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		By: Peridot		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2022 17:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-in-circles-again-2/#comment-507801&quot;&gt;Mat Pesch&lt;/a&gt;.

I am in this camp of someone who would be interested to read a book about David Mayo&#039;s trajectory into and then fully out of Scientology. When I naively entered Scientology in the late 1980&#039;s, there was a steady buzz about David Mayo: &quot;David Mayo destroyed the OT Levels...&quot; and &quot;David Mayo went undetected for what he was [looking to destroy the tech] for so long...&quot; and &quot;...it was a young Sea Org member that took him down, which shows how each in this group has importance in keeping the group in-Tech.&quot;

It now seems over the top as an &quot;all in&quot; explanation of anything / everything that has ever gone wrong within Scientology; but that is how the dark legend of David Mayo was presented.

A different picture is offered in Nancy Many&#039;s &quot;My Billion Year Contract: Memoir of a Former Scientologist.&quot; If you are familiar with Nancy&#039;s compelling story, after she left the Sea Org, she remained in good standing and took on special projects for Office of Special Affairs. One such project was to infiltrate ex-Scientologist David Mayo spa-retreat-self improvement center in Southern California to obtain material evidence of what a stealing suppressive scammer and shammer he was. But when she ultimately reported back she could not find dark activities or motives, Nancy&#039;s mental-emotional health became the target and she was nearly undone by daily sessions designed to spin her in. Dark stuff.

From this brief glimpse into the figure of David Mayo, I began to speculate maybe the bravado of &quot;Keeping Scientology Working&quot; that claims Ron did all the technical developments and discoveries on his own, is fiction. Maybe in fact David Mayo and other very bright individuals worked on technical items, such as the set of correction lists that a skilled auditor can use [on the meter] if the session is going off the rails. To me, those lists are thorough and very useful.

The mystery of David Mayo is perhaps but one seemingly murky area of the scientology history in terms of uncovering who, along the way, was falsely accused and wrong targeted for shining too brightly around the feet of the master. Peter F. Gillham, who passed away in 2020, might be another in this list of luminaries. Shelly Miscavige is in this category too in modern times because it seems she really tried to influence the Int Base culture for the better. Like talented, bright leaders before her, she had to be taken out owing to shining a bit too brightly around the heels of the master.

It is sad that institutions throughout history are filled with these tales and unjust outcomes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-in-circles-again-2/#comment-507801">Mat Pesch</a>.</p>
<p>I am in this camp of someone who would be interested to read a book about David Mayo&#8217;s trajectory into and then fully out of Scientology. When I naively entered Scientology in the late 1980&#8217;s, there was a steady buzz about David Mayo: &#8220;David Mayo destroyed the OT Levels&#8230;&#8221; and &#8220;David Mayo went undetected for what he was [looking to destroy the tech] for so long&#8230;&#8221; and &#8220;&#8230;it was a young Sea Org member that took him down, which shows how each in this group has importance in keeping the group in-Tech.&#8221;</p>
<p>It now seems over the top as an &#8220;all in&#8221; explanation of anything / everything that has ever gone wrong within Scientology; but that is how the dark legend of David Mayo was presented.</p>
<p>A different picture is offered in Nancy Many&#8217;s &#8220;My Billion Year Contract: Memoir of a Former Scientologist.&#8221; If you are familiar with Nancy&#8217;s compelling story, after she left the Sea Org, she remained in good standing and took on special projects for Office of Special Affairs. One such project was to infiltrate ex-Scientologist David Mayo spa-retreat-self improvement center in Southern California to obtain material evidence of what a stealing suppressive scammer and shammer he was. But when she ultimately reported back she could not find dark activities or motives, Nancy&#8217;s mental-emotional health became the target and she was nearly undone by daily sessions designed to spin her in. Dark stuff.</p>
<p>From this brief glimpse into the figure of David Mayo, I began to speculate maybe the bravado of &#8220;Keeping Scientology Working&#8221; that claims Ron did all the technical developments and discoveries on his own, is fiction. Maybe in fact David Mayo and other very bright individuals worked on technical items, such as the set of correction lists that a skilled auditor can use [on the meter] if the session is going off the rails. To me, those lists are thorough and very useful.</p>
<p>The mystery of David Mayo is perhaps but one seemingly murky area of the scientology history in terms of uncovering who, along the way, was falsely accused and wrong targeted for shining too brightly around the feet of the master. Peter F. Gillham, who passed away in 2020, might be another in this list of luminaries. Shelly Miscavige is in this category too in modern times because it seems she really tried to influence the Int Base culture for the better. Like talented, bright leaders before her, she had to be taken out owing to shining a bit too brightly around the heels of the master.</p>
<p>It is sad that institutions throughout history are filled with these tales and unjust outcomes.</p>
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		By: Peridot		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2022 17:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-in-circles-again-2/#comment-507909&quot;&gt;John Doe&lt;/a&gt;.

