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		By: Karakorum		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-children-the-pr-spin/#comment-277990</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karakorum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2019 07:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-children-the-pr-spin/#comment-277864&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s fine, I&#039;m glad that you replied to my, admittedly confrontational, first message.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-children-the-pr-spin/#comment-277864">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s fine, I&#8217;m glad that you replied to my, admittedly confrontational, first message.</p>
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		By: Karakorum		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karakorum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2019 07:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-children-the-pr-spin/#comment-277907&quot;&gt;Balletlady&lt;/a&gt;.

Sex abuse, including sex abuse of chilkdren does not only go on in religious institutions, but across society. There were pederast boyscout leaders, coaches, doctors etc.

Its not always possible to identify and weed out this people - especially if they still have a clean record with the police, So the problem is not taht some pedophiles got into scientology - that can happen to any group.

The problem is HOW DOES COS REACT once they find out what is going on. Most NORMAL institutions like hospitals or the boyscouts just contact the police. COS actively tries to cover these cases up, mostly gives the offenbder a slap on the writs and in some cases punishes the victim in a much harsher way than they punish the offender.

I was truly baffled to find out about this when I got out. At my post I was made aware of many improper sexual relations between adults, But I never imagined thhis would be happening to children. 

I guess at the time my belief was: &quot;Oh there&#039;s so many checks on sex issues, sex is so thoroughly policed that scn would find out at once and put a stop to any such stuff.&quot;

The worst part is: turned out that many times scn DID find out about this through sec-checks and then did nothing about it. Boggles my mind. 

Co$ is not only eveil, but also stupid and self-defeating.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-children-the-pr-spin/#comment-277907">Balletlady</a>.</p>
<p>Sex abuse, including sex abuse of chilkdren does not only go on in religious institutions, but across society. There were pederast boyscout leaders, coaches, doctors etc.</p>
<p>Its not always possible to identify and weed out this people &#8211; especially if they still have a clean record with the police, So the problem is not taht some pedophiles got into scientology &#8211; that can happen to any group.</p>
<p>The problem is HOW DOES COS REACT once they find out what is going on. Most NORMAL institutions like hospitals or the boyscouts just contact the police. COS actively tries to cover these cases up, mostly gives the offenbder a slap on the writs and in some cases punishes the victim in a much harsher way than they punish the offender.</p>
<p>I was truly baffled to find out about this when I got out. At my post I was made aware of many improper sexual relations between adults, But I never imagined thhis would be happening to children. </p>
<p>I guess at the time my belief was: &#8220;Oh there&#8217;s so many checks on sex issues, sex is so thoroughly policed that scn would find out at once and put a stop to any such stuff.&#8221;</p>
<p>The worst part is: turned out that many times scn DID find out about this through sec-checks and then did nothing about it. Boggles my mind. </p>
<p>Co$ is not only eveil, but also stupid and self-defeating.</p>
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		By: Skyler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skyler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2019 20:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-children-the-pr-spin/#comment-277854&quot;&gt;Karakorum&lt;/a&gt;.

When given the choice between Mike Rinder remaining in the scam and helping the monster versus escaping the scam and helping the world to take it down, it is far better to have him out and helping to take it down.

It seems clear to me that Mike was always the most competent and capable servant of the scam and when he finally shook off the fog of mind control and escaped, it was a red letter day for the rest of us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-children-the-pr-spin/#comment-277854">Karakorum</a>.</p>
<p>When given the choice between Mike Rinder remaining in the scam and helping the monster versus escaping the scam and helping the world to take it down, it is far better to have him out and helping to take it down.</p>
<p>It seems clear to me that Mike was always the most competent and capable servant of the scam and when he finally shook off the fog of mind control and escaped, it was a red letter day for the rest of us.</p>
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		By: Balletlady		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Balletlady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-children-the-pr-spin/#comment-277854&quot;&gt;Karakorum&lt;/a&gt;.

It took decades for the Catholic Church to be brought to justice.  Many of the perpetrators are dead, their victims living with the memory of what was done to them.  Their answer back then was to move the &quot;offending Priest&quot; to another Parish, which gave that Priest more Victims to abuse.

