LOL. He can “think” himself a new eye after he shells out $10K to take the eye-thinking class on the bridge

Good one…lol

This was priceless. When I watching the scientology network, I noticed Dave had on his wedding ring …what a hypocrite. Where the hell is Shelly?

Yep, a dilemma follows Hubbard around like a bad smell when you’re experienced with Scientology. Geezers… Scio stuff is a gradient path to “not a nice place.” Words escape me on this issue. Understanding the effect of Scientology for the long haul is indeed a study in varying shades of hypnosis, for the want of better words.

ditto
All that “bad stuff” goes away when you have fun. What’s that saying… “happiness is an occasional episode in a general sea of drama.”

That’s an interesting point you’ve brought out, PM.

The people in my org were very kind and caring to me, back in the day. They listened to me. They were patient. It seemed like they knew when to encourage me and just when to back off.

Frequently back then I was pushing them away because I didn’t believe ANYTHING could help me, not really. At that point, I’d given up and believed that I’d just be in mental and emotional pain and grief for the rest of my life. I pushed them away and horrified myself sometimes about how rude I was in doing it. Yet, they stayed with me. No small thing!

I don’t think LRH’s tech would have helped me at all if they had not been patient and kind and understanding in the delivering of it. That made all the difference.

I was very grateful to the staff for this. Lots of times I bought stuff I didn’t want or couldn’t afford, or agreed to donate when I really (really) didn’t want to, or agreed to attend some “briefing” that I really (really) didn’t want to go to, because that early experience with them had been so positive, and I never forgot it.

In my case I know the tech would have meant nothing if had not been delivered to me the way I needed it delivered. I don’t think it would have worked!

Thanks for pointing this out.

Today, I don’t think that attitude is prevalent in my org anymore, meaning, that attitude of staff “caring for the person in front of you”.which opened the door for me to accept help.

These staff, once so kind, patient and friendly, have been, I think, taken over, mentally, They’re not themselves anymore, I don’t think.

Of course, this is all very subjective on my part.

Yawn, don’t be envious of me.

By the time I got into Scientology I had NOTHING that was important to me, NOTHING of real value to me and the staff who helped at my old org knew that.

All my bad luck had already happened. The worst that could happen- to someone like me, had already happened.

A lot of death. A LOT. and one of the deaths was unintentionally my fault, or so I believed, and this was killing me, inside. Grief, loss, major guilt – I couldn’t shake any of it. A mess, I tell you.

.Had read a lot of books, tried different things that were popular back in the day. When got into Scientology I was a mess, inside.

Looked my best on the outside, couldn’t have been healthier, couldn’t have been in worse shape on the inside.

Sometimes I’d have to stay in bed and sleep all day, to escape. Didn’t matter that I had work to do. There was just no energy, that’s all. I’d sleep, sometimes for days, only getting up to eat something, go to the bathroom, etc. and then crawling back to bed, exhausted. A mess is putting it charitably.

So don’t be envious, but don’t feel sorry for me either. I’m happy again. I’m a happy person now. I have such gratitude for every day, every blessed day.

The rain falls on all of us in different ways and at different times. It was just my experience to get drenched early in life – a very long rainy season.

Look, no matter when we get drenched, we aren’t prepared for it.

Always fun talking to you, Yawn.

Aqua, I hear you, and understand that you and many others like you, forged for yourselves a very different experience of Scientology that was based on your ideals and needs, at a time and in places where it was still possible to do so.

I’m starting to think that many exes still don’t recognize the extent to which they, and others of similar good intentions and high ideals, created an experience of Scientology at missions and local orgs, that was more about what they wanted it to be, than about Hubbard’s Scientology – but still fall into the indoctrinated habit of giving too much credit to Hubbard’s “work” and the “tech.”

IY, to put it simply, I think that Hubbard was a psychopath, and so philosophies that rejected morality and ethics, denigrated sympathy and glorified the self above others, were a fit for him – as he found in Aleister Crowley’s Thelema, and later embodied in Scientology and the CofS.

I think that, looking at Hubbard’s “Affirmations” circa 1948, it can be seen pretty clearly, where he was coming from in his view of the world, and it was just along the lines I’ve described from early on. I’ve long struggled to come up with a satisfactory-seeming theory of his personality and motives, and probably never will entirely, though I think the sort of points that I’ve mention nail it down pretty well; but I’m still not certain whether he initially really was enthused thinking that Dianetics would truly help people, or was just excited because he realized he’d found a tool that served his ends and would allow him to manipulate people in his service. Certainly, before long, I think it can clearly be seen in his writing and lectures, that he knows that he is resorting to using his tools to control people, and is trying to cunningly deceive both them and outside authorities about his real aims.

What is sad and upsetting for some Aqua is that your wins and gains from Scientology were delivered by those who wished they had what you had, and were indeed promised just that by Hubbard & his organisation. Self determinism is a wonderful thing if attained and/or used with integrity. Indeed be happy with what you have, I’m envious but genuinely happy for you.