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		By: Ann B Watson		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rundown-of-problems/#comment-118256</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2016 15:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rundown-of-problems/#comment-117981&quot;&gt;indie8million&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi indie8million, You are so kind and caring. I never thought I would get on a blog and bare my soul to any who wanted to read my posts. Mike has a way of gently pushing one off the fence and right into the mix and here I am. I so agree with you about still ins and trying to help them out. I so want all sheeple to leave the ties that bind so tightly, some may never get out! How I wish they would peek once out into the Sunshine and let their hearts guide them out, instead of sacrificing their bodies, minds and spirits on dm&#039;s twisted altar.Love, Ann]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rundown-of-problems/#comment-117981">indie8million</a>.</p>
<p>Hi indie8million, You are so kind and caring. I never thought I would get on a blog and bare my soul to any who wanted to read my posts. Mike has a way of gently pushing one off the fence and right into the mix and here I am. I so agree with you about still ins and trying to help them out. I so want all sheeple to leave the ties that bind so tightly, some may never get out! How I wish they would peek once out into the Sunshine and let their hearts guide them out, instead of sacrificing their bodies, minds and spirits on dm&#8217;s twisted altar.Love, Ann</p>
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		By: Dio		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rundown-of-problems/#comment-118231</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2016 07:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rundown-of-problems/#comment-118057&quot;&gt;Cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

Cindy,

Re:  “and for those who have loved ones in, get them out.”

Yes, there a couple of people in the cos that I know that I have been thinking about writing a letter to, to wake them up and get them out.

I would like if you or someone can write up and post a good effective form letter that anyone can use to send it to the people they know.


Dio]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rundown-of-problems/#comment-118057">Cindy</a>.</p>
<p>Cindy,</p>
<p>Re:  “and for those who have loved ones in, get them out.”</p>
<p>Yes, there a couple of people in the cos that I know that I have been thinking about writing a letter to, to wake them up and get them out.</p>
<p>I would like if you or someone can write up and post a good effective form letter that anyone can use to send it to the people they know.</p>
<p>Dio</p>
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		By: Dio		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2016 07:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Peter, Post script: I want to add a few words to my post of suggestions above, in particular to number 4: Some statements of Hubbard&#039;s such as: 

keeping scn free, 

and as Mike quotes on this blog,

&quot;We own a tremendous amount of property. We own a tremendous amount of material and so forth, and it keeps growing. But that’s not important. When buildings get important to us, for God sakes, some of you born revolutionists will you please blow up central headquarters&quot;. L Ron Hubbard Lecture 31 Dec 1960


and any others that support this point,


 have to be enforced.



And have demonstrators sell books, which are critical  of Hubbard and the cos such as by Jon Atack  and others too numerous to mention, to the public, where ever possible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, Post script: I want to add a few words to my post of suggestions above, in particular to number 4: Some statements of Hubbard&#8217;s such as: </p>
<p>keeping scn free, </p>
<p>and as Mike quotes on this blog,</p>
<p>&#8220;We own a tremendous amount of property. We own a tremendous amount of material and so forth, and it keeps growing. But that’s not important. When buildings get important to us, for God sakes, some of you born revolutionists will you please blow up central headquarters&#8221;. L Ron Hubbard Lecture 31 Dec 1960</p>
<p>and any others that support this point,</p>
<p> have to be enforced.</p>
<p>And have demonstrators sell books, which are critical  of Hubbard and the cos such as by Jon Atack  and others too numerous to mention, to the public, where ever possible.</p>
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		By: outraged		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2016 03:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rundown-of-problems/#comment-117984&quot;&gt;indie8million&lt;/a&gt;.

Where is Heber? Is he alive? 

Why does this question have to be asked????
This is SO heinous. It is incomprehensible to me that Scientology is getting away with kidnapping in addition to all of their other crimes.

In WHAT religion do family members disappear?? In WHAT religion do you have no idea whatsoever whether or not your friend is alive? 

Keep Asking Indie8million. We have to keep asking. Where is Heber??]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rundown-of-problems/#comment-117984">indie8million</a>.</p>
<p>Where is Heber? Is he alive? </p>
<p>Why does this question have to be asked????<br />
This is SO heinous. It is incomprehensible to me that Scientology is getting away with kidnapping in addition to all of their other crimes.</p>
<p>In WHAT religion do family members disappear?? In WHAT religion do you have no idea whatsoever whether or not your friend is alive? </p>
<p>Keep Asking Indie8million. We have to keep asking. Where is Heber??</p>
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		By: The Oracle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2016 21:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rundown-of-problems/#comment-118122&quot;&gt;I Yawnalot&lt;/a&gt;.