There should be NO Statute of Limitations of Child Sexual Abuse....one can sue in civil court but who knows how that will go.  Some of those offending Priests have died, some are very old &#038; sick.....the Catholic Church has made financial settlements to weep things under the rug. There were those that were given &quot;free Catholic College Educations for their silence.

Sex abuse goes on in ALL religions...they&#039;ve only touched lightly  the tip of the iceberg.

With the harassment that goes on with the realm of COS may fear retaliation on the outside, and for those family &#038; friends who are still IN. 

Think about the FLDS &#038; how Warren Jeffs is sitting n a prison cell for his part in raping &#038; sexually abusing children...B UT HE IS STILL RUNNING THE SHOW...through telephone calls from prison....some justice, huh?

P.S.  CAN THE EDITING FEATURE BE FIXED PLEASE?  Also my comments disappear from view &#038; then reappear after moderation,

 Oh Grand Poobah of WEB MASTERY.....please help!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-children-the-pr-spin/#comment-277854">Karakorum</a>.</p>
<p>It took decades for the Catholic Church to be brought to justice.  Many of the perpetrators are dead, their victims living with the memory of what was done to them.  Their answer back then was to move the &#8220;offending Priest&#8221; to another Parish, which gave that Priest more Victims to abuse.</p>
<p>There should be NO Statute of Limitations of Child Sexual Abuse&#8230;.one can sue in civil court but who knows how that will go.  Some of those offending Priests have died, some are very old &amp; sick&#8230;..the Catholic Church has made financial settlements to weep things under the rug. There were those that were given &#8220;free Catholic College Educations for their silence.</p>
<p>Sex abuse goes on in ALL religions&#8230;they&#8217;ve only touched lightly  the tip of the iceberg.</p>
<p>With the harassment that goes on with the realm of COS may fear retaliation on the outside, and for those family &amp; friends who are still IN. </p>
<p>Think about the FLDS &amp; how Warren Jeffs is sitting n a prison cell for his part in raping &amp; sexually abusing children&#8230;B UT HE IS STILL RUNNING THE SHOW&#8230;through telephone calls from prison&#8230;.some justice, huh?</p>
<p>P.S.  CAN THE EDITING FEATURE BE FIXED PLEASE?  Also my comments disappear from view &amp; then reappear after moderation,</p>
<p> Oh Grand Poobah of WEB MASTERY&#8230;..please help!</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-children-the-pr-spin/#comment-277864</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2019 15:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-children-the-pr-spin/#comment-277854&quot;&gt;Karakorum&lt;/a&gt;.

Don’t have the time to try and explain this here. It’s been covered extensively in Tampa Bay Times, by Tony Ortega snd on the Aftermath. Look it up and you will find a lot of information readily available.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-children-the-pr-spin/#comment-277854">Karakorum</a>.</p>
<p>Don’t have the time to try and explain this here. It’s been covered extensively in Tampa Bay Times, by Tony Ortega snd on the Aftermath. Look it up and you will find a lot of information readily available.</p>
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		By: Karakorum		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karakorum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2019 13:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-children-the-pr-spin/#comment-277836&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

I thus understand you have provided all the testi9mony about the coverups and internal child abuse scandals to the authorities. Seeing as you were the prime witness and in charge of OSA at the time of some of this, I cannot imagine why the FBI would not treat this seriously. 

What do you believe are the main issues preventing them from taking action and looking into serious crimes such as rape or child abuse that have taken place? 
Are the actual victims required to take stand up and testify before any action is taken? 

Are we dealing here with the probelm of scientology being a religion? Is this why no action was taken? I imagine if a secular person (ie: a former coach at a high school) would come to the FBI and say he was part of a coverup of child sexual abuse, there would at least be an investigation launched to see if there is anything behind the allegation.

