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		By: hiatus57		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-program-hype/#comment-52677</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2014 21:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It never ceases to amaze me just how many times people keep reporting what LRH did or did not say or do.

He is not here to defend himself so is of course open to attack.

The attacks never stop of course, they keep getting published and passed off as legitimate data for debate, or people have a right to their opinion, even if it is insane and based on nothing but sick bile.

It is reported also too often by people who claim they were there and saw this sort of thing like the RP going on.

What did these fawing creeps do about torture of human beings?

Nothing of course, craven to the end some people.

I always took the stand that if something wrong or stupid was going on I chitted it or upped the gradient and went in physically to deal with a problem.

It is a fact that creatures without back bones often have the hardest shells.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It never ceases to amaze me just how many times people keep reporting what LRH did or did not say or do.</p>
<p>He is not here to defend himself so is of course open to attack.</p>
<p>The attacks never stop of course, they keep getting published and passed off as legitimate data for debate, or people have a right to their opinion, even if it is insane and based on nothing but sick bile.</p>
<p>It is reported also too often by people who claim they were there and saw this sort of thing like the RP going on.</p>
<p>What did these fawing creeps do about torture of human beings?</p>
<p>Nothing of course, craven to the end some people.</p>
<p>I always took the stand that if something wrong or stupid was going on I chitted it or upped the gradient and went in physically to deal with a problem.</p>
<p>It is a fact that creatures without back bones often have the hardest shells.</p>
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		By: Dave B.		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-program-hype/#comment-52439</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2014 04:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The pinnacle of OT rundowns? 

All this talk about energy flows. Do these people still listen to the PDC&#039;s &#038; read 8-8008 etc.? I always thought Postulates were the highest level?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pinnacle of OT rundowns? </p>
<p>All this talk about energy flows. Do these people still listen to the PDC&#8217;s &amp; read 8-8008 etc.? I always thought Postulates were the highest level?</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-program-hype/#comment-52406</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2014 00:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-program-hype/#comment-52395&quot;&gt;Peter Turner&lt;/a&gt;.

Boy, you really don&#039;t read this blog much do you.

Keep on reading and commenting though and I am sure you will catch on.

What I most object to is FALSE information. You somehow got a crazy idea that Phyll Stevens came up with this. Where that came from, I don&#039;t know. But I correct silly falsehoods when I have the time as I want this blog to have accurate information. 

You are picking a fight here about something of which you clearly know little. Perhaps if you stick around you will learn some things.

I am no Hubbard apologist, as you seem to assume. But I am also not a rabid &quot;Hubbard hater&quot; that rails on with massive generalities about how he never did anything and didnt have an original thought and stole everything etc etc. Clearly, that is an absurd and supportable position to take. Even if ONLY from the incredibly limited perspective that writing is creation. Even the same idea or concepts differently expressed is creativity. It is said there are only a handful of fundamental plots in fiction writing -- but it is the expression of them that makes one book or movie good and the other not worth the time of day. 