I see it the same way. It is not the end of the world, we are still in the cradle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rundown-of-problems/#comment-118122">I Yawnalot</a>.</p>
<p>I see it the same way. It is not the end of the world, we are still in the cradle.</p>
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		By: Ann B Watson		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rundown-of-problems/#comment-118181</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2016 20:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rundown-of-problems/#comment-118169&quot;&gt;The Oracle&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi The Oracle, Thank you, I never thought of it that way. There is always a sliver of wiggle room for anyone to change if they really want. I just ran into some dark masses all the way round. Love, Ann]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rundown-of-problems/#comment-118169">The Oracle</a>.</p>
<p>Hi The Oracle, Thank you, I never thought of it that way. There is always a sliver of wiggle room for anyone to change if they really want. I just ran into some dark masses all the way round. Love, Ann</p>
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		By: thetaclear		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rundown-of-problems/#comment-118178</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2016 19:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rundown-of-problems/#comment-118145&quot;&gt;Cindy Plahuta&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Cindy , 

I wrote you an e-mail. Let&#039;s wait first to see how much response from others  I have on this. Unfortunately , w/out ample participation and full willingness to come forward this won&#039;t even get to second base. I&#039;ll keep you posted of any development. Take care.

Best regards ,
Peter]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rundown-of-problems/#comment-118145">Cindy Plahuta</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Cindy , </p>
<p>I wrote you an e-mail. Let&#8217;s wait first to see how much response from others  I have on this. Unfortunately , w/out ample participation and full willingness to come forward this won&#8217;t even get to second base. I&#8217;ll keep you posted of any development. Take care.</p>
<p>Best regards ,<br />
Peter</p>
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		By: The Oracle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2016 18:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rundown-of-problems/#comment-118002&quot;&gt;Ann B Watson&lt;/a&gt;.

People that have gone to the dark side, and don&#039;t even know they are there. That is collateral damage.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rundown-of-problems/#comment-118002">Ann B Watson</a>.</p>
<p>People that have gone to the dark side, and don&#8217;t even know they are there. That is collateral damage.</p>
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		By: Cindy Plahuta		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cindy Plahuta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2016 16:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rundown-of-problems/#comment-118143&quot;&gt;Theta Clear&lt;/a&gt;.

Peter,

I am in! Tell me when this will happen and where you need me most. Thanks for coordinating this big movement. My email is: cindyplahuta@msn.com]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rundown-of-problems/#comment-118143">Theta Clear</a>.</p>
<p>Peter,</p>
<p>I am in! Tell me when this will happen and where you need me most. Thanks for coordinating this big movement. My email is: <a href="mailto:cindyplahuta@msn.com">cindyplahuta@msn.com</a></p>
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		By: Theta Clear		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Theta Clear]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2016 15:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/rundown-of-problems/#comment-117933&quot;&gt;clearlypissedoff&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes,  I just saw Mike&#039;s reply ; thank you. My apologies for having made assumptions about you in such a hurry. Your intentions are VERY honorable,  and I thank you for that. I am really sad about your kids. I&#039;ll pray for their safety and well being. 


Please don&#039;t lose hope. I really want to do something about this madness ; this is just driving me crazy. I made a proposal some months ago in this blog about two strategies to end these abuses once and for all. At that time,  it was dismissed and ignored by most except Mike. I was just beginning to post here,  so perhaps I was just thought of as a crazy KSW idealist. So I will briefly discuss them again to see what reaction it gets in a new unit of time. Regardless of that , may be we can get together and plan something effective,  you and me. I can be reached at :


thetaclear68@yahoo.com


My name is Peter Torres . I don&#039;t care about OSA or the CofS. They represent nothing to me but a bunch of cowards. I fear no evil,  no harassment, no detectives,  no character assassination . In fact,  I lived a very disorderly life,  and committed many things that I am not proud of. So any detective can have a field day with me. But I face the world head on with courage,  and I am very much willing to face my ghosts. Therefore,  I fear no evil,  and may be,  just may be I can finally be worthy of redemption if I help others recover from this madness. Right now,  I am not worthy of it. 


Now to go directly to the strategies , they are two ; one involving the ONU&#039;s Human Rights Commission (now known as the &quot;Human Rights Council&quot;)  , and the other involving a huge massive 7-days protest at 5 key locations (at least 1,000 at each location) : Flag , Saint Hill , LA , The UN&#039;s Human Right Commission chapter in NY,  and The IRS building .  Both strategies requires ample participation of those that have been harmed in any way by Scientology (disconnection,  harassment,  fair-gaming,  etc) , and of those who are against Human Rights abuses. W/out that ample participation , this won&#039;t work. We are now at a &quot;Make Break Point&quot; in the fight against the CofS thanks to all those freedom fighters that requires an entire post just to mention them all. A &quot;Make Break Point&quot; in that all the efforts by others to expose the many crimes that the CofS have committed are finally paying off , and the public opinion is massively against the cult with more and more individuals being willing each day to confront the Church and publicly criticize their abusive practices w/out fearing the Church&#039;s methods at &quot;Attacking the critics and dissenters&quot;. 



