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		By: jere Lull (39 years recovering)		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[The wonder of scientology was how it got even as &quot;big&quot; as it did based on unreality, lies, and an abiding need to fleece the sheep as closely as that, and so few of us noticed how false it all was until far too late.  That LRH asserted being a science fiction author or scientist, explorer or whatever his flavor-of-the-week was is of little import, since it was a lie.  Everything he said, AFAICT, was a lie and we were tasked with figuring out how it wasn&#039;t and how to &quot;apply&quot; it to the bubble-of-unreality &quot;life&quot; he  assured us was the real world, but was just a projection of his paranoia and false perception.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The wonder of scientology was how it got even as &#8220;big&#8221; as it did based on unreality, lies, and an abiding need to fleece the sheep as closely as that, and so few of us noticed how false it all was until far too late.  That LRH asserted being a science fiction author or scientist, explorer or whatever his flavor-of-the-week was is of little import, since it was a lie.  Everything he said, AFAICT, was a lie and we were tasked with figuring out how it wasn&#8217;t and how to &#8220;apply&#8221; it to the bubble-of-unreality &#8220;life&#8221; he  assured us was the real world, but was just a projection of his paranoia and false perception.</p>
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		By: pluvo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2020 15:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologists-lies-and-the-arc-triangle/#comment-351315&quot;&gt;alex davidson&lt;/a&gt;.

To alex davidson,

I must state that for someone who comments here your underhandedness is obvious. Wow, seriously very obvious.

I feel in a way sorry that you have to use such tactics to get to Mike Rinder. I&#039;m exactly sure what that says about you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologists-lies-and-the-arc-triangle/#comment-351315">alex davidson</a>.</p>
<p>To alex davidson,</p>
<p>I must state that for someone who comments here your underhandedness is obvious. Wow, seriously very obvious.</p>
<p>I feel in a way sorry that you have to use such tactics to get to Mike Rinder. I&#8217;m exactly sure what that says about you.</p>
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		By: jere Lull (39 years recovering)		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologists-lies-and-the-arc-triangle/#comment-351364</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jere Lull (39 years recovering)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2020 15:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologists-lies-and-the-arc-triangle/#comment-238004&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

Of COURSE we all love you, FOOLproof.  You&#039;re the source of much hilarity, giving us even more reason to CELEBRATE having revolted against that revolting little cult when we finally did.
Hope you&#039;re able to enjoy a bit of summer away from the keyboard. The real world can be a wondrous place full of joy and LIFE.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologists-lies-and-the-arc-triangle/#comment-238004">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>Of COURSE we all love you, FOOLproof.  You&#8217;re the source of much hilarity, giving us even more reason to CELEBRATE having revolted against that revolting little cult when we finally did.<br />
Hope you&#8217;re able to enjoy a bit of summer away from the keyboard. The real world can be a wondrous place full of joy and LIFE.</p>
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		By: jere Lull (39 years recovering)		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologists-lies-and-the-arc-triangle/#comment-351360</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jere Lull (39 years recovering)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2020 15:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologists-lies-and-the-arc-triangle/#comment-238005&quot;&gt;georgemwhite&lt;/a&gt;.

George, I don&#039;t believe Hubbard ever understood &quot;love&quot;, only self-gratification in its many forms.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologists-lies-and-the-arc-triangle/#comment-238005">georgemwhite</a>.</p>
<p>George, I don&#8217;t believe Hubbard ever understood &#8220;love&#8221;, only self-gratification in its many forms.</p>
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		By: jere Lull (39 years recovering)		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologists-lies-and-the-arc-triangle/#comment-351357</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jere Lull (39 years recovering)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2020 14:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologists-lies-and-the-arc-triangle/#comment-351315&quot;&gt;alex davidson&lt;/a&gt;.

