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	Comments on: Scientologists: Republicans or Democrats? Pro-Choice or Pro-Life?	</title>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2022 12:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe 20% of the adult population believes all abortion should be illegal and 20% believes abortion should be available at any time for any reason. Florida has a 15 week limit on &quot;optional&quot; abortion with limitations thereafter. I suppose you could call that a compromise but you&#039;ll never please everybody.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe 20% of the adult population believes all abortion should be illegal and 20% believes abortion should be available at any time for any reason. Florida has a 15 week limit on &#8220;optional&#8221; abortion with limitations thereafter. I suppose you could call that a compromise but you&#8217;ll never please everybody.</p>
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		By: AnEx		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2022 13:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting what you pointed out about DMSMH and abortions. That is exactly how I had read it, i.e. it does not state anywhere that abortions should not be engaged in; only attempted and failed abortions are &quot;bad&quot;. However, others categorically stated that Hubbard in DMSMH was against abortions. 

Similiarly, I think Hubbard wasn&#039;t always against psychiatry. I vaguely remember an LRH Executive Directive (valid only for one year) in which he formulated a project of how to promote Dianetics to psychiatrists. 

Seems to me that this must have changed in the early 1970&#039;s.

David Mantell of the Max-Planck Institute for Psychopathology and Psychotherapy in Munich, Germany publicized a critical opinion about the therapy of Scientologists. Back on the Apollo, Hubbard blew a gasket when he heard about this, &quot;How dare they? The Nazi psychs are obviously still alive and well.&quot; A few minutes later, calmed down, he explained that everyone needs to select an opponent for his lifetime and that he had chosen psychiatrists. In other words, psychiatry was declared an enemy by Hubbard.

(The Guardian Office subsequently in 1972 published its first German &quot;Freedom&quot; newspaper to smear the Institute. It called Mantell a Nazi and alleged that the &quot;bloody crimes of psychiatry didn&#039;t end with the decline of the &#039;3rd Reich&#039;&quot;. Hermann Brendel, spokesperson of the Guardian Office (GO), stated that the successors of the nazi doctors nowadays would blame the fact that &quot;they couldn&#039;t order fresh and bloody brain tissues of children like it was done in Nazi Germany&quot;. The Max Planck Institute sued and won an injunction against that Freedom. In 1973 Kurt Weiland started as Scientology&#039;s PR in Germany - nowadays he&#039;s a subservient citizen of the Hole which does not exist.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting what you pointed out about DMSMH and abortions. That is exactly how I had read it, i.e. it does not state anywhere that abortions should not be engaged in; only attempted and failed abortions are &#8220;bad&#8221;. However, others categorically stated that Hubbard in DMSMH was against abortions. </p>
<p>Similiarly, I think Hubbard wasn&#8217;t always against psychiatry. I vaguely remember an LRH Executive Directive (valid only for one year) in which he formulated a project of how to promote Dianetics to psychiatrists. </p>
<p>Seems to me that this must have changed in the early 1970&#8217;s.</p>
<p>David Mantell of the Max-Planck Institute for Psychopathology and Psychotherapy in Munich, Germany publicized a critical opinion about the therapy of Scientologists. Back on the Apollo, Hubbard blew a gasket when he heard about this, &#8220;How dare they? The Nazi psychs are obviously still alive and well.&#8221; A few minutes later, calmed down, he explained that everyone needs to select an opponent for his lifetime and that he had chosen psychiatrists. In other words, psychiatry was declared an enemy by Hubbard.</p>
<p>(The Guardian Office subsequently in 1972 published its first German &#8220;Freedom&#8221; newspaper to smear the Institute. It called Mantell a Nazi and alleged that the &#8220;bloody crimes of psychiatry didn&#8217;t end with the decline of the &#8216;3rd Reich'&#8221;. Hermann Brendel, spokesperson of the Guardian Office (GO), stated that the successors of the nazi doctors nowadays would blame the fact that &#8220;they couldn&#8217;t order fresh and bloody brain tissues of children like it was done in Nazi Germany&#8221;. The Max Planck Institute sued and won an injunction against that Freedom. In 1973 Kurt Weiland started as Scientology&#8217;s PR in Germany &#8211; nowadays he&#8217;s a subservient citizen of the Hole which does not exist.)</p>
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		By: Outraged Citizen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Outraged Citizen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2022 09:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just read your book and I am so happy that I did. I never before learned so much about how this nasty cult operates and all the despicable things it does.

I seemed to me the people who run this cult are very muvh like the horrible monsters that ran POW camps in WW2. Some of the things they did and are still doing is just enough to make one&#039;s blood curdle.

I just cannot unnerstand why the police have shut them down and thrown the leaders in jail.