Today is more easy to attack the CofS , and more easy to broadly expose them thanks to all those freedom fighters , Mike Rinder being the top one. This blog,  many others,  many books,  and the recent HBO doc , have planted the needed seeds which can ignite an international coordinated event to finally force the CofS to publicly (and for real) change its strategy about handling critics and dissenters , and to end each and every disconnection order that they have ever issued. We now have the means to force them to do just that. This battle will not be won in courts ; it&#039;ll be won in the Public Relations arena , and its incredible power to bring about social changes.


The emotional pain that hundreds of families are going through due to being disconnected from their love ones ,  is just too inhuman. Every time I read a new disconnection story my heart breaks in a thousand pieces. I can&#039;t even bear the thought of being separated from my child , and seeing so many people spending these special family holidays w/out their family is just something very hard to confront ; it just breaks my soul. 


I beg you all,  I implore you to please let&#039;s do something about this now. Enough is enough. Many victories have been won along the way , but we can&#039;t wait years and years for this to end. We must take advantage of the created momentum to deliver an effective blow that will force the CofS to act now to reform itself. The time has come to take a stand , to make sacrifices , to reevaluate priorities. Many of us are drown at work with many financial PTPs and other life problems. And involving yourselves in time-consuming activities besides work and family might not be what is on your minds right now. Getting out of the routine is not easy and comfortable. But I am not asking of you weeks or years of your time. I am only asking you for 7 days of your life ; just 7 days , and probably traveling away from your home those 7days. 


7 days that might mean the reconnection of a family ; the deprogramming of one soul from the cult. How much sacrifice is worth the happiness of a family that have been brought together again ? How much sacrifice is worth to know that , while you are celebrating your next Christmas with your love ones , a family that had been separated is finally celebrating it together just as you are ? If being totally broke means that I helped others regain happiness again,  then I happily accept bankruptcy . If getting harassed and back PRed translate into others having woke up from the grip of a cult , then I happily accept that destiny .For there is no greatest happiness in life that helping your fellow beings to have theirs as well. 


I only ask you 7 days , that&#039;s all , and traveling where you are needed those 7 days. I&#039;ll see what I can do to find affordable lodgings, and food for everyone. I&#039;ll handle all the logistics of it all,  including coordination  with the applicable government agencies including the police , so that we can be distraction free and protected in this massive protest that I want to coordinate . I&#039;ll coordinate transportation from the hotels to the protest places and back. I&#039;ll find bulk discount prices. I&#039;ll do everything I can to make it as affordable as possible,  and as comfortable as possible for you all. 


Many great social changes were brought about by massive non-violent protests. From Gandhi to Dr. King  , they both achieved many victories with just being there pacifically protesting. Just 5 years ago millions of Egyptians showed the world what a common coordinated purpose and courage can achieve for a whole country in the &quot;2011 Egyptian Revolution&quot;. A suppressive regime was defeated in a matter of a few weeks because others had the courage,  determination,  and the willingness to make sacrifices in the name of Freedom. 


Many reforms in the Rights of LGBT sector were brought about by massive protests  like the one in front of the American Psychiatric Association where Homosexuality was eliminated as a mental disorder from the book in 1974. Now that sector has gained rights at legally getting married at many parts of the world , and thus defending the right to be legally  protected as a family unit , including health care and economic rights. Many, many battles were won in courts,  but the most important ones were won in the Public Relations arena through the use of coordinated massive protests. It were  those protests that forced courts and governments to act and reform themselves.


And then we have many more examples of the incredible changes that a coordinated effort based on prosurvival purposes for the common good is capable of bringing about. Here are some of them taken out of a website on &quot;Non Violence Protests&quot; :


1. 1905-1906 -- In Russia, peasants, workers, students, and the intelligentsia engaged in major strikes and other forms of nonviolent action, forcing the Czar to accept the creation of an elected legislature.


2. 1913-1919 -- Nonviolent demonstrations for woman&#039;s suffrage in the United States led to the passage and ratification of the Constitutional amendment guaranteeing women the right to vote.


3. 1920 -- An attempted coup d&#039;etat, led by Wolfgang Kapp against the Weimar Republic of Germany failed when the population went on a general strike, refusing to give its consent and cooperation to the new government.


4. 1955-1968 -- Using a variety of nonviolent methods, including bus boycotts, economic boycotts, massive demonstrations, marches, sit-ins, and freedom rides, the U.S. civil rights movement won passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.


5. 1986 -- The Philippines &quot;people power&quot; movement brought down the oppressive Marcos dictatorship. This one,  you must read about ; it is VERY inspirational indeed :


 http://www.superconsciousness.com/topics/society/people-power-revolution-philippines


And these brave Philippines did it again in 2001 :


6. 2001 -- The “People Power Two” campaign, ousts Filipino President Estrada in early 2001.


7. 2004-05 -- The Ukranian people take back their democracy with the Orange revolution.