Alex, 
ANY time spent in that bubble of irrationality was time poorly spent and we all wish we&#039;d wised up sooner.
Still, it was what it was, and most of us have moved  on to a better life....
 Perhaps our tiny voices out here on the fringes of the InterWebZ will prevent some other unsuspecting souls from wasting their time like we did. I SURE don&#039;t miss the mistreatment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologists-lies-and-the-arc-triangle/#comment-351315">alex davidson</a>.</p>
<p>Alex,<br />
ANY time spent in that bubble of irrationality was time poorly spent and we all wish we&#8217;d wised up sooner.<br />
Still, it was what it was, and most of us have moved  on to a better life&#8230;.<br />
 Perhaps our tiny voices out here on the fringes of the InterWebZ will prevent some other unsuspecting souls from wasting their time like we did. I SURE don&#8217;t miss the mistreatment.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologists-lies-and-the-arc-triangle/#comment-351330</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2020 12:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologists-lies-and-the-arc-triangle/#comment-351315&quot;&gt;alex davidson&lt;/a&gt;.

Cheers!]]></description>
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<p>Cheers!</p>
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		By: alex davidson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2020 09:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To Mike Rinder,
I must state that for someone who after so many years as you have spent being a member of Scientology,
it took you an absurd amount of time to figure out what you claim now as being a falsehoods of the workings ,teachings and learning abilities offered by the tech . Wow seriously , a very very long time . Too long. I feel in a way sorry you didn&#039;t pick up on it much sooner. I&#039;m not exactly sure what that says about your abilities to see the world for what it is. Something to reflect on.
Cheers!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Mike Rinder,<br />
I must state that for someone who after so many years as you have spent being a member of Scientology,<br />
it took you an absurd amount of time to figure out what you claim now as being a falsehoods of the workings ,teachings and learning abilities offered by the tech . Wow seriously , a very very long time . Too long. I feel in a way sorry you didn&#8217;t pick up on it much sooner. I&#8217;m not exactly sure what that says about your abilities to see the world for what it is. Something to reflect on.<br />
Cheers!</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2018 03:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologists-lies-and-the-arc-triangle/#comment-238375&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

@ Rip - I like your vision and your ideas.  Positive energy, making delicious, nutritious,  refreshing and energizing hand-squeezed lemonade out of lemons. 

Where do I sign? :)]]></description>
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<p>@ Rip &#8211; I like your vision and your ideas.  Positive energy, making delicious, nutritious,  refreshing and energizing hand-squeezed lemonade out of lemons. </p>
<p>Where do I sign? 🙂</p>
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		By: Rip Van Winkle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rip Van Winkle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2018 00:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologists-lies-and-the-arc-triangle/#comment-238375&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

yep.

I&#039;m hoping that someday I won&#039;t have to be utr.  

I would love to have regular get-togethers, to help each other, to listen, and be a shoulder or to just share. To share and share and share and share... as long as it takes and is needed.

I&#039;d like to form groups of friends, all over... to make a big family of all the Ex&#039;s, to be united in our experiences and to have each other&#039;s backs.  (and be able to go to Howdy Com)  

...
Being part of Scn, being staff and in the group, it was SUCH a dedication, such a purpose.  I would like to channel all that goodness inwardly, for ourselves, to help each other heal and move on and then joyfully embrace all the good things and to give each other kudos and knowing smiles and such like.  Move forward with all the nice things in life and share that too.  To show and share all the things that are possible &quot;after waking up&quot;. 

.......
for now.......


we have Mike.
and Tony....

and all the good ones who come here and say sweet things and offer support.  