@John Doe, I appreciate this story. It adds richly to the recountings here.  

I went into the Running Program (Cause Resurgence) with a chronic physical condition. The last three days I was on, as you describe, I found that I was able to vanquish any pain or discomfort. Right or wrong, I attributed this phenomenon to me gaining a degree of &quot;I am cause over&quot; my condition. This sounds similar to a win you had.

I am glad to hear that—at least for the portion where you were doing the RP as part of RPF—you had handlers who were demonstrating care and interest, more so than punishment. Whether it was sincere or social veneer, we&#039;ll take it.

I am astonished that this Hubbard technology was 40 or more years old when it was pieced together and made into a service to sell to Public. 

I imagine the strategy discussion was around, with the commitment to build a new building to house all the apparatus of Super Power, the team made a decision to also use this new construction to house something ELSE of magnitude, space-wise at least, and that is The Running Program, re-branding as Cause Resurgence. This rundown does take up a huge amount of space, like a gymnasium in which you might play a basketball game.

The other bit of cleverness—as I suspect many of you know—is that Cause Resurgence is a &quot;gateway drug&quot; to Flag services. Some have mentioned the rundown is $5000. When I did it, it cost $2500.

Imagine the cleverness of offering a Flag-only service at the [in Scientology terms] very affordable rate of $2500 and ANYone can do it, with the only prerequisites being you have done the Purif and completed your Objectives.

That is conceivably a lot of eligible Scientologists from across the world.

Also, as has been stated, people are encouraged to do Cause Resurgence again and again, once a year even as a tune-up.  This means, in theory, Flag has always a steady stream of New Arrivals who come to Flag—many for the first time—to get onto what they THINK is an affordable service. However, once on base, they are fleeced again and again and again for a mountain of other not affordable services and a multitude of donations for which Flag fundraisers are known.

I think the above may be the true strategic reason for dusting off and re-packaging the Running Program as a rundown: #gatewaydrug.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-in-circles-again-2/#comment-507909">John Doe</a>.</p>
<p>@John Doe, I appreciate this story. It adds richly to the recountings here.  </p>
<p>I went into the Running Program (Cause Resurgence) with a chronic physical condition. The last three days I was on, as you describe, I found that I was able to vanquish any pain or discomfort. Right or wrong, I attributed this phenomenon to me gaining a degree of &#8220;I am cause over&#8221; my condition. This sounds similar to a win you had.</p>
<p>I am glad to hear that—at least for the portion where you were doing the RP as part of RPF—you had handlers who were demonstrating care and interest, more so than punishment. Whether it was sincere or social veneer, we&#8217;ll take it.</p>
<p>I am astonished that this Hubbard technology was 40 or more years old when it was pieced together and made into a service to sell to Public. </p>
<p>I imagine the strategy discussion was around, with the commitment to build a new building to house all the apparatus of Super Power, the team made a decision to also use this new construction to house something ELSE of magnitude, space-wise at least, and that is The Running Program, re-branding as Cause Resurgence. This rundown does take up a huge amount of space, like a gymnasium in which you might play a basketball game.</p>
<p>The other bit of cleverness—as I suspect many of you know—is that Cause Resurgence is a &#8220;gateway drug&#8221; to Flag services. Some have mentioned the rundown is $5000. When I did it, it cost $2500.</p>
<p>Imagine the cleverness of offering a Flag-only service at the [in Scientology terms] very affordable rate of $2500 and ANYone can do it, with the only prerequisites being you have done the Purif and completed your Objectives.</p>
<p>That is conceivably a lot of eligible Scientologists from across the world.</p>
<p>Also, as has been stated, people are encouraged to do Cause Resurgence again and again, once a year even as a tune-up.  This means, in theory, Flag has always a steady stream of New Arrivals who come to Flag—many for the first time—to get onto what they THINK is an affordable service. However, once on base, they are fleeced again and again and again for a mountain of other not affordable services and a multitude of donations for which Flag fundraisers are known.</p>
<p>I think the above may be the true strategic reason for dusting off and re-packaging the Running Program as a rundown: #gatewaydrug.</p>
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		By: Cornhole Clear		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2022 00:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-in-circles-again-2/#comment-507975&quot;&gt;Troy S&lt;/a&gt;.