There is a a lot of good information and resources on the uses of non violent protests on a website created by Dr. Michael Nagler , called , &quot;Metta Center for Nonviolence&quot; :


 http://mettacenter.org/


You can learn from him in this video :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBDeesTDEKk&#038;feature=youtube_gdata_player


Do not underestimate the power of non violent coordinated massive protests in bringing about great social changes. 


As part of this strategy,  and actually BEFORE it , I planned to file a formal complaint against the CofS on the UN&#039;s Commission of Human Rights now called the &quot;Human Rights Council&quot;  :


&quot;The Human Rights Council is an inter-governmental body within the United Nations system responsible for strengthening the promotion and protection of human rights around the globe and for addressing situations of human rights violations and make recommendations on them. It has the ability to discuss all thematic human rights issues and situations that require its attention throughout the year. It meets at the UN Office at Geneva.&quot;


The Human Rights Council has a &quot;Complaint Procedure&quot; for those whose Human Rights has been violated either by the government (or any of its agencies) or by individuals. 


&quot;On 18 June 2007, the Human Rights Council adopted resolution 5/1entitled &#039;Institution-Building of the United Nations Human Rights Council&#039; by which a new complaint procedure was established to address consistent patterns of gross and reliably attested violations of all human rights and all fundamental freedoms occurring in any part of the world and under any circumstances.&quot;


&quot;The complaint procedure addresses communications submitted by individuals, groups, or non-governmental organizations that claim to be victims of human rights violations or that have direct, reliable knowledge of such violations.&quot;


Now,  there are some criteria for a communication (complaint) to be accepted for examination in the first place . I have studied that criteria in detail and we meet ALL of them. Anyone interested can look directly at the Human Rights Council&#039;s website here :


http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/ComplaintProcedure/Pages/HRCComplaintProcedureIndex.aspx


Any individual,  such as myself,  can file a complaint in behalf of another or others,  which is what I intent to do. Now, for this to work at all, I need hundreds (yes,  you heard me well) of sworn affidavits from those whose Human Rights have been violated by the CofS,  including all the possible evidence at hand. The complaint itself can&#039;t exceed the 8-10 pages,  but many documents are allowed as attachments and evidence which is where all those sworn affidavits come into play. I can&#039;t go there with 30-50 affidavits even if only one is important enough (which IS to me)  to protect the rights of that person. For they to take me seriously enough,  and for me to be able to exert enough pressure on them to accept my communication for examination, I need (more , would like) no less than 200 but preferably as close to 500 as it can get. And from EVERY country,  not just the USA. 


This means that most of you will have to let go of any feeling of being harassed or attacked by the CofS, and be 100% willing to put up a fight. If I am,  and I don&#039;t have any close friends nor any family inside the CofS , and even have a bad past to serve as the perfect target to attack ,  then I expect no less from any of you. Gee , I am not even SP declared. I have never been personally hurt by the CofS to amount to anything [ not this life-time , :-)))  ]. I am a lonely man who like to keep to himself. I don&#039;t like crowds nor any publicity. So why on hell would I want to do something almost suicidal ? Simple ; because I CARE ENOUGH. 


If I have enough support this time - as opposed to the first time I mentioned this in this blog months ago which got 3 criticisms (one for the already gone John Locke , one from dear Espiando but it seems he likes me now ; I hope , and another one) , and 3 supports ; Mike Rinder , Mark Marco , and my dear Ann - then I&#039;ll play. If not , I guess that I would have to wait for you guys and gals to be ready. I am a VERY patient man. 


There is absolutely no reason why we can&#039;t have at least 5,000 protesters ; no reason at all,  and I want no less than that. The list of Scientologists who left the CofS and publicly spoke against them is now around 2,650 more or less. We have more Scientologists (KSW followers and Ex(es) ) out-here than inside the CofS. We have many,  many Never-ins that I know support this cause. I want them all. I want all those freedom fighters enlisted ; ALL of them,  I don&#039;t care if they are no longer Scientologists , if they love it or hate it , or are indifferent to it. I don&#039;t care. I just want them all. 


This fight is not about the workability or lack thereof of Scientology. This fight isn&#039;t about if LRH was a good man or just a con artist. This fight isn&#039;t about &quot;Saving the Tech&quot; but NEITHER about destroying it. This fight isn&#039;t about putting DM behind bars. This fight isn&#039;t about vengeance or hate. This isn&#039;t about destruction but only about creation. This fight has only ONE purpose in mind : THE PROTECTION OF THE FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHTS with the following valuable final products :


1. A Church that has ceased to use any methods to attack its critics and dissenters. They can talk about their disagreements with us,  of course,  and we must be willing to accept criticism. The Freedom of Speech right works both ways ; it is a 2 flow manifestation. 


