Mike, sorry that is hard to believe.
First of all, I don`t think there is something that should be compared to Hitler and the Nazis. Maybe ISIS.
During the amateurish investigations of the suicide/homicide cases in CW, at any time Sarah Heller and Peter Mansell for the last years where involved. Also it is for sure and proved that many of the CW police are working off duty on paycheck for the church. Detective Steven Bowling, who was in charge of the case of Kyle Brennan that was maybe the most annoying and amateurish done police investigation on a death case I ever heard about, was working off duty for the cos. None of the police officers I spoke to in 7 years of visiting CW would say something about what they know openly because they live there and do not want to have problems.
Do you think that is the way a jurisdiction unit should work?
As for your excuse that you all don`t know nothing about it: I also doubt that. First of all, if something like that is happening at FLAG OSA gets informed as the weekly OSA report says and we all know. Its in the police documents that remedially they call OSA legal.
Now what will OSA do?
You know it. They will inform the FLAG leading structure and of course the headquarter.
So that least that is easy to see and to prove. Former police officer Ray Emmonds who died recently told me that if a Scientologist was found dead from a foreign country at CW, its body would be sticked in a plastic bag and being shipped back to its country. No real investigation took place.

Klaus Buechele who was your Deputy told me personally ( among two witnesses in a restaurant Hubbard used to visit near CW ) the same.

As for the FBI. I visited the FBI at Clearwater in 2014 and gave them documents and many information about the Biggi Reichert Case, about two other cases. None of them meant anything to them. They didn’t even know. They told me what they would have done, if the info I gave to them would have been given to them by either the CW police or the German Police ( reg. Biggi) at the time of the event.
As for the Brennan Case, the Zarkhin Case and the Michael Damme Case, all documents and interviews with people involved also proved, that the police did a lousy investigation just to get the folder closed.

The Brennan case would go even so far, that it whitewashed Denise Miscavige and her fellows from annything they had to do with it.
So in other words: If your son one day would be found dead at flag Mike, trust me you will not get any justice and you will also don`t see any proper investigation at all.
And that is happening on US soil.

Notwithstanding – here we are 50+ years later and absolutely none of the ‘promised results’ have taken place; in fact pretty much the ‘opposite has’ – no? Has anyone in or out of Scientology ever met ‘anyone who has reached the shilled ‘state of total enlightenment – or whatever’ ? It’s all a pile of horrific,beyond brutal control and deliberate brainwashing of people who with the best of intentions were persuaded to believe that a goofball lunatic like Hubbard had the answer to who or what creation etc… is. I repeat – anyone who for one second does any kind of harm to another claiming it’s for ‘the cause’ is full of shit. Period. I look forward to that Miscavage creep being held fully and publicly accountable for his crimes.

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There’s no denying the toxicity of NOI doctrines and beliefs but I’d like to hope that not all NOI and all current scientologists are radical fundamentalists. Maybe that’s too much to hope for.

For example, the second guest on the episode apparently still believes in NOI but abhors the infiltration of scientology into the NOI structure and doctrine. I wonder if he was looking at Mike and Leah as inferior or if he has some kind of thinking like “The black race is the mother of all other races.” (whether that’s true or not). If that’s the extent of his prejudice or bigotry then so what.

I can only speak of my own scientology experience of yesteryear. I thought that everyone should eventually become a scientologist but I didn’t have a steely glare.

Scientology creeping into NOI is certainly an interesting if slow moving development. Maybe I’ll be around long enough to make comments about “The First United Church of NOI and Scientology”.

LRH and DM portraited on toilet paper turn green into their true colour of nazi brown.

Nowadays the argument doesn’t even have to go on very long at all before Hitler is invoked. A mere disagreement is all that’s necessary. (I call that “Miss Q’s Corollary.” ?)

In one way, you are so right. The Scam is very strange. But in another way, it is also dead simple.
Just consider a drug addict who is addicted to the most powerful narcotic drug in the world. Then, instead of that drug, substitute “money”. IMHO, The Scam is easily understood by thinking of it in those terms.

Thanks Pat,

It’s that age and memory problem, I think….