Troy, what is an &quot;LED Supertheta Lighting Array&quot;? Maybe I&#039;m having trouble visualizing the study hall.

I&#039;m certainly a wog, what would you consider yourself?]]></description>
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<p>Troy, what is an &#8220;LED Supertheta Lighting Array&#8221;? Maybe I&#8217;m having trouble visualizing the study hall.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m certainly a wog, what would you consider yourself?</p>
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		By: Duped-Lie-Cated		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2022 22:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[More and more I see David Miscavige as a Sadist  This is just another pain inflicting action.
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Every one of his acts or directives has suffering,  pain, deprivation, humiliation, etc.  It&#039;s a constant vein. Musical chairs at the int base, beans and rice, the Hole and scraps of food, making  that guy lick the bathroom floors, SO members shoveling feces, sunlight deprivation for the staff on the OEC training is definitely going to cause harm to the students body, mind spirit.  Al the while he watches...There&#039;s no reason to do any of these things.  It makes no sense.

It&#039;s not just about the money. Money appears to be another tool used to inflict pain, deprivation and suffering.  Not paying staff, or providing health care for SO members, lack of sanitary berthing, etc. 

Anna Salter talks about this cold, not understood type of person.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More and more I see David Miscavige as a Sadist  This is just another pain inflicting action.<br />
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Every one of his acts or directives has suffering,  pain, deprivation, humiliation, etc.  It&#8217;s a constant vein. Musical chairs at the int base, beans and rice, the Hole and scraps of food, making  that guy lick the bathroom floors, SO members shoveling feces, sunlight deprivation for the staff on the OEC training is definitely going to cause harm to the students body, mind spirit.  Al the while he watches&#8230;There&#8217;s no reason to do any of these things.  It makes no sense.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just about the money. Money appears to be another tool used to inflict pain, deprivation and suffering.  Not paying staff, or providing health care for SO members, lack of sanitary berthing, etc. </p>
<p>Anna Salter talks about this cold, not understood type of person.</p>
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		By: xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-in-circles-again-2/#comment-507985</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2022 12:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-in-circles-again-2/#comment-507934&quot;&gt;Karen de la Carriere&lt;/a&gt;.

A chapter or small book on the evil of Hubbard must include all this.

There is no way this is religious in any way.

Hubbard pushed his sick mind on people caught up holding his bag of quackery.

Please tell the story.]]></description>
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<p>A chapter or small book on the evil of Hubbard must include all this.</p>
<p>There is no way this is religious in any way.</p>
<p>Hubbard pushed his sick mind on people caught up holding his bag of quackery.</p>
<p>Please tell the story.</p>
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		By: xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2022 12:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-in-circles-again-2/#comment-507801&quot;&gt;Mat Pesch&lt;/a&gt;.

Please, Mat.   

For this story alone, you need to write a book.

Hubbard&#039;s quackery &quot;tech&quot; tied with real people like Mayo, and was it Julie Gillespie Mayo his then assistant?

When I was on the RPF&#039;s and RPF, I bucked all the PAC RPF&#039;s RPF rules, and insisted on going to the library, and stumbled upon Mayo&#039;s and Julie&#039;s descriptions of their end at Int Base.

That running program incident is so important, for what Hubbard said which you just wrote.

That needs to be in a book.   All the malevolent Hubbard orders need be in a book.  

&quot;.....if you see WDC SMI spit on him for me....&quot;   was and still is revealing all time important devastating Hubbard at his core malevolent self.