2. A Church that has publicly (even if only to its members) cancelled the Disconnection practice. 


3. A Church that has cancelled any and every disconnection order that it has ever issued. 


4. A Church that has handled to reunite all those disconnected families allowing them to FREELY talk about anything w/out any interference or attacks of any kind neither for the parishioner nor for his family member outside the CofS.


5. A Church that will allow others to freely practice Scientology outside their control should any parishioner wish to , even if they strongly advice against it and attempt (w/out force,  ethics,  or harassment) to convince them to do otherwise.


Impossible goals ? So was the abolition of slavery,  the equal rights for all genders and races,  the LGTB rights,  etc,  etc. Only this time, our goals are more easier to achieve than those mentioned ; much,  much easier,  IF ,  and only IF we achieve massive participation and agreed upon goals. I can not force you to do this,  but I can implore you to give me your hand on this. I need 5,000 people and 200-500 sworn affidavits,  7 days of your life and your willingness to be away from home those 7 days. I&#039;ll take care of the rest of the details with the help of volunteers. Is that so much to ask to reunite those hundreds souls that have been driven apart, and suffer daily the loss of a love one ? I hope your answer be &quot;NO&quot;. 


Anyone agreeing to this just send me a short email to :


thetaclear68@yahoo.com

I am Peter Torres. 


UTRs with families still in,  stay off the email lines for right now. Use instead an email address that you opened with another name and no personal details,    and from a computer NOT your own. Do not use yours. I don&#039;t want more families separated. I rather have you off this fight , but the decision is entirely yours. Each of you are very much welcome. 


KSW followers ; I seek no destruction. I am against LRH,  yes,  and I am against many things form Scn. But I fully grant you the right to practice your religion w/out my undue influence. These strategies are about the goals mentioned above,  and about nothing else. In this fight we should be friends as we share a common 
goal. I can not promise you that I will stop alerting others about the inherent destructiveness of many parts of the Scientology&#039;s scriptures , and about what I feel were destructive intentions from LRH. But I do promise you,  that these 2 strategies are NOT about that. This is only about Human Rights. So you all are very much invited and welcome to join the fight. I expect your full participation. 


Obviously,  these strategies has many details that I am not discussing right now, like the use of lawyers as observers video taping everything ; the participation of the Media , the participation of other Human Rights activists ; a special song that I am composing (just the letter,  I am no musician) to be played and sang by volunteers ; several key well-known speakers (I am a lousy one) ; etc,  etc.


But the first step of this program is to ascertain first how much agreement of participation do I have at all. That is step ONE (Target one)  of the program ; a Conditional Target for those of you familiar with the Admin Tech. Once I ascertain that , then I can start working on the rest of the Program steps. I like to work with prediction ; that&#039;s how I handle life. I don&#039;t deal in uncertainties. So just e-mail me with a very short note if you are in. That&#039;s all it takes. Do it from any email account you want (a protected one) if you feel uneasy ; do not use your name if you don&#039;t want to at this point. Just tell me whether or not I have your agreement to participate. 


I&#039;ll leave you now with a very inspirational quote from Dr. Martin Luther King :



&quot;Me must accept finite disappointment but  never lose infinite hope&quot;. 



Ok then,  I have written enough for one night. Now let&#039;s see the responses. 