Given the severity of some of the crimes, It does boggle my mind why the authiorities have failed to act if you provided them with all the information you had as ED.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-children-the-pr-spin/#comment-277836">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>I thus understand you have provided all the testi9mony about the coverups and internal child abuse scandals to the authorities. Seeing as you were the prime witness and in charge of OSA at the time of some of this, I cannot imagine why the FBI would not treat this seriously. </p>
<p>What do you believe are the main issues preventing them from taking action and looking into serious crimes such as rape or child abuse that have taken place?<br />
Are the actual victims required to take stand up and testify before any action is taken? </p>
<p>Are we dealing here with the probelm of scientology being a religion? Is this why no action was taken? I imagine if a secular person (ie: a former coach at a high school) would come to the FBI and say he was part of a coverup of child sexual abuse, there would at least be an investigation launched to see if there is anything behind the allegation.</p>
<p>Given the severity of some of the crimes, It does boggle my mind why the authiorities have failed to act if you provided them with all the information you had as ED.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2019 13:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-children-the-pr-spin/#comment-277822&quot;&gt;Karakorum&lt;/a&gt;.

I have been to the FBI and numerous other law enforcement agencies. I continue to try to get them to act. I have never asked for immunity. I have simply told the truth without reservation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-children-the-pr-spin/#comment-277822">Karakorum</a>.</p>
<p>I have been to the FBI and numerous other law enforcement agencies. I continue to try to get them to act. I have never asked for immunity. I have simply told the truth without reservation.</p>
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		By: Karakorum		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karakorum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2019 11:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-children-the-pr-spin/#comment-277749&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

First of all: You have my sincere thanks for the reply, I wans&#039;t sure if that post of mine would even pass moderation. I will be less cynical from now on:


Is there anything you feel you could do when it comes to cooperation with the police (or maybe the FBI) when it comes to crimes that are not past their period of limitation? 

Because if there were tangible coverup efforts with regards to cases of sex abuse or rape, then I imagine you would now be the key witness in any subsequent court cases. Have you considered doing something in this direction in exchange for immunity etc?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-children-the-pr-spin/#comment-277749">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>First of all: You have my sincere thanks for the reply, I wans&#8217;t sure if that post of mine would even pass moderation. I will be less cynical from now on:</p>
<p>Is there anything you feel you could do when it comes to cooperation with the police (or maybe the FBI) when it comes to crimes that are not past their period of limitation? </p>
<p>Because if there were tangible coverup efforts with regards to cases of sex abuse or rape, then I imagine you would now be the key witness in any subsequent court cases. Have you considered doing something in this direction in exchange for immunity etc?</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2019 00:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-children-the-pr-spin/#comment-277740&quot;&gt;Karakorum&lt;/a&gt;.

Nope. Covered up numerous incidents up ensure there was no flap. It was my job to do that and like all good Scientologist I did it as best I could.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-children-the-pr-spin/#comment-277740">Karakorum</a>.</p>
<p>Nope. Covered up numerous incidents up ensure there was no flap. It was my job to do that and like all good Scientologist I did it as best I could.</p>
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		By: Karakorum		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karakorum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2019 23:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gee Mike, its a bit odd hearing it from you of all people (an ED during my whole life there). Now that you are out, you can safely throw a &quot;they&quot; at the whole situation. 

I&#039;m curious if there are perhaps aby cases  of child abuse cases that &quot;you&quot; handled during your time in OAS as ED. Would you be willing to tell us about it?

Tell us how you bravely faced such difficult issues and cooperated with the police to make sure justice was being served. 

I guess it always happens on &quot;somebody else&#039;s watch&quot;, eh?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee Mike, its a bit odd hearing it from you of all people (an ED during my whole life there). Now that you are out, you can safely throw a &#8220;they&#8221; at the whole situation. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious if there are perhaps aby cases  of child abuse cases that &#8220;you&#8221; handled during your time in OAS as ED. Would you be willing to tell us about it?</p>
<p>Tell us how you bravely faced such difficult issues and cooperated with the police to make sure justice was being served. </p>
<p>I guess it always happens on &#8220;somebody else&#8217;s watch&#8221;, eh?</p>
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