And BTW -- I do not in any way diss Phyll. She was a dear friend of mine. I had known her for MANY years. In fact, I am the person that gave her a new lease on life by sending her to be the Captain AOSHANZO and I personally ran her as Chief Officer CMO Int/WDC SO. That, also as historical fact, was the last new Advanced Org to be opened. And I did in spite of Miscavige.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-program-hype/#comment-52395">Peter Turner</a>.</p>
<p>Boy, you really don&#8217;t read this blog much do you.</p>
<p>Keep on reading and commenting though and I am sure you will catch on.</p>
<p>What I most object to is FALSE information. You somehow got a crazy idea that Phyll Stevens came up with this. Where that came from, I don&#8217;t know. But I correct silly falsehoods when I have the time as I want this blog to have accurate information. </p>
<p>You are picking a fight here about something of which you clearly know little. Perhaps if you stick around you will learn some things.</p>
<p>I am no Hubbard apologist, as you seem to assume. But I am also not a rabid &#8220;Hubbard hater&#8221; that rails on with massive generalities about how he never did anything and didnt have an original thought and stole everything etc etc. Clearly, that is an absurd and supportable position to take. Even if ONLY from the incredibly limited perspective that writing is creation. Even the same idea or concepts differently expressed is creativity. It is said there are only a handful of fundamental plots in fiction writing &#8212; but it is the expression of them that makes one book or movie good and the other not worth the time of day. </p>
<p>And BTW &#8212; I do not in any way diss Phyll. She was a dear friend of mine. I had known her for MANY years. In fact, I am the person that gave her a new lease on life by sending her to be the Captain AOSHANZO and I personally ran her as Chief Officer CMO Int/WDC SO. That, also as historical fact, was the last new Advanced Org to be opened. And I did in spite of Miscavige.</p>
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		By: Peter Turner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2014 23:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-program-hype/#comment-52334&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t really want to have an argument with you as it seems that you are still a believer in the Myth of LRH. Maybe you should ask Phyll about it (oops too late now &#039;cos she&#039;s dead).
My &quot;uniformed&quot; reality is that the Great LRH didn&#039;t &quot;come up&quot; with anything. Not Dianetics, not Scientology (in fact not even the name Scientology) not the e-meter or even the &quot;Hubbard e-meter&quot;, not the OT Levels or the lower levels. None of it. Other people did it all. What Mr Hubbard did was cut and paste it all into a hotchpotch of various techniques and practices and called it a religion. He then demanded total loyalty and he might have actually believed that he came up with it all himself.  
So how did Mr Hubbard do it? Well you explained it. Someone would make a discovery or think something was good idea and tell Mr Hubbard about it. If Hubbard thought it had some merit he would say &quot;try it and see what happens and then tell me.&quot; Then Mc Masters or Phyll Stevens or David Mayo or whoever came up with the idea would go away and work on it and then come back to Hubbard with the results and Mr Hubbard would write it up in an HCOB  or order a pilot program. Then Hubbard would sit back and watch and wait for the CS reports and claims that he did it al himself and that a group could never come up with truth. Like Gershwin said &quot;Nice work if you can get it.&quot;
On the other hand Mr Hubbard probably did come up with things like &quot;Shore Stories&quot; and the 4 year kid in the chain locker and the RPF and the RPF&#039;s RPF and ethics lower conditions. 
I dare say you and I will never see eye to eye on any of this (although Marty seems to be more receptive) but I really do appreciate that you allow me to express my opinion regardless.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-program-hype/#comment-52334">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really want to have an argument with you as it seems that you are still a believer in the Myth of LRH. Maybe you should ask Phyll about it (oops too late now &#8216;cos she&#8217;s dead).<br />
My &#8220;uniformed&#8221; reality is that the Great LRH didn&#8217;t &#8220;come up&#8221; with anything. Not Dianetics, not Scientology (in fact not even the name Scientology) not the e-meter or even the &#8220;Hubbard e-meter&#8221;, not the OT Levels or the lower levels. None of it. Other people did it all. What Mr Hubbard did was cut and paste it all into a hotchpotch of various techniques and practices and called it a religion. He then demanded total loyalty and he might have actually believed that he came up with it all himself.<br />
So how did Mr Hubbard do it? Well you explained it. Someone would make a discovery or think something was good idea and tell Mr Hubbard about it. If Hubbard thought it had some merit he would say &#8220;try it and see what happens and then tell me.&#8221; Then Mc Masters or Phyll Stevens or David Mayo or whoever came up with the idea would go away and work on it and then come back to Hubbard with the results and Mr Hubbard would write it up in an HCOB  or order a pilot program. Then Hubbard would sit back and watch and wait for the CS reports and claims that he did it al himself and that a group could never come up with truth. Like Gershwin said &#8220;Nice work if you can get it.&#8221;<br />
On the other hand Mr Hubbard probably did come up with things like &#8220;Shore Stories&#8221; and the 4 year kid in the chain locker and the RPF and the RPF&#8217;s RPF and ethics lower conditions.<br />
I dare say you and I will never see eye to eye on any of this (although Marty seems to be more receptive) but I really do appreciate that you allow me to express my opinion regardless.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-program-hype/#comment-52383</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2014 22:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-program-hype/#comment-52381&quot;&gt;Zephyr&lt;/a&gt;.

Not quite -- it was used as a punishment FIRST on Mayo and the others from his office and &quot;allies&quot;...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-program-hype/#comment-52381">Zephyr</a>.</p>
<p>Not quite &#8212; it was used as a punishment FIRST on Mayo and the others from his office and &#8220;allies&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		By: Zephyr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zephyr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2014 22:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-program-hype/#comment-52356&quot;&gt;KFrancis&lt;/a&gt;.

KF
You got it right re how this RD works.
Maybe an addition to why LRH brought it up when he did was that in &#039;83 a lot of the SO members at GOLD/INT were said to be screwed up casewise -supposedly by David Mayo-.
So a lot of the base members were put on the Running Pgm to simply snap out of their unresolved case
issues. That was before the RD was used as a punishment.
Greta]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-program-hype/#comment-52356">KFrancis</a>.</p>
<p>KF<br />
You got it right re how this RD works.<br />
Maybe an addition to why LRH brought it up when he did was that in &#8217;83 a lot of the SO members at GOLD/INT were said to be screwed up casewise -supposedly by David Mayo-.<br />
So a lot of the base members were put on the Running Pgm to simply snap out of their unresolved case<br />
issues. That was before the RD was used as a punishment.<br />
Greta</p>
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		By: KFrancis		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-program-hype/#comment-52361</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2014 17:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-program-hype/#comment-52360&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Mike this is just my guess but, it very likely has had to be reconstructed from memory and written up this way because apparently nobody has the original copies that LRH actual penned. 