Best regards,

Peter Torres]]></description>
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<p>Yes,  I just saw Mike&#8217;s reply ; thank you. My apologies for having made assumptions about you in such a hurry. Your intentions are VERY honorable,  and I thank you for that. I am really sad about your kids. I&#8217;ll pray for their safety and well being. </p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t lose hope. I really want to do something about this madness ; this is just driving me crazy. I made a proposal some months ago in this blog about two strategies to end these abuses once and for all. At that time,  it was dismissed and ignored by most except Mike. I was just beginning to post here,  so perhaps I was just thought of as a crazy KSW idealist. So I will briefly discuss them again to see what reaction it gets in a new unit of time. Regardless of that , may be we can get together and plan something effective,  you and me. I can be reached at :</p>
<p><a href="mailto:thetaclear68@yahoo.com">thetaclear68@yahoo.com</a></p>
<p>My name is Peter Torres . I don&#8217;t care about OSA or the CofS. They represent nothing to me but a bunch of cowards. I fear no evil,  no harassment, no detectives,  no character assassination . In fact,  I lived a very disorderly life,  and committed many things that I am not proud of. So any detective can have a field day with me. But I face the world head on with courage,  and I am very much willing to face my ghosts. Therefore,  I fear no evil,  and may be,  just may be I can finally be worthy of redemption if I help others recover from this madness. Right now,  I am not worthy of it. </p>
<p>Now to go directly to the strategies , they are two ; one involving the ONU&#8217;s Human Rights Commission (now known as the &#8220;Human Rights Council&#8221;)  , and the other involving a huge massive 7-days protest at 5 key locations (at least 1,000 at each location) : Flag , Saint Hill , LA , The UN&#8217;s Human Right Commission chapter in NY,  and The IRS building .  Both strategies requires ample participation of those that have been harmed in any way by Scientology (disconnection,  harassment,  fair-gaming,  etc) , and of those who are against Human Rights abuses. W/out that ample participation , this won&#8217;t work. We are now at a &#8220;Make Break Point&#8221; in the fight against the CofS thanks to all those freedom fighters that requires an entire post just to mention them all. A &#8220;Make Break Point&#8221; in that all the efforts by others to expose the many crimes that the CofS have committed are finally paying off , and the public opinion is massively against the cult with more and more individuals being willing each day to confront the Church and publicly criticize their abusive practices w/out fearing the Church&#8217;s methods at &#8220;Attacking the critics and dissenters&#8221;. </p>
<p>Today is more easy to attack the CofS , and more easy to broadly expose them thanks to all those freedom fighters , Mike Rinder being the top one. This blog,  many others,  many books,  and the recent HBO doc , have planted the needed seeds which can ignite an international coordinated event to finally force the CofS to publicly (and for real) change its strategy about handling critics and dissenters , and to end each and every disconnection order that they have ever issued. We now have the means to force them to do just that. This battle will not be won in courts ; it&#8217;ll be won in the Public Relations arena , and its incredible power to bring about social changes.</p>
<p>The emotional pain that hundreds of families are going through due to being disconnected from their love ones ,  is just too inhuman. Every time I read a new disconnection story my heart breaks in a thousand pieces. I can&#8217;t even bear the thought of being separated from my child , and seeing so many people spending these special family holidays w/out their family is just something very hard to confront ; it just breaks my soul. </p>
<p>I beg you all,  I implore you to please let&#8217;s do something about this now. Enough is enough. Many victories have been won along the way , but we can&#8217;t wait years and years for this to end. We must take advantage of the created momentum to deliver an effective blow that will force the CofS to act now to reform itself. The time has come to take a stand , to make sacrifices , to reevaluate priorities. Many of us are drown at work with many financial PTPs and other life problems. And involving yourselves in time-consuming activities besides work and family might not be what is on your minds right now. Getting out of the routine is not easy and comfortable. But I am not asking of you weeks or years of your time. I am only asking you for 7 days of your life ; just 7 days , and probably traveling away from your home those 7days. </p>
<p>7 days that might mean the reconnection of a family ; the deprogramming of one soul from the cult. How much sacrifice is worth the happiness of a family that have been brought together again ? How much sacrifice is worth to know that , while you are celebrating your next Christmas with your love ones , a family that had been separated is finally celebrating it together just as you are ? If being totally broke means that I helped others regain happiness again,  then I happily accept bankruptcy . If getting harassed and back PRed translate into others having woke up from the grip of a cult , then I happily accept that destiny .For there is no greatest happiness in life that helping your fellow beings to have theirs as well. </p>
<p>I only ask you 7 days , that&#8217;s all , and traveling where you are needed those 7 days. I&#8217;ll see what I can do to find affordable lodgings, and food for everyone. I&#8217;ll handle all the logistics of it all,  including coordination  with the applicable government agencies including the police , so that we can be distraction free and protected in this massive protest that I want to coordinate . I&#8217;ll coordinate transportation from the hotels to the protest places and back. I&#8217;ll find bulk discount prices. I&#8217;ll do everything I can to make it as affordable as possible,  and as comfortable as possible for you all. </p>
<p>Many great social changes were brought about by massive non-violent protests. From Gandhi to Dr. King  , they both achieved many victories with just being there pacifically protesting. Just 5 years ago millions of Egyptians showed the world what a common coordinated purpose and courage can achieve for a whole country in the &#8220;2011 Egyptian Revolution&#8221;. A suppressive regime was defeated in a matter of a few weeks because others had the courage,  determination,  and the willingness to make sacrifices in the name of Freedom. </p>