In any right - thinking society, that would have happened long ago. It just makes no sense these monsters are allowed to torture innocent victims under the guise of religious freedom. What kind of sense can that make?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read your book and I am so happy that I did. I never before learned so much about how this nasty cult operates and all the despicable things it does.</p>
<p>I seemed to me the people who run this cult are very muvh like the horrible monsters that ran POW camps in WW2. Some of the things they did and are still doing is just enough to make one&#8217;s blood curdle.</p>
<p>I just cannot unnerstand why the police have shut them down and thrown the leaders in jail.</p>
<p>In any right &#8211; thinking society, that would have happened long ago. It just makes no sense these monsters are allowed to torture innocent victims under the guise of religious freedom. What kind of sense can that make?</p>
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		By: Karl Woodrow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karl Woodrow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2022 06:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great post, Mike!  Your observations are so very spot on.
 
For many years some  republicans who are scientologists have been attributing their political beliefs to Hubbard quotes.  20 or more years ago they were doing this on the old &quot;RAZZLINE&quot; in LA.    I  pointed out to them the Scientology policy which says the Scientology is supposed to be non political.   When they ignored me and kept doing it I started referring to them as &quot;Republicologists&quot;  which eventually got me uninvited from that forum.

  Your comments about what Hubbard said about abortion show that you unlike Bryan have actually read the writings that he quotes. 
    Over the years his writings as well as his life had many contradictions. 
   For instance, despite saying that homosexuality is an aberration, he also said that any society that either condones OR  suppresses homosexuality is basically on the way out.  And despite having chastise one of his sons for being gay, he also considered the famous pianist Mario fenninger to be a personal friend And despite having chastised one of his sons for being gay, he also considered the famous pianist Mario Fenninger (who was always openly gay) to be a personal friend and awarded him free auditing at any org in the world for his whole life.
   
   The truth is the truth. Thanks for telling it like it is.
 Now I am going to go out and smoke a pack of cools so that I don&#039;t get cancer -NOT.  <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f601.png" alt="😁" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Mike!  Your observations are so very spot on.</p>
<p>For many years some  republicans who are scientologists have been attributing their political beliefs to Hubbard quotes.  20 or more years ago they were doing this on the old &#8220;RAZZLINE&#8221; in LA.    I  pointed out to them the Scientology policy which says the Scientology is supposed to be non political.   When they ignored me and kept doing it I started referring to them as &#8220;Republicologists&#8221;  which eventually got me uninvited from that forum.</p>
<p>  Your comments about what Hubbard said about abortion show that you unlike Bryan have actually read the writings that he quotes.<br />
    Over the years his writings as well as his life had many contradictions.<br />
   For instance, despite saying that homosexuality is an aberration, he also said that any society that either condones OR  suppresses homosexuality is basically on the way out.  And despite having chastise one of his sons for being gay, he also considered the famous pianist Mario fenninger to be a personal friend And despite having chastised one of his sons for being gay, he also considered the famous pianist Mario Fenninger (who was always openly gay) to be a personal friend and awarded him free auditing at any org in the world for his whole life.</p>
<p>   The truth is the truth. Thanks for telling it like it is.<br />
 Now I am going to go out and smoke a pack of cools so that I don&#8217;t get cancer -NOT.  😁</p>
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		By: Linear13		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Linear13]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2022 02:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let’s see he’s been on 24,000 radio shows!  That’s one every day for 65.75 years…if I’ve done my maths correctly.  I wonder if those are like Mappins ‘TV channel’…all on the net.  

From the synopsis the only thing ‘award winning’ that I spotted was he supposedly won an unnamed award for a review in a motor sports mag.  He was on a local cable access show that won a local ‘CableACE’ award.  The show won the award…not him.  Plus he fails to mention that the CableACE awards bit the bullet in 1997.  

He’s written what looks like yet another ‘Why I love Trvmp!’ self published book…one of the many that litter up Amazon.   

And he’s a hard core lover of all things Hubbard and Miscavige.  

So a lot of words signifying nothing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let’s see he’s been on 24,000 radio shows!  That’s one every day for 65.75 years…if I’ve done my maths correctly.  I wonder if those are like Mappins ‘TV channel’…all on the net.  </p>
<p>From the synopsis the only thing ‘award winning’ that I spotted was he supposedly won an unnamed award for a review in a motor sports mag.  He was on a local cable access show that won a local ‘CableACE’ award.  The show won the award…not him.  Plus he fails to mention that the CableACE awards bit the bullet in 1997.  </p>
<p>He’s written what looks like yet another ‘Why I love Trvmp!’ self published book…one of the many that litter up Amazon.   </p>
<p>And he’s a hard core lover of all things Hubbard and Miscavige.  </p>
<p>So a lot of words signifying nothing.</p>
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		By: Todd Cray		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Todd Cray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2022 21:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologists-republicans-or-democrats-pro-choice-or-pro-life/#comment-503820&quot;&gt;NCSP&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;he perfected a system of turning hippies into fascists.&quot; Well put! So that&#039;s where sometime scientologist Charles Manson got it from.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientologists-republicans-or-democrats-pro-choice-or-pro-life/#comment-503820">NCSP</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;he perfected a system of turning hippies into fascists.&#8221; Well put! So that&#8217;s where sometime scientologist Charles Manson got it from.</p>
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		By: WWW : Wisdom of the Wog World		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WWW : Wisdom of the Wog World]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2022 21:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A fiction writer writes fictitious things, so it&#039;s not how much  truth in it, rather how much appealing to readers  

For example now Quantum physics ( a.k.a theoretical physics) about time travel , teleportation, black hole etc etc etc  is popular amongst science fiction readers.
Two decades back it was Alien invasion. 