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Mat, 

Were you there and did you read the Dan Auerbach/Horwich &quot;sabotage&quot; Hubbard &quot;advices?&quot;

Those need spelling out in this category of Hubbard&#039;s private final years evil orders.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-in-circles-again-2/#comment-507801">Mat Pesch</a>.</p>
<p>Please, Mat.   </p>
<p>For this story alone, you need to write a book.</p>
<p>Hubbard&#8217;s quackery &#8220;tech&#8221; tied with real people like Mayo, and was it Julie Gillespie Mayo his then assistant?</p>
<p>When I was on the RPF&#8217;s and RPF, I bucked all the PAC RPF&#8217;s RPF rules, and insisted on going to the library, and stumbled upon Mayo&#8217;s and Julie&#8217;s descriptions of their end at Int Base.</p>
<p>That running program incident is so important, for what Hubbard said which you just wrote.</p>
<p>That needs to be in a book.   All the malevolent Hubbard orders need be in a book.  </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;..if you see WDC SMI spit on him for me&#8230;.&#8221;   was and still is revealing all time important devastating Hubbard at his core malevolent self.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Mat, </p>
<p>Were you there and did you read the Dan Auerbach/Horwich &#8220;sabotage&#8221; Hubbard &#8220;advices?&#8221;</p>
<p>Those need spelling out in this category of Hubbard&#8217;s private final years evil orders.</p>
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		By: xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2022 11:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-in-circles-again-2/#comment-507817&quot;&gt;Peridot&lt;/a&gt;.

I was Sea Org staff, 75 ti;03, and the &quot;Running Program&quot; came out I think as early as 1978ish, at Flag Clearwater, we got the &quot;advices&quot; with the raw Hubbard orders.  I method 9ed with another person.  

I wanted to do it, from them to the end of my Sea Org career.   I never got to do it, but I always wanted to.  

IN my pre Scientology years, in high school, in  basketball practice, we players would do &quot;laps&quot; around our basketball gymnasium routinely, and if you do enough laps, sometimes you get the &quot;second wind&quot; effects, which is exhilarating.   You get a huge glowing buzz when you get into that &quot;second wind&quot; effect.

I mistakenly thought that was what I&#039;d get from the Running Program/Cause Resurgence Rundown.   

I thought it was going to be like getting &quot;second wind&quot; exhilaration.  

I never did do the program.  Very few people in Sea Org ever wished to do it, I was one, but only due to the exercise and potential for &quot;second wind&quot; effects, wishful thinking is why I wanted to do it.   And for the magical &quot;whole track&quot; OT process theory of it.   

In otherwords even though I&#039;d never &quot;exteriorized&quot; (never did I ever get the &quot;out of the body&quot; hallucination) I sure hoped the &quot;thetan in body&quot; same effects of doing the circling while in a body, would &quot;help&quot; in the same way that circling a star by an OT pure soul the &quot;OT therapy&quot; aspect of the Running Program, was something.

It&#039;s more like a physical trance &quot;second wind&quot; though, and wishful thinking I see in retrospect.  

Running In Circles Rundown, it&#039;s so deserving.

Scientology is quackery with mislabeling to make it sound glorious and helpful and a soul therapy that fools followers in fact they are improving as immortal souls traveling though the universe at this time and place on earth.   

Scientology sets one up in this galactic cosmic glorious soul improvement activity like nothing in all the universe&#039;s history, LOL.  