<p>Many reforms in the Rights of LGBT sector were brought about by massive protests  like the one in front of the American Psychiatric Association where Homosexuality was eliminated as a mental disorder from the book in 1974. Now that sector has gained rights at legally getting married at many parts of the world , and thus defending the right to be legally  protected as a family unit , including health care and economic rights. Many, many battles were won in courts,  but the most important ones were won in the Public Relations arena through the use of coordinated massive protests. It were  those protests that forced courts and governments to act and reform themselves.</p>
<p>And then we have many more examples of the incredible changes that a coordinated effort based on prosurvival purposes for the common good is capable of bringing about. Here are some of them taken out of a website on &#8220;Non Violence Protests&#8221; :</p>
<p>1. 1905-1906 &#8212; In Russia, peasants, workers, students, and the intelligentsia engaged in major strikes and other forms of nonviolent action, forcing the Czar to accept the creation of an elected legislature.</p>
<p>2. 1913-1919 &#8212; Nonviolent demonstrations for woman&#8217;s suffrage in the United States led to the passage and ratification of the Constitutional amendment guaranteeing women the right to vote.</p>
<p>3. 1920 &#8212; An attempted coup d&#8217;etat, led by Wolfgang Kapp against the Weimar Republic of Germany failed when the population went on a general strike, refusing to give its consent and cooperation to the new government.</p>
<p>4. 1955-1968 &#8212; Using a variety of nonviolent methods, including bus boycotts, economic boycotts, massive demonstrations, marches, sit-ins, and freedom rides, the U.S. civil rights movement won passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.</p>
<p>5. 1986 &#8212; The Philippines &#8220;people power&#8221; movement brought down the oppressive Marcos dictatorship. This one,  you must read about ; it is VERY inspirational indeed :</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.superconsciousness.com/topics/society/people-power-revolution-philippines" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.superconsciousness.com/topics/society/people-power-revolution-philippines</a></p>
<p>And these brave Philippines did it again in 2001 :</p>
<p>6. 2001 &#8212; The “People Power Two” campaign, ousts Filipino President Estrada in early 2001.</p>
<p>7. 2004-05 &#8212; The Ukranian people take back their democracy with the Orange revolution.</p>
<p>There is a a lot of good information and resources on the uses of non violent protests on a website created by Dr. Michael Nagler , called , &#8220;Metta Center for Nonviolence&#8221; :</p>
<p> <a href="http://mettacenter.org/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://mettacenter.org/</a></p>
<p>You can learn from him in this video :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBDeesTDEKk&#038;feature=youtube_gdata_player" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBDeesTDEKk&#038;feature=youtube_gdata_player</a></p>
<p>Do not underestimate the power of non violent coordinated massive protests in bringing about great social changes. </p>
<p>As part of this strategy,  and actually BEFORE it , I planned to file a formal complaint against the CofS on the UN&#8217;s Commission of Human Rights now called the &#8220;Human Rights Council&#8221;  :</p>
<p>&#8220;The Human Rights Council is an inter-governmental body within the United Nations system responsible for strengthening the promotion and protection of human rights around the globe and for addressing situations of human rights violations and make recommendations on them. It has the ability to discuss all thematic human rights issues and situations that require its attention throughout the year. It meets at the UN Office at Geneva.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Human Rights Council has a &#8220;Complaint Procedure&#8221; for those whose Human Rights has been violated either by the government (or any of its agencies) or by individuals. </p>
<p>&#8220;On 18 June 2007, the Human Rights Council adopted resolution 5/1entitled &#8216;Institution-Building of the United Nations Human Rights Council&#8217; by which a new complaint procedure was established to address consistent patterns of gross and reliably attested violations of all human rights and all fundamental freedoms occurring in any part of the world and under any circumstances.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The complaint procedure addresses communications submitted by individuals, groups, or non-governmental organizations that claim to be victims of human rights violations or that have direct, reliable knowledge of such violations.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now,  there are some criteria for a communication (complaint) to be accepted for examination in the first place . I have studied that criteria in detail and we meet ALL of them. Anyone interested can look directly at the Human Rights Council&#8217;s website here :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/ComplaintProcedure/Pages/HRCComplaintProcedureIndex.aspx" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/ComplaintProcedure/Pages/HRCComplaintProcedureIndex.aspx</a></p>
<p>Any individual,  such as myself,  can file a complaint in behalf of another or others,  which is what I intent to do. Now, for this to work at all, I need hundreds (yes,  you heard me well) of sworn affidavits from those whose Human Rights have been violated by the CofS,  including all the possible evidence at hand. The complaint itself can&#8217;t exceed the 8-10 pages,  but many documents are allowed as attachments and evidence which is where all those sworn affidavits come into play. I can&#8217;t go there with 30-50 affidavits even if only one is important enough (which IS to me)  to protect the rights of that person. For they to take me seriously enough,  and for me to be able to exert enough pressure on them to accept my communication for examination, I need (more , would like) no less than 200 but preferably as close to 500 as it can get. And from EVERY country,  not just the USA. </p>