We have each other... but someday.... I&#039;d like to be able to do it in person with my face known.  &#060;3

(Rinder has such a great thing going with the gang, I&#039;m so glad for him.  I think we all could use that, and we DESERVE IT.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologists-lies-and-the-arc-triangle/#comment-238375">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>yep.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping that someday I won&#8217;t have to be utr.  </p>
<p>I would love to have regular get-togethers, to help each other, to listen, and be a shoulder or to just share. To share and share and share and share&#8230; as long as it takes and is needed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to form groups of friends, all over&#8230; to make a big family of all the Ex&#8217;s, to be united in our experiences and to have each other&#8217;s backs.  (and be able to go to Howdy Com)  </p>
<p>&#8230;<br />
Being part of Scn, being staff and in the group, it was SUCH a dedication, such a purpose.  I would like to channel all that goodness inwardly, for ourselves, to help each other heal and move on and then joyfully embrace all the good things and to give each other kudos and knowing smiles and such like.  Move forward with all the nice things in life and share that too.  To show and share all the things that are possible &#8220;after waking up&#8221;. </p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
for now&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>we have Mike.<br />
and Tony&#8230;.</p>
<p>and all the good ones who come here and say sweet things and offer support.  </p>
<p>We have each other&#8230; but someday&#8230;. I&#8217;d like to be able to do it in person with my face known.  &lt;3</p>
<p>(Rinder has such a great thing going with the gang, I&#039;m so glad for him.  I think we all could use that, and we DESERVE IT.)</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2018 20:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologists-lies-and-the-arc-triangle/#comment-238289&quot;&gt;Rip Van Winkle&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;...that he would leave that way.  No hat turnover?&quot;

Exactly.  Long after his death, after having done a number of Scientology admin courses including the Data SeriesI too, marveled (to myself) about this.

LRH&#039;s  dropping of his body, we were told, was  a CAUSITIVE action on his part. He PLANNED this, they said.  His death did not put him at EFFECT.  He was at CAUSE.  His body was no longer &quot;serving&quot; him in his &quot;research&quot;.

 Yet, with all this planning, NO HAT WRITE-UP?  Not even an R-Factor from him to us?   After all, wasn&#039;t he moving off of a Condition of Power?  Didn&#039;t make any sense!   It puzzled me.  I&#039;d wonder about it, from time to time

Today, I&#039;m having a hearty laugh at myself.

What a pile of horseshit :)

Well, look, when I was a little kid in Sunday School I also believed, for a while, in talking snakes, a man being turned into a pillar of salt,  a male and a female of living species in the world fitting into an ark, and other Biblical Magic.  Of course, I was  6 years old...and when I fell for that LRH Off To Target Two whopper I was over 30...hmmm...oh, well )

We have to  just laugh  and forgive ourselves, and let the past go, and celebrate the beauty of today, Rip.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologists-lies-and-the-arc-triangle/#comment-238289">Rip Van Winkle</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;that he would leave that way.  No hat turnover?&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly.  Long after his death, after having done a number of Scientology admin courses including the Data SeriesI too, marveled (to myself) about this.</p>
<p>LRH&#8217;s  dropping of his body, we were told, was  a CAUSITIVE action on his part. He PLANNED this, they said.  His death did not put him at EFFECT.  He was at CAUSE.  His body was no longer &#8220;serving&#8221; him in his &#8220;research&#8221;.</p>
<p> Yet, with all this planning, NO HAT WRITE-UP?  Not even an R-Factor from him to us?   After all, wasn&#8217;t he moving off of a Condition of Power?  Didn&#8217;t make any sense!   It puzzled me.  I&#8217;d wonder about it, from time to time</p>
<p>Today, I&#8217;m having a hearty laugh at myself.</p>
<p>What a pile of horseshit 🙂</p>
<p>Well, look, when I was a little kid in Sunday School I also believed, for a while, in talking snakes, a man being turned into a pillar of salt,  a male and a female of living species in the world fitting into an ark, and other Biblical Magic.  Of course, I was  6 years old&#8230;and when I fell for that LRH Off To Target Two whopper I was over 30&#8230;hmmm&#8230;oh, well )</p>
<p>We have to  just laugh  and forgive ourselves, and let the past go, and celebrate the beauty of today, Rip.</p>
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