- xTeamXenu75to03quackery
chuckbeatty]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-in-circles-again-2/#comment-507817">Peridot</a>.</p>
<p>I was Sea Org staff, 75 ti;03, and the &#8220;Running Program&#8221; came out I think as early as 1978ish, at Flag Clearwater, we got the &#8220;advices&#8221; with the raw Hubbard orders.  I method 9ed with another person.  </p>
<p>I wanted to do it, from them to the end of my Sea Org career.   I never got to do it, but I always wanted to.  </p>
<p>IN my pre Scientology years, in high school, in  basketball practice, we players would do &#8220;laps&#8221; around our basketball gymnasium routinely, and if you do enough laps, sometimes you get the &#8220;second wind&#8221; effects, which is exhilarating.   You get a huge glowing buzz when you get into that &#8220;second wind&#8221; effect.</p>
<p>I mistakenly thought that was what I&#8217;d get from the Running Program/Cause Resurgence Rundown.   </p>
<p>I thought it was going to be like getting &#8220;second wind&#8221; exhilaration.  </p>
<p>I never did do the program.  Very few people in Sea Org ever wished to do it, I was one, but only due to the exercise and potential for &#8220;second wind&#8221; effects, wishful thinking is why I wanted to do it.   And for the magical &#8220;whole track&#8221; OT process theory of it.   </p>
<p>In otherwords even though I&#8217;d never &#8220;exteriorized&#8221; (never did I ever get the &#8220;out of the body&#8221; hallucination) I sure hoped the &#8220;thetan in body&#8221; same effects of doing the circling while in a body, would &#8220;help&#8221; in the same way that circling a star by an OT pure soul the &#8220;OT therapy&#8221; aspect of the Running Program, was something.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s more like a physical trance &#8220;second wind&#8221; though, and wishful thinking I see in retrospect.  </p>
<p>Running In Circles Rundown, it&#8217;s so deserving.</p>
<p>Scientology is quackery with mislabeling to make it sound glorious and helpful and a soul therapy that fools followers in fact they are improving as immortal souls traveling though the universe at this time and place on earth.   </p>
<p>Scientology sets one up in this galactic cosmic glorious soul improvement activity like nothing in all the universe&#8217;s history, LOL.  </p>
<p>&#8211; xTeamXenu75to03quackery<br />
chuckbeatty</p>
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		By: xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2022 11:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-in-circles-again-2/#comment-507934&quot;&gt;Karen de la Carriere&lt;/a&gt;.

Excellent historical predicament.   The &quot;illegal pcs&quot; is the crux of why Scientology&#039;s &quot;tech&quot; is quackery inadequate &quot;handling&quot; for people with mental conditions they need outside professional care.

Truly the crux of why Scientology is quackery, and irresponsible.

And the only right thing to do is was in the direction you chose to do, Karen.

Further, today, the right thing to do is warn people of the lack of effectiveness of the Scientology quackery and exorcism (OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 are the five long expensive exorcism steps of Scientology, all because Xenu supposedly dumped messed up souls onto earth which supposedly all Xenu&#039;s dumped souls today are infesting all humans thus causing all earth&#039;s ills).

Only people&#039;s decency as practitioners of Hubbard&#039;s menu of quackery pseudo-therapy and exorcism, helped anyone.   It wasn&#039;t the quackery.   The quackery is placebo and worse.  

Chuck Beatty
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<p>Excellent historical predicament.   The &#8220;illegal pcs&#8221; is the crux of why Scientology&#8217;s &#8220;tech&#8221; is quackery inadequate &#8220;handling&#8221; for people with mental conditions they need outside professional care.</p>
<p>Truly the crux of why Scientology is quackery, and irresponsible.</p>
<p>And the only right thing to do is was in the direction you chose to do, Karen.</p>
<p>Further, today, the right thing to do is warn people of the lack of effectiveness of the Scientology quackery and exorcism (OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 are the five long expensive exorcism steps of Scientology, all because Xenu supposedly dumped messed up souls onto earth which supposedly all Xenu&#8217;s dumped souls today are infesting all humans thus causing all earth&#8217;s ills).</p>
<p>Only people&#8217;s decency as practitioners of Hubbard&#8217;s menu of quackery pseudo-therapy and exorcism, helped anyone.   It wasn&#8217;t the quackery.   The quackery is placebo and worse.  </p>
<p>Chuck Beatty<br />
xTeamXenu75to03</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2022 09:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-in-circles-again-2/#comment-507962&quot;&gt;Cornhole Clear&lt;/a&gt;.

The LED Supertheta Lighting Arrays (LSTLAs) are hard to see in the sunlight, so it would just be paying $5000 to jog like a wog.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-in-circles-again-2/#comment-507962">Cornhole Clear</a>.</p>
<p>The LED Supertheta Lighting Arrays (LSTLAs) are hard to see in the sunlight, so it would just be paying $5000 to jog like a wog.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2022 04:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-in-circles-again-2/#comment-507947&quot;&gt;Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;.

So sorry to hear it  .  I&#039;ve seen videos of some of his talks an he looks like a extraordinary man with very high affinity etc.  He deserve what the church dished out to him.  I read he saved LRH&#039;s life.]]></description>
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<p>So sorry to hear it  .  I&#8217;ve seen videos of some of his talks an he looks like a extraordinary man with very high affinity etc.  He deserve what the church dished out to him.  I read he saved LRH&#8217;s life.</p>
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