You may find, fiction as alternative thinking of that era , no more no less.

That&#039;s why Cults ,which are also part of fiction , representing conspiracy theories of that era , expires in next 50 years as it cannot survive of redundant conspiracy theories.

Now we have crypto currency Cults , dark web Cults, and ....Harry Porter inspired Cults.  Its all about business, mental slavery , Stockholm syndrome and &#039; bring us the money&quot; 

That&#039;s why,   Do not lose your breath in eternity,  go to mid west , start  poultry and dairy farming......Harry Porter as new tech.

Otherwise,  2025 ,Age of Extinction,  is not so far away . It&#039;s not me ,it&#039;s written on the wall.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fiction writer writes fictitious things, so it&#8217;s not how much  truth in it, rather how much appealing to readers  </p>
<p>For example now Quantum physics ( a.k.a theoretical physics) about time travel , teleportation, black hole etc etc etc  is popular amongst science fiction readers.<br />
Two decades back it was Alien invasion. </p>
<p>You may find, fiction as alternative thinking of that era , no more no less.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why Cults ,which are also part of fiction , representing conspiracy theories of that era , expires in next 50 years as it cannot survive of redundant conspiracy theories.</p>
<p>Now we have crypto currency Cults , dark web Cults, and &#8230;.Harry Porter inspired Cults.  Its all about business, mental slavery , Stockholm syndrome and &#8216; bring us the money&#8221; </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why,   Do not lose your breath in eternity,  go to mid west , start  poultry and dairy farming&#8230;&#8230;Harry Porter as new tech.</p>
<p>Otherwise,  2025 ,Age of Extinction,  is not so far away . It&#8217;s not me ,it&#8217;s written on the wall.</p>
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		By: GL		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2022 20:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[He&#039;s a RWNJ and, it appears, a big fan of Trumpty Dumpty.

This the only Amazon listing I can find so far about his &quot;book&quot;.

https://www.amazon.in/Plan-America-World-discussions-solutions-ebook/dp/B095HBSV45/ref=sr_1_1?qid=1668368695&#038;refinements=p_27%3ABrian+Gardner&#038;s=books&#038;sr=1-1

Then have a look at this. There must be all of, maybe, four people listening to him at a Las Vegas Writers and their Books&#039; Book Signing Event at City Lights Gallery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AMYCiEug6w

Of course trying to find out what awards he&#039;s supposedly won has turned up a great big nothing. Yet another $camologist who is a complete non-entity outside the collapsing bubble.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s a RWNJ and, it appears, a big fan of Trumpty Dumpty.</p>
<p>This the only Amazon listing I can find so far about his &#8220;book&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.in/Plan-America-World-discussions-solutions-ebook/dp/B095HBSV45/ref=sr_1_1?qid=1668368695&#038;refinements=p_27%3ABrian+Gardner&#038;s=books&#038;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.amazon.in/Plan-America-World-discussions-solutions-ebook/dp/B095HBSV45/ref=sr_1_1?qid=1668368695&#038;refinements=p_27%3ABrian+Gardner&#038;s=books&#038;sr=1-1</a></p>
<p>Then have a look at this. There must be all of, maybe, four people listening to him at a Las Vegas Writers and their Books&#8217; Book Signing Event at City Lights Gallery</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AMYCiEug6w" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AMYCiEug6w</a></p>
<p>Of course trying to find out what awards he&#8217;s supposedly won has turned up a great big nothing. Yet another $camologist who is a complete non-entity outside the collapsing bubble.</p>
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		By: Angry Gay Pope		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Angry Gay Pope]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2022 19:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In LA during Hillary vs. Trump the only real areas that were not blue or white (neutral) but were pink were: THE FLATS OF BEVERLY HILLS AND PAC BASE AREA.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In LA during Hillary vs. Trump the only real areas that were not blue or white (neutral) but were pink were: THE FLATS OF BEVERLY HILLS AND PAC BASE AREA.</p>
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		By: NCSP		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NCSP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2022 15:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hubbard himself referred, in a letter to the Prime Minister of South Africa, to “our loyalty to the Rightist cause.” I’ve often thought that, with the Sea Org especially, he perfected a system of turning hippies into fascists.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hubbard himself referred, in a letter to the Prime Minister of South Africa, to “our loyalty to the Rightist cause.” I’ve often thought that, with the Sea Org especially, he perfected a system of turning hippies into fascists.</p>
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