<p>This means that most of you will have to let go of any feeling of being harassed or attacked by the CofS, and be 100% willing to put up a fight. If I am,  and I don&#8217;t have any close friends nor any family inside the CofS , and even have a bad past to serve as the perfect target to attack ,  then I expect no less from any of you. Gee , I am not even SP declared. I have never been personally hurt by the CofS to amount to anything [ not this life-time , :-)))  ]. I am a lonely man who like to keep to himself. I don&#8217;t like crowds nor any publicity. So why on hell would I want to do something almost suicidal ? Simple ; because I CARE ENOUGH. </p>
<p>If I have enough support this time &#8211; as opposed to the first time I mentioned this in this blog months ago which got 3 criticisms (one for the already gone John Locke , one from dear Espiando but it seems he likes me now ; I hope , and another one) , and 3 supports ; Mike Rinder , Mark Marco , and my dear Ann &#8211; then I&#8217;ll play. If not , I guess that I would have to wait for you guys and gals to be ready. I am a VERY patient man. </p>
<p>There is absolutely no reason why we can&#8217;t have at least 5,000 protesters ; no reason at all,  and I want no less than that. The list of Scientologists who left the CofS and publicly spoke against them is now around 2,650 more or less. We have more Scientologists (KSW followers and Ex(es) ) out-here than inside the CofS. We have many,  many Never-ins that I know support this cause. I want them all. I want all those freedom fighters enlisted ; ALL of them,  I don&#8217;t care if they are no longer Scientologists , if they love it or hate it , or are indifferent to it. I don&#8217;t care. I just want them all. </p>
<p>This fight is not about the workability or lack thereof of Scientology. This fight isn&#8217;t about if LRH was a good man or just a con artist. This fight isn&#8217;t about &#8220;Saving the Tech&#8221; but NEITHER about destroying it. This fight isn&#8217;t about putting DM behind bars. This fight isn&#8217;t about vengeance or hate. This isn&#8217;t about destruction but only about creation. This fight has only ONE purpose in mind : THE PROTECTION OF THE FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHTS with the following valuable final products :</p>
<p>1. A Church that has ceased to use any methods to attack its critics and dissenters. They can talk about their disagreements with us,  of course,  and we must be willing to accept criticism. The Freedom of Speech right works both ways ; it is a 2 flow manifestation. </p>
<p>2. A Church that has publicly (even if only to its members) cancelled the Disconnection practice. </p>
<p>3. A Church that has cancelled any and every disconnection order that it has ever issued. </p>
<p>4. A Church that has handled to reunite all those disconnected families allowing them to FREELY talk about anything w/out any interference or attacks of any kind neither for the parishioner nor for his family member outside the CofS.</p>
<p>5. A Church that will allow others to freely practice Scientology outside their control should any parishioner wish to , even if they strongly advice against it and attempt (w/out force,  ethics,  or harassment) to convince them to do otherwise.</p>
<p>Impossible goals ? So was the abolition of slavery,  the equal rights for all genders and races,  the LGTB rights,  etc,  etc. Only this time, our goals are more easier to achieve than those mentioned ; much,  much easier,  IF ,  and only IF we achieve massive participation and agreed upon goals. I can not force you to do this,  but I can implore you to give me your hand on this. I need 5,000 people and 200-500 sworn affidavits,  7 days of your life and your willingness to be away from home those 7 days. I&#8217;ll take care of the rest of the details with the help of volunteers. Is that so much to ask to reunite those hundreds souls that have been driven apart, and suffer daily the loss of a love one ? I hope your answer be &#8220;NO&#8221;. </p>
<p>Anyone agreeing to this just send me a short email to :</p>
<p><a href="mailto:thetaclear68@yahoo.com">thetaclear68@yahoo.com</a></p>
<p>I am Peter Torres. </p>
<p>UTRs with families still in,  stay off the email lines for right now. Use instead an email address that you opened with another name and no personal details,    and from a computer NOT your own. Do not use yours. I don&#8217;t want more families separated. I rather have you off this fight , but the decision is entirely yours. Each of you are very much welcome. </p>
<p>KSW followers ; I seek no destruction. I am against LRH,  yes,  and I am against many things form Scn. But I fully grant you the right to practice your religion w/out my undue influence. These strategies are about the goals mentioned above,  and about nothing else. In this fight we should be friends as we share a common<br />
goal. I can not promise you that I will stop alerting others about the inherent destructiveness of many parts of the Scientology&#8217;s scriptures , and about what I feel were destructive intentions from LRH. But I do promise you,  that these 2 strategies are NOT about that. This is only about Human Rights. So you all are very much invited and welcome to join the fight. I expect your full participation. </p>
<p>Obviously,  these strategies has many details that I am not discussing right now, like the use of lawyers as observers video taping everything ; the participation of the Media , the participation of other Human Rights activists ; a special song that I am composing (just the letter,  I am no musician) to be played and sang by volunteers ; several key well-known speakers (I am a lousy one) ; etc,  etc.</p>
<p>But the first step of this program is to ascertain first how much agreement of participation do I have at all. That is step ONE (Target one)  of the program ; a Conditional Target for those of you familiar with the Admin Tech. Once I ascertain that , then I can start working on the rest of the Program steps. I like to work with prediction ; that&#8217;s how I handle life. I don&#8217;t deal in uncertainties. So just e-mail me with a very short note if you are in. That&#8217;s all it takes. Do it from any email account you want (a protected one) if you feel uneasy ; do not use your name if you don&#8217;t want to at this point. Just tell me whether or not I have your agreement to participate. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave you now with a very inspirational quote from Dr. Martin Luther King :</p>
<p>&#8220;Me must accept finite disappointment but  never lose infinite hope&#8221;. </p>
<p>Ok then,  I have written enough for one night. Now let&#8217;s see the responses. </p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
<p>Peter Torres</p>
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