I first read the whole track background here last Dec 6 2013 when Dan Koon went over it after your article, &quot; Scientologist Running Around in Circles&quot; came out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-program-hype/#comment-52360">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Mike this is just my guess but, it very likely has had to be reconstructed from memory and written up this way because apparently nobody has the original copies that LRH actual penned. </p>
<p>I first read the whole track background here last Dec 6 2013 when Dan Koon went over it after your article, &#8221; Scientologist Running Around in Circles&#8221; came out.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-program-hype/#comment-52360</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2014 17:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-program-hype/#comment-52356&quot;&gt;KFrancis&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks v much.

This is just an unsigned write up?

Interesting that there is nothing about this comes from the whole track, but it includes a &quot;theoretical basis of the program&quot; that I do not recall seeing before (it&#039;s been a long time, maybe some others who are more familiar can add their recollection to this being part of the original despatches or whether it is someone else&#039;s theory?)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/running-program-hype/#comment-52356">KFrancis</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks v much.</p>
<p>This is just an unsigned write up?</p>
<p>Interesting that there is nothing about this comes from the whole track, but it includes a &#8220;theoretical basis of the program&#8221; that I do not recall seeing before (it&#8217;s been a long time, maybe some others who are more familiar can add their recollection to this being part of the original despatches or whether it is someone else&#8217;s theory?)</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2014 16:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike Rinder wrote ..... &quot;I am interested in what information you have been given to do this with? Someone gave you a write up that they claimed was written by LRH? Was it an “HCOB”? A dispatch?&quot;


This is the write-up I have Mike:

&quot;The theoretical basis of the program is that the person generates energy by running around a fixed point and by doing the running while keeping one&#039;s attention on the fixed point in the middle of the running area, there is an unmoving terminal and a moving terminal and this will cause some interesting phenomena in the person.
 
The person runs in a circular area with a diameter of  about 150  feet. In the middle there must be some object, such as a tree or pole or large rock that serves as the focal point for the person. One day the person runs counterclockwise and the next day runs clockwise so as not to create any imbalances on the joints from running in the same direction all the time.
 
 The program is done on a gradient of walking, jogging and running. At first the person gets out on the track and walks around the pole while keeping attention on the pole. One doesn&#039;t have to look at the pole but must keep the attention on it. He walks until he is tired, goes off the track and rests for a while and then gets back out on the track and walks some more.
 
So, it is walk, rest, walk, rest, etc. until the body has been built up to do that. Then one jogs one lap and walks one lap until tired, rests and does this some more, continuing on this gradient until one can do it. Alternating directions each day.

A lot of sweating will occur and therefore the person sweat out minerals so it is important to take a mineral supplement while on the program. 

Good running shoes are a must.
Green leafy vegetables need to be part of the diet.
Also, a good night&#039;s sleep&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Rinder wrote &#8230;.. &#8220;I am interested in what information you have been given to do this with? Someone gave you a write up that they claimed was written by LRH? Was it an “HCOB”? A dispatch?&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the write-up I have Mike:</p>
<p>&#8220;The theoretical basis of the program is that the person generates energy by running around a fixed point and by doing the running while keeping one&#8217;s attention on the fixed point in the middle of the running area, there is an unmoving terminal and a moving terminal and this will cause some interesting phenomena in the person.</p>
<p>The person runs in a circular area with a diameter of  about 150  feet. In the middle there must be some object, such as a tree or pole or large rock that serves as the focal point for the person. One day the person runs counterclockwise and the next day runs clockwise so as not to create any imbalances on the joints from running in the same direction all the time.</p>
<p> The program is done on a gradient of walking, jogging and running. At first the person gets out on the track and walks around the pole while keeping attention on the pole. One doesn&#8217;t have to look at the pole but must keep the attention on it. He walks until he is tired, goes off the track and rests for a while and then gets back out on the track and walks some more.</p>
<p>So, it is walk, rest, walk, rest, etc. until the body has been built up to do that. Then one jogs one lap and walks one lap until tired, rests and does this some more, continuing on this gradient until one can do it. Alternating directions each day.</p>
<p>A lot of sweating will occur and therefore the person sweat out minerals so it is important to take a mineral supplement while on the program. </p>
<p>Good running shoes are a must.<br />
Green leafy vegetables need to be part of the diet.<br />
Also, a good night&#8217;s sleep&#8221;</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2014 15:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not minding all the hype and absurd statements promoting this action, it actually sounds to me like an assist, a broad spectrum assist.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not minding all the hype and absurd statements promoting this action, it actually sounds to me like an assist, a broad spectrum assist.</p>
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