:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rons-journal-30/#comment-121890&quot;&gt;Alanzo&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Alanzo

&quot;In this ideal scene of yours, how would the reporting of factual events be handled which allow people to make more informed decisions about their involvement in Scientology? That’s what’s always brought about the fair game before. So how would your new Scientology handle this?&quot;

Factual events being reported sounds fine -- as long as other parties have the right to report what they see as THEIR INTERPRETATION of what is factual, if it differs from the original reportage.

The problem that one can run into though, is that someone can have emotionally painful stuff in their past (like un-dealt-with childhood psychological abuse) which can exacerbate matters and prevent an individual from being properly able to comprehend a situation they are embroiled in. This is why consulting the Hubbard Chart of Human Evaluation is beneficial (1).


ref:

(1) Hubbard Chart of Human Evaluation
[Handling of Truth]
http://www.volunteerministers.org/sites/default/files/booklets/tone-scale-en.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rons-journal-30/#comment-121890">Alanzo</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Alanzo</p>
<p>&#8220;In this ideal scene of yours, how would the reporting of factual events be handled which allow people to make more informed decisions about their involvement in Scientology? That’s what’s always brought about the fair game before. So how would your new Scientology handle this?&#8221;</p>
<p>Factual events being reported sounds fine &#8212; as long as other parties have the right to report what they see as THEIR INTERPRETATION of what is factual, if it differs from the original reportage.</p>
<p>The problem that one can run into though, is that someone can have emotionally painful stuff in their past (like un-dealt-with childhood psychological abuse) which can exacerbate matters and prevent an individual from being properly able to comprehend a situation they are embroiled in. This is why consulting the Hubbard Chart of Human Evaluation is beneficial (1).</p>
<p>ref:</p>
<p>(1) Hubbard Chart of Human Evaluation<br />
[Handling of Truth]<br />
<a href="http://www.volunteerministers.org/sites/default/files/booklets/tone-scale-en.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.volunteerministers.org/sites/default/files/booklets/tone-scale-en.pdf</a></p>
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		By: Eamonn Gosney		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rons-journal-30/#comment-121949</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eamonn Gosney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2016 08:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rons-journal-30/#comment-121795&quot;&gt;Eamonn Gosney&lt;/a&gt;.

With Roger writing “Let us see an ideal human being before we talk about an ideal humanity,” I began envisioning what it would be like with folk having an ideal first dynamic, ideal second dynamic, ideal third dynamics, there existing an ideal fourth dynamic, an ideal fifth dynamic, ideal sixth dynamic, ideal seventh dynamic and an ideal eighth dynamic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rons-journal-30/#comment-121795">Eamonn Gosney</a>.</p>
<p>With Roger writing “Let us see an ideal human being before we talk about an ideal humanity,” I began envisioning what it would be like with folk having an ideal first dynamic, ideal second dynamic, ideal third dynamics, there existing an ideal fourth dynamic, an ideal fifth dynamic, ideal sixth dynamic, ideal seventh dynamic and an ideal eighth dynamic.</p>
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		By: Eamonn Gosney		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2016 04:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rons-journal-30/#comment-121895&quot;&gt;RogerHornaday&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Let us see an ideal human being before we talk about an ideal humanity.&quot;

What would be required for you to be an ideal human being, Roger?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rons-journal-30/#comment-121895">RogerHornaday</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Let us see an ideal human being before we talk about an ideal humanity.&#8221;</p>
<p>What would be required for you to be an ideal human being, Roger?</p>
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		By: Ron Dolittle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2016 23:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rons-journal-30/#comment-121801&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

I was going to comment on what you were sayin about the next step and then another but I got to laughing and forgot what I was gonna say. Oh well maybe it was only a line charge after all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rons-journal-30/#comment-121801">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>I was going to comment on what you were sayin about the next step and then another but I got to laughing and forgot what I was gonna say. Oh well maybe it was only a line charge after all.</p>
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		By: RogerHornaday		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2016 14:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rons-journal-30/#comment-121878&quot;&gt;Eamonn Gosney&lt;/a&gt;.

Eamonn, I&#039;m wondering if you&#039;re actually suggesting the over-hauling of the world, ie, transforming the personalities of humans on large scale, is a viable objective outside a bar over pitchers of beer. It&#039;s one thing to wax philosophical about creating a Utopia but quite another to sit down with pencil and slide rule to work out exactly what such a task would entail. You want to wipe out vanity, anger, denial, etc. from the human psyche?  What kind of scalpel would that take? I hope you&#039;re not suggesting scientology is the means.  I have yet to see one individual whose character has been transformed into an ideal character from that particular means. Let us see an ideal human being before we talk about an ideal humanity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rons-journal-30/#comment-121878">Eamonn Gosney</a>.</p>
<p>Eamonn, I&#8217;m wondering if you&#8217;re actually suggesting the over-hauling of the world, ie, transforming the personalities of humans on large scale, is a viable objective outside a bar over pitchers of beer. It&#8217;s one thing to wax philosophical about creating a Utopia but quite another to sit down with pencil and slide rule to work out exactly what such a task would entail. You want to wipe out vanity, anger, denial, etc. from the human psyche?  What kind of scalpel would that take? I hope you&#8217;re not suggesting scientology is the means.  I have yet to see one individual whose character has been transformed into an ideal character from that particular means. Let us see an ideal human being before we talk about an ideal humanity.</p>
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